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15:26:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:26:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 34 minutes
15:26:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:26:40 <trackbot> Date: 25 November 2014
15:26:47 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:26:47 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:28:18 <Joshue> agenda+ Response to LC-2972:
15:28:18 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972
15:28:31 <Joshue> agenda+ Quickref redesign: Status update and discussion with EO
15:28:36 <Joshue> agenda+  Overview of outstanding comments with open issues. Further actions to be decided on the call.
15:28:36 <Joshue>     https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
15:28:42 <Joshue> agenda+ Survey analysis progress/discussion
15:55:28 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started
15:55:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:55:36 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:55:36 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:56:55 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
15:59:10 <Joshue> regrets+ Mike Elledge, Bruce Bailey, James Nurthen, Alistair Garrison
16:00:06 <Kathy> Kathy has joined #wai-wcag
16:00:59 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
16:01:26 <yatil> zakim, call EricE-Skype
16:01:26 <Zakim> ok, yatil; the call is being made
16:01:28 <Zakim> +EricE
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16:02:13 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:02:14 <yatil> zakim, nick yatil is EricE
16:02:14 <Zakim> ok, yatil, I now associate you with EricE
16:02:18 <yatil> zakim, mute me
16:02:18 <Zakim> EricE should now be muted
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16:03:16 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:03:27 <Zakim> +??P21
16:03:27 <Zakim> + +1.302.282.aaaa
16:03:41 <Zakim> +jon_avila
16:03:49 <Kenny> zakim,call kenny-mobile
16:03:49 <Zakim> ok, Kenny; the call is being made
16:03:50 <Zakim> +Kenny
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16:03:58 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:03:58 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
16:04:33 <Kenny> zakim,mute me
16:04:33 <Zakim> Kenny should now be muted
16:04:48 <Zakim> +cstrobbe
16:05:07 <David> David has joined #wai-wcag
16:05:11 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014OctDec/0116.html
16:05:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
16:06:19 <marcjohlic> scribe:  marcjohlic
16:07:05 <Joshue> zakim, next item
16:07:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Response to LC-2972:" taken up [from Joshue]
16:07:47 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/25thNov2014/results
16:08:00 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Updated response to LC-2972 (Timing and time limits)
16:08:42 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended
16:08:50 <Joshue> zakim, next item
16:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Quickref redesign: Status update and discussion with EO" taken up [from Joshue]
16:09:25 <yatil> ack me
16:09:28 <marcjohlic> JOC:  What does EO need from us - and where are we at
16:09:36 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
16:09:36 <Zakim> cstrobbe should now be muted
16:09:43 <marcjohlic> EE:  Review of project - what it's about
16:10:09 <marcjohlic> EE:  Part of WAI-DEV project
16:10:15 <Joshue> q?
16:10:18 <marcjohlic> EE:  Make it easier for people to find their way through WCAG
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16:10:46 <marcjohlic> EE:  Consider audiences - developers, evaluators, and others
16:11:16 <marcjohlic> EE:  Date is 2015 and expect to have something ready by December 2015
16:11:27 <yatil> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Resource_Redesign/Quickref/Analysis
16:11:35 <marcjohlic> EE;  Project runs through April 2016
16:11:56 <Zakim> + +1.617.480.aabb
16:11:57 <marcjohlic> EE:  TPAC went through wiki page and talked about what we want the final result to look like
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16:12:25 <marcjohlic> EE:  Still in the early stages - all feedback is welcomed
16:12:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:12:59 <marcjohlic> EE:  Project is titled "Quickref redesign" - however we don't have to redesign the Quickref if we feel it is good the way it is now.
16:13:04 <Loretta> zakim, IPCaller is Loretta
16:13:04 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:13:09 <marcjohlic> EE:  We are not bound to the title
16:13:50 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Prime focus is to work on the Quickref and a refresh for that.  At this stage input to Eric and what you want to do with it
16:13:58 <cstrobbe> Eric, do you have any plans to test with developers what kind of UI works will with them (since caniuse is listed as an example in the wiki).
16:14:03 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Any comments suggestions from the Working Group?
16:14:07 <Joshue> q?
16:14:19 <cstrobbe> q+
16:14:23 <marcjohlic> DM:  Looks like the section on newbies was crossed out - was that due to research or?
16:14:28 <cstrobbe> zakim, unmute me
16:14:28 <Zakim> cstrobbe should no longer be muted
16:14:34 <marcjohlic> DM:  Sometimes people just want the basics
16:15:12 <marcjohlic> EE:  There may be a link there that points to an Introduction to A11y - and keep the QR to just WCAG
16:15:21 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Who do you see as the target audience
16:16:02 <marcjohlic> EE:  Web Authors, Web Developers, Evaluators - and they can customize the experience to their liking so that they can get to the information they want/need quickly.
16:17:58 <marcjohlic> JOC:  We can take a few mins on the call to look through it and give some quick feedback on the call
16:18:08 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Then survey the group for more details next week
16:18:11 <marcjohlic> EE:  Sounds good
16:18:20 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Resource_Redesign/Quickref/Analysis
16:18:55 <marcjohlic> q?
16:19:05 <Joshue> ack cst
16:19:38 <marcjohlic> CS:  Are you asking real world web developers etc what they would think would be helpful?
16:20:13 <marcjohlic> EE:  Yes - I am also a Web Developer so I have a good grasp of what they need - but am also checking in with other Web Developers and have surveyed
16:20:42 <marcjohlic> EE:  Now it's mainly about what does the Group think should be done with the document - what they like or don't like - give a general direction
16:20:58 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
16:20:58 <Zakim> cstrobbe should now be muted
16:21:53 <marcjohlic> JOC:  How do you see "pointers to information" happening?  What would those pointers be?
16:22:37 <marcjohlic> EE:  One way is having links to WCAG - can make it open so that we can pull in other resources easily or do it based on what we already have in the QR
16:22:46 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/
16:22:58 <marcjohlic> EE:  Basically is to have people be able to see all information they need
16:24:23 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Do you see this functionality being added to what QR already does - or will you be changing QR completely
16:24:38 <Joshue> q?
16:24:53 <marcjohlic> EE:  It depends on responses - could see changing QR completely or having more than one mode - one that filters and one that is search based etc
16:25:16 <marcjohlic> <members reading wiki>
16:25:44 <marcjohlic> DM:  What spurred on the creation of the committed to fix the QR - was there a sense that folks couldn't find the information?
16:26:32 <marcjohlic> EE:  I wasn't involved in that, but what i've heard is that some folks found the QR overwhelming with so many choices at the top and all of the intro text.
16:26:52 <marcjohlic> EE:  Could the cognitive load be cleaned up to make it easier for folks
16:26:55 <Joshue> q?
16:28:33 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:29:00 <MichaelC> ack me
16:29:34 <Joshue> q?
16:30:03 <marcjohlic> MC:  I thought we had a discussion that this would be a WCAG led initiative with help from EO  so we need to have that discussion
16:30:30 <marcjohlic> JOC:  We need to help Erich with this document - this is basically the Requirements doc at this point
16:30:42 <marcjohlic> DM: Is this part of the survey we did?
16:30:43 <yatil> s/Erich/Eric/
16:31:02 <marcjohlic> JOC:  This is independent of that survey - just happened at the same time
16:34:03 <marcjohlic> DM:  Are there Designers (real world Designers) actually working on this - or is it primarily just a11y folks?
16:34:49 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Eric is our guru on this - and working fulltime on this over the next few months.
16:35:03 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Need to get a clear focus on what we want to do
16:35:30 <marcjohlic> EE:  We have a lot of skills in EO on Usability Testing
16:35:57 <Joshue> q?
16:36:48 <MichaelC> ack me
16:38:28 <marcjohlic> EE:  Would be useful to have a solid requirements by the end of the year
16:39:01 <marcjohlic> MC:  Can we strengthen that statement?  Develop a timeline and milestones for the rest of the project?
16:39:15 <marcjohlic> EE:  Yes - we WILL have requirements by the EOY (2014)
16:39:21 <marcjohlic> MC:  And a document that says that?
16:39:25 <marcjohlic> EE:  Yes
16:40:36 <Joshue> zakim, next item
16:40:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Overview of outstanding comments with open issues. Further actions to be decided on the call." taken up [from Joshue]
16:40:41 <yatil> zakim, mute me
16:40:41 <Zakim> EricE should now be muted
16:41:18 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses#Current_comments_with_open_issues
16:41:29 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2877
16:41:34 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2877
16:41:51 <marcjohlic> JOC:  These may need new owers
16:42:03 <marcjohlic> JOC:  2877
16:42:14 <MichaelC> ack me
16:42:22 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Anyone want to have a look into 2877
16:42:56 <marcjohlic> MC:  Looks like Andrew has assigned it to himself
16:43:21 <marcjohlic> MC:  May have been Tim's initially, but now assigned to AWK
16:44:55 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140724/SCR2.html
16:45:06 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140724/SCR20.html
16:45:43 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Do we need to merge these two?
16:46:55 <Joshue> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/42
16:49:52 <marcjohlic> Action: David to look at LC2952
16:49:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-301 - Look at lc2952 [on David MacDonald - due 2014-12-02].
16:50:14 <Joshue> ACTION-301: Related URI https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/42
16:50:14 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-301 Look at lc2952.
16:50:29 <Joshue> ACTION-301: Related URI http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140724/SCR20.html
16:50:29 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-301 Look at lc2952.
16:50:39 <Joshue> ACTION-301: Related URI http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140724/SCR2.html
16:50:39 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-301 Look at lc2952.
16:55:48 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2871
16:56:06 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H33.html
16:57:54 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/2014/07/22-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item03
17:00:45 <Joshue> ACTION: Josh to complete loop on 2871
17:00:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - Complete loop on 2871 [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-12-02].
17:00:59 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2905
17:01:11 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/2904
17:01:14 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Looks to be a dupe of 2904
17:01:20 <Joshue> https://github.com/joshueoconnor/wcag/commit/be897990e3a712f6968e2eaf34412d3c99d5dd7c
17:03:49 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
17:03:49 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
17:03:50 <Zakim> 3. Overview of outstanding comments with open issues. Further actions to be decided on the call. [from Joshue]
17:03:50 <Zakim> 4. Survey analysis progress/discussion [from Joshue]
17:04:12 <Joshue> zakim, next item
17:04:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Survey analysis progress/discussion" taken up [from Joshue]
17:05:15 <marcjohlic> JOC:  If you were emailed a survey assignment from AWK, please start looking through them
17:05:37 <marcjohlic> MK:  Deadline was not clear on assignment
17:05:48 <marcjohlic> MC:  May have just been a typo
17:05:53 <Joshue> regets+ Brent
17:06:02 <marcjohlic> MC:  Pretty sure we wanted the reviews done w/i a week or two - so the sooner the better
17:06:19 <marcjohlic> JOC:  We will try to take it up next week
17:07:13 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
17:07:18 <Zakim> -Loretta
17:07:45 <Zakim> -EricE
17:07:50 <Zakim> -jon_avila
17:07:51 <Zakim> -Joshue
17:07:51 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:07:52 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
17:07:53 <Kenny> zakim, drop me
17:07:53 <Zakim> Kenny is being disconnected
17:07:55 <Zakim> -Kenny
17:07:57 <Zakim> -cstrobbe
17:08:02 <Zakim> - +1.617.480.aabb
17:08:02 <marcjohlic> trackbot, end meeting
17:08:02 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:08:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, Kathy_Wahlbin, EricE, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, +1.302.282.aaaa, Michael_Cooper, jon_avila, Kenny, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
17:08:03 <Zakim> ... cstrobbe, +1.617.480.aabb, Loretta
17:08:09 <cstrobbe> 下次聊
17:08:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:08:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
17:08:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:08:11 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
17:08:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to look at LC2952 [1]
17:08:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-wai-wcag-irc#T16-49-52
17:08:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Josh to complete loop on 2871 [2]
17:08:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-wai-wcag-irc#T17-00-45