14:01:21 RRSAgent has joined #tvapi 14:01:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-irc 14:01:58 Meeting: TV API Community Group 14:02:03 aldafu has joined #tvapi 14:02:04 Chair: Bin Hu 14:02:20 kaz has joined #tvapi 14:02:22 Scribe: Chris 14:02:29 Zakim has joined #tvapi 14:02:32 zakim, code? 14:02:32 sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is 14:02:37 zakim, this will be tv 14:02:38 ok, kaz, I see WEBT_TVAPICG()9:00AM already started 14:02:44 zakim, call kazuyuki-617 14:02:44 ok, kaz; the call is being made 14:02:45 +Kazuyuki 14:02:54 tidoust has joined #tvapi 14:03:08 zakim, who is here? 14:03:08 On the phone I see +1.650.946.aaaa, +44.303.040.aabb, Paul_Higgs, +49.303.aacc, Kazuyuki 14:03:10 On IRC I see tidoust, Zakim, kaz, aldafu, RRSAgent, skim13, Bin_Hu, Paul_Higgs, cpn, trackbot 14:03:15 +[IPcaller] 14:03:29 zakim, aacc is me 14:03:30 +aldafu; got it 14:03:36 zakim, aabb is me 14:03:36 +cpn; got it 14:03:37 rrsagent, make log public 14:03:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:03:46 +??P9 14:03:49 zakim, ??P9 is me 14:03:49 +tidoust; got it 14:03:57 zakim, who is here? 14:03:57 On the phone I see +1.650.946.aaaa, cpn, Paul_Higgs, aldafu, Kazuyuki, [IPcaller], tidoust 14:04:00 On IRC I see tidoust, Zakim, kaz, aldafu, RRSAgent, skim13, Bin_Hu, Paul_Higgs, cpn, trackbot 14:04:26 Present: aldafu, Bin_Hu, cpn, kaz, Paul_Higgs, skim13, tidoust 14:04:29 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 14:04:29 +skim13; got it 14:05:10 Topic: Review of action items 14:05:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:05:55 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tvapi/2014Nov/0001.html 14:06:03 Bin: we need to separate application from platform requirements, 14:06:13 ... and the platform level requirements are not in scope 14:06:57 Bin: Thanks to all who have added to the requirements mapping 14:07:11 i/we need/topic: Discuss how to work out the draft of technical specification/ 14:07:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:07:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:07:33 ... the question is now how to move forward with the specification 14:08:29 i|we need to|-> http://www.w3.org/community/tvapi/wiki/Main_Page/Requirements_Mapping Requirements Mapping| 14:08:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:08:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:09:02 i/how to work/Bin: no open actions/ 14:09:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:09:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:10:31 Chris: wondering about the scope that we set. Since we started the group, the scope has expanded again, I think. I'm just wondering whether the focus that was set initially is the right one. 14:10:56 Bin: I suggest interested parties should drive the specification based on their priorities 14:11:27 i/wondering about/scribenick: tidoust/ 14:11:40 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17CdjSHe5crJGEX-7ig_g7VgIeXTzXL5F0Yqydk9chwk/edit#gid=1 14:12:25 i|https|-> https| 14:12:32 s|https|-> https| 14:12:44 Chris: the initial gap analysis identified 3 initial gaps: tuner control, channel identification, and media protection 14:13:03 s|gid=1|gid=1 Media API requirements/gap analysis| 14:13:18 Bin: refers also to the group charter 14:13:22 i/I suggest/scribenick: cpn/ 14:13:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:13:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:13:46 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 14:14:59 i/we need to separate/scribenick: cpn/ 14:15:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:15:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:15:28 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 14:15:41 Bin: to be practical, we can use a contribution driven method to prioritise the requirements we've collected 14:16:36 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 14:19:09 Alex: I agree with this, but if we were to take an existing spec, eg, the Mozilla API, it may not match our requirements, but this may be a good start as a draft 14:20:48 Alex: ... we could adapt this spec to our requirements, but with their agreement 14:22:30 Paul: why use the Mozilla API, as this isn't implemented by industry? 14:23:49 s/by industry?/by industry at large?/ 14:24:16 Bin: If we base our spec on something already widely implemented, this will be more easily adopted 14:25:17 Paul: we may be looking at things from different perspectives 14:26:21 Paul: each TV manufacturer has its own APIs, but they're all slightly different, so a new spec has the potential to create more confusion 14:27:15 ... can we produce a spec (for example) for triggered interactive overlays that could be used by these other specs? 14:27:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:27:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:28:19 Bin: that would have to come from contributions to the spec 14:28:33 s/Alex: .../Alex:/ 14:28:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:28:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:32:39 Paul: a lot of the requirements are covered by the proprietary specs 14:35:08 scribenick: tidoust 14:35:09 Chris: Feedback from Giuseppe and Mark at TPAC was to take a Web-centric approach. Suggestion was to start from HTML5 video element and see how to build on top of that. Mark's comment was more not to expose the underlying broadcast-specific primitives such as frequencies. 14:35:31 ... Wondering what that high-level approach might look like 14:36:10 Bin: Mozilla approach is indeed closer to Web technologies 14:37:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:37:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:37:49 ... Very important to have a baseline submitted by someone to address additional details and comments 14:38:46 scribenick: cpn 14:39:59 Alex: The Mozilla spec is the most recent, and seems to fit well with HTML5, using Promises etc, but it does expose some broadcast specific stuff, maybe the LG and Samsung APIs do better at hiding those details 14:41:12 ... The OIPF is one of the oldest APIs, and uses custom HTML tags and attributes 14:41:39 s/OIPF/OIPF DAE/ 14:42:06 Paul: The DAE is dominant, so would be hard to replace 14:42:48 Bin: So let's look at the Mozilla API as our basis 14:43:29 Action: Bin to contact Mozilla to see if they will contribute their API to the group 14:43:29 Created ACTION-19 - Contact mozilla to see if they will contribute their api to the group [on Bin Hu - due 2014-12-02]. 14:44:08 Alex: I was an editor of the Webinos specification 14:44:28 ... Mozilla's involvement in the CG has reduced recently 14:44:48 s/recently/since Gene left/ 14:45:10 Bin: we have a vacant editor position because of that 14:45:39 Action: Bin to contact Mozilla to ask if someone there wants to become an editor of the spec 14:45:39 Created ACTION-20 - Contact mozilla to ask if someone there wants to become an editor of the spec [on Bin Hu - due 2014-12-02]. 14:46:43 Topic: Next meeting 14:47:21 Bin: the next meeting is scheduled for December 23rd. I suggest cancelling this due to the holidays, and have the next call on Jan 20th 14:48:06 Topic: AOB 14:48:31 Paul: we could also contact HbbTV/OIPF about contributing their spec 14:48:50 Action: Bin to contact HbbTV regarding their specification 14:48:50 Created ACTION-21 - Contact hbbtv regarding their specification [on Bin Hu - due 2014-12-02]. 14:48:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:48:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 14:49:23 -Paul_Higgs 14:49:26 Bin: Thank you everybody, and have a good holiday season 14:49:30 -tidoust 14:49:31 - +1.650.946.aaaa 14:49:31 -aldafu 14:49:33 -skim13 14:49:34 -Kazuyuki 14:49:37 -cpn 14:49:37 skim13 has left #tvapi 14:49:38 WEBT_TVAPICG()9:00AM has ended 14:49:38 Attendees were +1.650.946.aaaa, +44.303.040.aabb, Paul_Higgs, +49.303.aacc, Kazuyuki, aldafu, cpn, tidoust, skim13 14:49:41 [ adjourned ] 14:49:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:49:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-tvapi-minutes.html kaz 15:27:25 cpn has left #tvapi 15:37:02 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 16:24:09 Zakim has left #tvapi 16:38:13 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 17:01:16 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 17:12:52 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 18:19:24 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 18:21:46 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 19:10:29 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 19:26:18 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 20:21:44 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 20:37:38 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 20:55:17 jcverdie has joined #tvapi 21:56:46 jcverdie has joined #tvapi