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16:56:33 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, code?
16:56:33 <Zakim> sorry, elf-pavlik, I don't know what conference this is
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16:58:57 <wseltzer> zakim, code?
16:58:57 <Zakim> sorry, wseltzer, I don't know what conference this is
16:59:04 <wseltzer> trackbot, start teleconf
16:59:07 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
16:59:09 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, this will be SOCL
16:59:09 <Zakim> ok, elf-pavlik; I see Team_(social)17:00Z scheduled to start in 1 minute
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16:59:19 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, code?
16:59:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), elf-pavlik
16:59:23 <elf-pavlik> \o/
16:59:44 <dahacouk> Ha! ;-)
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17:01:03 <Zakim> Team_(social)17:00Z has now started
17:01:12 <Zakim> + +1.978.238.aaaa
17:01:25 <jasnell> having difficulty dialing in
17:01:42 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, code?
17:01:42 <Zakim> the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), elf-pavlik
17:01:50 <lehawes_> Zakim: +1/978.238.aaa is lehawes
17:01:55 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, what conferences?
17:01:55 <Zakim> I see Team_(social)17:00Z, WAI_PF()12:00PM, Style_CSS FP()12:00PM, T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM, DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM active
17:01:58 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WAI_Team(WAIT)10:45AM, I18N_MLWWG()11:30AM, XML_XMLCore()11:30AM, SW_RDFWG()11:00AM, VB_VBWG(SCXML)12:00PM
17:01:58 <Zakim> +jasnell
17:02:48 <Zakim> +??P41
17:03:04 <lehawes_> For anyone trying to phone in, the Zakim code for this meeting is "SOCL#"
17:03:19 <Zakim> +??P27
17:03:31 <jasnell> for the conversation... https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Expanded_Vocabulary
17:03:45 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lloyd_Fassett_ has joined #socialig
17:04:30 <lehawes_> tantek: Howdy! Lurk away. ;>)
17:04:57 <lehawes_> Zakim, aaaa is lehawes
17:04:58 <Zakim> +lehawes; got it
17:05:34 <Loqi> CSSWG has 1 karma
17:05:41 <lehawes_> AnnBassetti: Are you phoning in to the TF meeting as well?
17:05:53 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, code?
17:05:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), elf-pavlik
17:06:07 <elf-pavlik> today we go as SOCL
17:06:38 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, mute dahacouk
17:06:38 <Zakim> dahacouk should now be muted
17:06:45 <lehawes_> We really need to get the phone code fixed on the IG wiki page. This seems to cause confusion every meeting. :>(
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17:06:50 <Zakim> + +1.541.410.aabb
17:07:24 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Thanks Elf
17:07:31 <elf-pavlik> welcome :)
17:07:43 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
17:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see lehawes, jasnell, elf-pavlik (muted), dahacouk (muted), Lloyd_Fassett_
17:08:00 <AnnBassetti> aha .. just saw new passcode .. trying again
17:08:05 <elf-pavlik> present:  lehawes, jasnell, elf-pavlik dahacouk, Lloyd_Fassett_
17:08:21 <elf-pavlik> scribenick: Lloyd_Fassett_
17:08:30 <lehawes_> AnnBassetti: Thanks, and sorry for the confusion
17:08:56 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, unmute dahacouk
17:08:56 <Zakim> dahacouk should no longer be muted
17:09:01 <Zakim> + +1.314.777.aacc
17:09:02 <Zakim> +Ann
17:09:11 <AdamB> zakim, aacc is AdamB
17:09:11 <Zakim> +AdamB; got it
17:09:12 <elf-pavlik> yes
17:09:25 <lehawes_> AdamB: Hey! Thanks for joining!
17:09:42 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Daniel intro.  What takes up  my time is a project called ? funded by UK technology and research
17:09:43 <AdamB> pleasure is all mine !
17:10:25 <Lloyd_Fassett_> dahacouk: it's meta-data for the music industry.  I'm also invovled in Drupal.  I run a ride share website.  And create world peace
17:10:40 <AdamB> http://www.kendra.org
17:10:48 <elf-pavlik> yay dahacouk ☮
17:10:58 <Lloyd_Fassett_> dahacouk: Project is called the Kendra Initiative
17:12:01 <Lloyd_Fassett_> dahacouk: I've been using Drupal for rapid development.  I employ developers and like to see tools work together nicely.  More generally, how can we improve interoperability.  It does come back to World Peace with autonomous people with power over their domain.
17:12:13 <elf-pavlik> we met with dahacouk during FSW summit in Berlin 2011 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Main_Page#Past_2011
17:12:44 <Lloyd_Fassett_> dahacouk: you won't see deep technical from me, but I know what I want from distributed systems.  I hope being in the this group will let me express those things in a better way.
17:13:09 <dahacouk> great
17:13:12 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF
17:13:56 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: we'r working with the WG to provide Use Cases, but also going beyond their needs to gather wider ranging use cases than what WG needs
17:14:22 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: purpose today is to accelerate the rate at which we're collecting Use Cases.
17:14:33 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: We have a template for collecting Use Cases.
17:14:41 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Profile_Scenarios
17:15:09 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: We collect ideas quickly and then go back and put them through the template.
17:15:50 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
17:16:01 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: Goal is that we've collected a lot of scenarios.  How can we get them into the Use Case format?  I want to make sure we have a system set up.
17:16:02 <lehawes_> q?
17:16:12 <Zakim> +??P41
17:16:36 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
17:16:56 <Lloyd_Fassett_> AnnBasetti: When you ask how we can get Use Cases into the right format, what do you mean?  We have 18.
17:17:14 <AnnBassetti> we have 18 scenarios
17:17:16 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: I'd like to ask that people who contributed put them into the format?
17:17:41 <lehawes_> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Use_Case_Template
17:17:46 <Lloyd_Fassett_> AnnBassetti: It's just a matter of typing.
17:18:19 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: The template was contributed by Mark Crawford.
17:18:26 <Zakim> +??P41
17:18:36 <AnnBassetti> meaning, just a matter of re-formatting the scenario concepts into the use case template format
17:18:41 <Lloyd_Fassett_> q+
17:20:16 <elf-pavlik> i'll write one template for Open Knowledge / Code for All directories
17:20:35 <AnnBassetti> Larry: I know people have ideas for more use cases; need to find the time to type them up
17:20:40 <AnnBassetti> Daniel:  what's the timeframe
17:20:42 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lehawes_: How can we make it easier for people to contribute scenarios?
17:20:45 <elf-pavlik> q?
17:20:59 <Lloyd_Fassett_> dahahout: What's the timeline?
17:21:09 <AnnBassetti> larry:  the end-date of the IG is at the end of 2016 ...
17:21:32 <AnnBassetti> ... but we need the use cases now, to be at the front of all the othe work
17:21:41 <AnnBassetti> ... and particularly for the WG
17:21:47 <Lloyd_Fassett_> lehwayes: Our charter ends in two years.  I think our work needs to be out in front of the other interest groups...in front of the standards spec
17:22:42 <lehawes_> q?
17:22:44 <elf-pavlik> dahacouk, we try to use q? q+ q- (happy to explain more details about our IRC flow after the meeting!)
17:22:56 <lehawes_> ack Llloy_Fassett
17:23:08 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Does anyone know why Mark created the template the way that he did?  Is there a precedent for that structure?
17:23:09 <lehawes_> ack Lloyd_Fassett
17:24:03 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: we need to add field about 'type of social network'
17:24:22 <lehawes_> q?
17:24:29 <elf-pavlik> ... by grouping them we can come up with standard functionality
17:24:45 <lehawes_> Lloyd_Fassett: Will you please expand on what you mean by type of social network
17:24:56 <AnnBassetti> basic intro to using IRC at W3C:  https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC
17:25:08 <AnnBassetti> (very important tool for participating here)
17:25:19 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti++
17:25:20 <Loqi> AnnBassetti has 3 karma
17:26:15 <AnnBassetti> Lloyd:  examples of types of "social":  for business, for personal
17:26:16 <lehawes_> AnnBassetti: What's the source of frustration? :>)
17:26:44 <AnnBassetti> oh, not this group .. we were talking about helping people get going with IRC
17:27:06 <AnnBassetti> Lloyd: type is also related to purpose
17:27:11 <lehawes_> AnnBassetti: Oh, good. Thought it was something to do with this meeting.
17:27:18 <AnnBassetti> no!
17:27:27 <AnnBassetti> sorry for confusion
17:27:49 <lehawes_> No worries, Ann! :>)
17:28:11 <AnnBassetti> Daniel:  it's all about "interactions"
17:28:27 <AnnBassetti> ... are there any boundaries about scope?
17:28:35 <AnnBassetti> Larry: not yet
17:29:08 <lehawes_> Sorry your having SIP problems, Elf
17:29:26 <elf-pavlik> happens, yesterday worked fine during WG call
17:29:39 <AnnBassetti> Daniel:  getting blurred between what is business and what is pleasure
17:29:59 <AnnBassetti> ... interactions can go from just chatting, sending messages, all the way to payments
17:30:38 <elf-pavlik> q+ re: P2P marketplaces, like ridesharing
17:30:51 <dahacouk> q?
17:32:06 <lehawes_> ack elf-pavlik
17:32:08 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss P2P marketplaces, like ridesharing
17:32:29 <Lloyd_Fassett_> q-
17:33:43 <lehawes_> ACTION: Lloyd_Fassett will add a section to the use case template for Social Network Type. He'll populate it with some example types and invite us to expand on the list.
17:33:43 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:33:44 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Elf: met with Danial met with Elf and they discussed P2P marketplaces like ride shareing and airbnb.
17:34:03 <Lloyd_Fassett_> q+
17:34:20 <lehawes_> ack Lloyd_Fassett
17:34:45 <dahacouk> elf-pavlik: documenting collaborative ideas is good for me. Let's do it.
17:34:48 <AnnBassetti> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Use_Case_Template
17:35:38 <lehawes_> q?
17:36:48 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Thanks elf-pavlik. I muted myself
17:37:16 <elf-pavlik> i'll put PLP into a template!
17:37:41 <elf-pavlik> and will try help Bob with his Food Networks
17:38:07 <elf-pavlik> +1 mark on a wiki that you work on a scenario!
17:38:55 <jasnell> I do have quite a few general cases documented here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Activity_Streams/Expanded_Vocabulary
17:39:21 <jasnell> it's more of a technical view working on the vocabulary but there are use cases I'm building around
17:39:59 <elf-pavlik> AFAIK many univerisities use http://www.dspace.org maybe they would have some use cases...
17:39:59 <AnnBassetti> ACTION:  Ann and Adam write up Boeing scenarios
17:39:59 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:40:10 <lehawes_> q?
17:40:24 <Lloyd_Fassett_> q+
17:41:10 <elf-pavlik> AdamB, jasnell: what do you think about Q&A service use case?
17:41:21 <jasnell> elf: +1
17:41:54 <lehawes_> ACTION: Any and all IG members can take an existing, documented scenario and translate it to the standard use case template. Put your name in the comment section of the scenario so we know you're working on it.
17:41:54 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:42:08 <lehawes_> ack Lloyd_Fassett
17:42:38 <elf-pavlik> wseltzer, do you know how we can get call scheduled for tomorrow?
17:43:12 <lehawes_> q?
17:43:21 <elf-pavlik> this one
17:43:38 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_, what time?
17:43:59 <dahacouk> @elf-pavlik shall we have a breif chat after this call to schedule the schedule?
17:44:06 <Zakim> -jasnell
17:44:07 <Zakim> -AdamB
17:44:10 <Zakim> -Lloyd_Fassett_
17:44:13 <Zakim> -lehawes
17:44:16 <Zakim> -dahacouk
17:44:54 <wseltzer> zakim, space for 2?
17:44:55 <Zakim> ok, wseltzer; conference Team_(socialig)17:44Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1844Z
17:46:35 <elf-pavlik> wseltzer, SOCL will work
17:46:36 <Zakim> +??P0
17:47:02 <elf-pavlik> wseltzer, just need to check time
17:48:00 <Zakim> -??P0
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17:53:49 <lehawes_> exit
18:00:35 <Zakim> -Ann
18:00:36 <Zakim> Team_(social)17:00Z has ended
18:00:36 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.978.238.aaaa, jasnell, elf-pavlik, dahacouk, lehawes, +1.541.410.aabb, Lloyd_Fassett_, +1.314.777.aacc, Ann, AdamB
18:01:50 <AdamB> rssagent, make minutes
18:03:32 <elf-pavlik> rssagent, draft minutes
18:04:57 <elf-pavlik> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:04:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/19-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
18:05:23 <AdamB> ha .. thanks wseltzer
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18:21:53 <tantek> zakim, what is the agenda?
18:21:53 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
18:21:56 <tantek> lol
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19:40:28 <elf-pavlik> rrsagent, make log public
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