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16:59:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TRACK
16:59:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
16:59:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
16:59:07 <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2014
16:59:14 <npdoty> Zakim, look up the agenda email and change the topic to it, would you?
16:59:14 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, npdoty.
16:59:38 <Zakim> T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has now started
16:59:42 <npdoty> npdoty has changed the topic to: 19 November agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/C8C2C8CE-CE1A-4C45-B5FB-9AB77F445096@w3.org
16:59:46 <Zakim> +Fielding
17:00:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:00:05 <moneill2> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
17:00:05 <Zakim> +moneill2; got it
17:00:08 <npdoty> regrets+ vincent, cargill
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17:02:06 <npdoty> Zakim, aaaa is Bethany_Nielsen
17:02:06 <Zakim> +Bethany_Nielsen; got it
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17:02:51 <eberkower> Zakim, mute me, please
17:02:51 <Zakim> eberkower should now be muted
17:02:52 <Zakim> + +1.917.934.aacc
17:02:59 <vinay> zakim, aacc is vinay
17:02:59 <Zakim> +vinay; got it
17:03:11 <Zakim> +Justin
17:03:20 <Zakim> + +31.65.275.aadd
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17:04:04 <kulick> short call... i'll do it
17:04:10 <npdoty> scribenick: kulick
17:04:32 <kulick> justin: skip david's 2 issues till the end of the call
17:04:39 <justin> issue-262?
17:04:39 <trackbot> issue-262 -- guidance regarding server responses and timing -- pending review
17:04:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/262
17:04:45 <Zakim> +[FTC]
17:04:45 <kulick> ... status check on issue 262
17:04:46 <Zakim> -[FTC]
17:05:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:05:10 <walter> zakim, IPcaller is me
17:05:10 <Zakim> +walter; got it
17:05:11 <kulick> .... Roy was going to type up proposal 2 weeks ago... were you able to?
17:05:16 <Zakim> +[FTC]
17:05:32 <kulick> Roy: I wrote most of it, but didnt commit it
17:05:43 <kulick> ... almost done. should be able to post to mailing list tronight
17:06:03 <kulick> justin: Rob, you and vincent were consiuderiung counter proposal... timing?
17:06:17 <npdoty> moneill2 also has an email on the topic
17:06:30 <kulick> Rob: we will post something Monday or tuesday next week if necessary
17:06:36 <kulick> justin: great
17:06:59 <justin> issue-235?
17:06:59 <trackbot> issue-235 -- Auditability requirement in Reasonable Security section -- raised
17:06:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/235
17:07:01 <WileyS> Note for minutes: 10 participants on today's call excluding staff and co-chair.
17:07:19 <Zakim> +Chris_Pedigo
17:07:34 <kulick> ... Roy, you were going to propose response to SHane's about who is setting the DNT signal... can you do in next week or so
17:07:45 <WileyS> Per Nick's note my statement is more for the TCS, not the TPE
17:07:46 <kulick> Roy: sure, assuming i dont forget.
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17:08:02 <kulick> justin: issue 235... auditability going to CfO
17:08:28 <kulick> ... nick please create CfO action
17:08:39 <kulick> npdoty: sure
17:08:43 <npdoty> walter, okay with my friendly amendment?
17:08:44 <Zakim> +MECallahan
17:08:48 <kulick> justin: 2 more issues....
17:08:52 <npdoty> ah, yes, I see your email, walter
17:08:53 <walter> npdoty: yes, I've expressed as much by mail
17:09:02 <kulick> .... issue 24 and issue 128....
17:09:11 <npdoty> s/128/148/
17:09:12 <kulick> ... sec reqs and what DNT means in diff contexts
17:09:28 <kulick> ... check if you have any objs
17:09:38 <kulick> ... issue 203
17:09:42 <justin> issue-203?
17:09:42 <trackbot> issue-203 -- Use of "tracking" in third-party compliance -- open
17:09:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/203
17:09:46 <npdoty> issue-148 had actually been in the draft for a while, I was just confirming that we had the text we talked about earlier
17:10:13 <kulick> ... npdoty commited a new version last night merging the lang... can you please describe
17:11:18 <kulick> npdoty: 2 proposals on 203... key diff was concept that server doesnt know inherently that if itas a first party... took from Roy's about discerning party status... added that text to 1st party compliance
17:11:29 <fielding> action fielding to respond to issue-260 regarding validating DNT signal
17:11:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-465 - Respond to issue-260 regarding validating dnt signal [on Roy Fielding - due 2014-11-26].
17:11:41 <kulick> .... when knowing... we all already agreed upon when unknown
17:12:15 <kulick> .... 2nd part of change to implement dsinger's proposal to use tracking data to say no just any piece of info but used for tracking.
17:12:19 <fielding> not yet
17:12:27 <kulick> justin: any questions or had a chance to look yet
17:12:30 <justin> q?
17:12:31 <npdoty> sorry that that went out late last night
17:12:31 <walter> this seems a bit of an edge case to me
17:12:32 <kulick> ... roy hasnt seen...
17:12:36 <kulick> ... yet.
17:12:51 <kulick> .... signifacnat change but dont seem far apart, in theory
17:12:58 <kulick> ... please check it out
17:13:09 <kulick> .... to reach resolution in next couple weeks
17:13:23 <kulick> ... two other issues, david's issues
17:13:44 <kulick> ... Mike and API issue.... do you have proposal on how to resoluve exp parameter
17:14:36 <kulick> moneill2: domain using sub domain and combining with issue 262 to build in clarity for ad exchanges to give consent for bidders
17:15:23 <kulick> ... prob with using cookies and a page and using sub domains is limiting...
17:16:03 <kulick> moneill2 is hard top scribe ;)
17:16:10 <kulick> s/top/to/
17:16:12 <justin> q?
17:16:37 <Zakim> - +31.65.275.aadd
17:16:52 <WileyS> How does the domain list approach not solve the same issue?
17:17:00 <fielding> Mike is talking about http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2014Nov/0037.html
17:17:05 <kulick> ... if becomes prob about domain attribute... we can leave it to the user
17:17:25 <kulick> ... could be handled by web app sec WG
17:17:46 <npdoty> q+
17:17:52 <kulick> justin: do we have prop to temp approve in our doc?
17:18:23 <kulick> moneill2: we have a placeholder... and I will add something over the weekend about independent use that needs to be addressed
17:18:35 <justin> ack npd
17:18:37 <kulick> .... currently we have a placeholder to address it
17:19:07 <kulick> npdoty: exp paramater discussion... current status is to just integrate it... i have concerns about potential scope of the change...
17:19:42 <kulick> ... we consider in the group trying to related domains within a company... but I domnt think we are there yet. I dont think checking domains now is a good outcome.
17:19:44 <WileyS> This approach feels more expensive than the list approach and that was already going to be difficult to manage.
17:20:01 <kulick> justin: okay, let's push these back to resolve later
17:20:10 <justin> Right, the expiry parameter is just waiting for dsinger to integrate.
17:20:16 <npdoty> WileyS, I think that was our sense from the last discussion of this general area, yes.
17:20:17 <kulick> ... other outstanding issues?
17:20:56 <justin> q?
17:21:01 <npdoty> still has to work through more editorial suggestions, but will get to that during our off week
17:21:16 <kulick> ... wont have a call next week... let's all look at issues over email and make progress...
17:21:26 <kulick> .... npdoty has editorial work to do
17:21:27 <npdoty> q+
17:21:56 <kulick> npdoty: we have a req to pub snapsho working draft every couple months
17:22:12 <kulick> ... goal to pub next tuesday
17:22:18 <npdoty> q-
17:22:25 <kulick> justin: sent to email if you have feedback
17:22:30 <justin> q?
17:22:38 <kulick> ... anyone... anyone... bueller?
17:22:39 <npdoty> I'll follow up on the mailing list to make sure people are comfortable with publishing a new Working Draft snapshot
17:23:01 <kulick> ... prob a couple more CfOs going forward, but almost done. bye
17:23:02 <Zakim> -vinay
17:23:03 <Zakim> -Chris_Pedigo
17:23:03 <Zakim> -Justin
17:23:04 <Zakim> -[FTC]
17:23:04 <Zakim> -Wendy
17:23:05 <Zakim> -Bethany_Nielsen
17:23:06 <Zakim> -MECallahan
17:23:07 <Zakim> -walter
17:23:07 <Zakim> -npdoty
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17:23:11 <Zakim> -WileyS
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17:23:31 <Zakim> -eberkower
17:24:42 <npdoty> trackbot, end meeting
17:24:42 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:24:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fielding, moneill2, +1.646.654.aaaa, +31.65.275.aabb, hefferjr, Wendy, npdoty, eberkower, Bethany_Nielsen, kulick, WileyS, +1.917.934.aacc,
17:24:45 <Zakim> ... vinay, Justin, +31.65.275.aadd, [FTC], walter, Chris_Pedigo, MECallahan
17:24:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:24:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/19-dnt-minutes.html trackbot
17:24:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:24:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items