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14:20:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:20:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:20:07 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:20:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:20:08 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2014
14:23:52 <Kenny> agenda+ Review of progress of Mobile techniques
14:28:49 <Kenny>  zakim, clear agenda?
14:28:49 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:29:35 <Kenny> agenda+ New Survey
14:29:36 <Kenny> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2ndNov2014/
14:30:03 <Kenny> agenda+ Response to LC-2972: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972
14:30:22 <Kenny> agenda+ Review of progress of Mobile techniques
14:30:36 <Kenny> agenda+ Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data
14:31:04 <Kenny> agenda+ Follow on from improvements to supporting docs
14:31:20 <Kenny> agenda+ Increase engagement by working group members
14:31:32 <Kenny> agenda+ Long-term vision / WAI2020
14:31:46 <Kenny> agenda+ Reaching out to stakeholders
14:32:03 <Kenny> agenda+ Outcomes of survey data analysis with EO and WAI-DEV project
14:32:10 <Kenny> agenda+ QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on
14:32:17 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:32:17 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
14:32:18 <Zakim> 1. New Survey [from Kenny]
14:32:18 <Zakim> 2. Response to LC-2972: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972 [from Kenny]
14:32:18 <Zakim> 3. Review of progress of Mobile techniques [from Kenny]
14:32:18 <Zakim> 4. Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data [from Kenny]
14:32:18 <Zakim> 5. Follow on from improvements to supporting docs [from Kenny]
14:32:18 <Zakim> 6. Increase engagement by working group members [from Kenny]
14:32:19 <Zakim> 7. Long-term vision / WAI2020 [from Kenny]
14:32:20 <Zakim> 8. Reaching out to stakeholders [from Kenny]
14:32:20 <Zakim> 9. Outcomes of survey data analysis with EO and WAI-DEV project [from Kenny]
14:32:20 <Zakim> 10. QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on [from Kenny]
14:33:07 <Kenny> Chair: Joshue
14:37:05 <Kenny> regrets+ Kathy_Wahlbin, Jonathan_Avila, Barry_Johnson, Eric_Eggert, Mike_Elledge
14:47:36 <Kenny> trackbot, start meeting
14:47:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:47:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:47:40 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:47:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:47:41 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2014
14:48:04 <Kenny> zakim, agenda
14:48:04 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:48:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', Kenny
14:48:05 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
14:48:05 <Zakim> 1. New Survey [from Kenny]
14:48:05 <Zakim> 2. Response to LC-2972: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972 [from Kenny]
14:48:05 <Zakim> 3. Review of progress of Mobile techniques [from Kenny]
14:48:06 <Zakim> 4. Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data [from Kenny]
14:48:06 <Zakim> 5. Follow on from improvements to supporting docs [from Kenny]
14:48:06 <Zakim> 6. Increase engagement by working group members [from Kenny]
14:48:06 <Zakim> 7. Long-term vision / WAI2020 [from Kenny]
14:48:06 <Zakim> 8. Reaching out to stakeholders [from Kenny]
14:48:07 <Zakim> 9. Outcomes of survey data analysis with EO and WAI-DEV project [from Kenny]
14:48:07 <Zakim> 10. QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on [from Kenny]
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15:25:51 <Joshue108> trackbot, start meeting
15:25:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:25:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:25:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 35 minutes
15:25:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:25:56 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2014
15:26:00 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
15:26:00 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
15:26:01 <Zakim> 1. New Survey [from Kenny]
15:26:01 <Zakim> 2. Response to LC-2972: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972 [from Kenny]
15:26:01 <Zakim> 3. Review of progress of Mobile techniques [from Kenny]
15:26:01 <Zakim> 4. Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data [from Kenny]
15:26:02 <Zakim> 5. Follow on from improvements to supporting docs [from Kenny]
15:26:02 <Zakim> 6. Increase engagement by working group members [from Kenny]
15:26:02 <Zakim> 7. Long-term vision / WAI2020 [from Kenny]
15:26:02 <Zakim> 8. Reaching out to stakeholders [from Kenny]
15:26:02 <Zakim> 9. Outcomes of survey data analysis with EO and WAI-DEV project [from Kenny]
15:26:03 <Zakim> 10. QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on [from Kenny]
15:27:08 <Joshue108> regrets+ Kathy Wahlbin, Jon Avila, Barry Johnson, Mike Elledge, Eric Eggert, Bruce Bailey
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15:47:19 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:47:19 <Zakim> apparently WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended, AWK
15:47:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see AWK, MichaelC, RRSAgent, dboudreau, Joshue108, MarkS, wilhelm, Zakim, Kenny, trackbot
15:47:28 <AWK> Trackbot, start meeting
15:47:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:47:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:47:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
15:47:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:47:33 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2014
15:47:40 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
15:47:41 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
15:47:41 <Zakim> 1. New Survey [from Kenny]
15:47:41 <Zakim> 2. Response to LC-2972: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972 [from Kenny]
15:47:41 <Zakim> 3. Review of progress of Mobile techniques [from Kenny]
15:47:41 <Zakim> 4. Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data [from Kenny]
15:47:41 <Zakim> 5. Follow on from improvements to supporting docs [from Kenny]
15:47:42 <Zakim> 6. Increase engagement by working group members [from Kenny]
15:47:42 <Zakim> 7. Long-term vision / WAI2020 [from Kenny]
15:47:42 <Zakim> 8. Reaching out to stakeholders [from Kenny]
15:47:42 <Zakim> 9. Outcomes of survey data analysis with EO and WAI-DEV project [from Kenny]
15:47:42 <Zakim> 10. QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on [from Kenny]
15:51:40 <AWK> zakim, clear agenda
15:51:40 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:51:54 <AWK> agenda+ New Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2ndNov2014/
15:52:02 <AWK> agenda+ Response to LC-2972:  https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972
15:53:21 <AWK> I'll fix
15:54:10 <AWK> Agenda+ Review of progress of Mobile techniques
15:54:21 <AWK> agenda+ Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data
15:54:34 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started
15:54:36 <AWK> agenda+ Follow on from improvements to supporting docs
15:54:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:54:43 <Joshue108> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:54:43 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:54:48 <AWK> agenda+ Increase engagement by working group members
15:54:56 <AWK> agenda+ Long-term vision / WAI2020
15:55:06 <AWK> agenda+ Reaching out to stakeholders
15:55:16 <AWK> agenda+ Outcomes of survey data analysis with EO and WAI-DEV project
15:55:25 <AWK> agenda+ QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on
15:55:52 <Joshue108> Chair: Joshue
15:57:14 <Joshue108> zakim, drop item 6
15:57:14 <Zakim> agendum 6, Increase engagement by working group members, dropped
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16:00:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:01:09 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:01:21 <Joshue108> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:01:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue
16:01:38 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:01:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:42 <alistair> zakim, ipcaller is alistair
16:01:42 <Zakim> +alistair; got it
16:02:08 <Zakim> +??P27
16:03:45 <Zakim> +Kenny
16:04:15 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014OctDec/0089.html
16:04:16 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:04:18 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
16:04:55 <MichaelC> regrets+ Christophe_Strobbe
16:06:44 <marcjohlic> scribe: marcjohlic
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16:07:51 <marcjohlic> zakim, next item
16:07:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "New Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2ndNov2014/" taken up [from AWK]
16:08:14 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  1. Mobile TF proposed changes to G90:Providing keyboard-triggered event handlers
16:09:15 <marcjohlic> JOC:  General consensus is that this still needs some edits
16:10:34 <marcjohlic> JOC:  At the F2F Loretta pointed out that we may need to document these at separate techniques that are advisory.
16:11:34 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Keyboard support on Mobile is not really that simple
16:12:14 <marcjohlic> KHS:  Mapping to a Guideline and calling it Advisory makes good sense - was very much agreed upon at F2F
16:12:48 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Stuff that is going on in Indie UI and UAAG will need to be pulled in for Mobile
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16:13:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:14:06 <Loretta> zakim IPcaller is Loretta
16:14:27 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2ndNov2014/results
16:16:08 <Joshue108> q?
16:16:12 <marcjohlic> MC:  We're enhancing a keyboard technique w/ applicability to Mobile - not clear how reference to Pointer Events fits in here
16:16:32 <marcjohlic> MC:  Should be made more clear in the technique if we're keeping it
16:17:09 <marcjohlic> LGR:  We're trying to push Touch into this keyboard technique - and not sure this is the place for that.
16:17:54 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Looks like what we're saying is that we'll have separate keyboard techniques and touch techniques - and the touch techniques will be Advisory.
16:18:56 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Propose leaving open and have discussions with Kathy and Kim on having separate techniques for touch
16:19:31 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Leave open - send back to Mobile TF for further discussion
16:20:14 <Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to follow up with Kathy and Kim on touch techs being advisory a la G90
16:20:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-295 - Follow up with kathy and kim on touch techs being advisory a la g90 [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-11-11].
16:20:23 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  2. Mobile TF proposed changes to G162: Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationships
16:22:18 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Several responses suggesting that the second edit "@@The horizontal distance.." may be too wordy
16:22:40 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Any objection to Michael's suggested change to the first edit?
16:22:46 <marcjohlic> No objections
16:25:09 <Joshue108> q?
16:25:52 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Any objections to my edit on removing the last line:  "Finally, if the field has data.."
16:26:31 <Joshue108> MJ: If its a name field etc its easier to parse.
16:28:32 <Joshue108> MC: I don't like josh's edit as the low vis and cog combination doesn't work.
16:29:43 <marcjohlic> MJ:  Broke the middle edit into multiple sentences to make it clearer
16:29:51 <marcjohlic> JOC:  +1 Marc's edit
16:33:25 <marcjohlic> MJ:  JN wants Cognitive TF to sign off on edit - believes he saw the opposite in a recent report
16:34:12 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Safest thing would be to send off to Cognitive TF for review
16:34:48 <marcjohlic> MC:  As the empowered entity, we should review and make edits - but be clear enough about what the edits are so that another group can review when published
16:35:36 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Should Mobile TF approach Cognitive TF about the change?
16:37:00 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Leave open pending Josh action
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16:37:12 <Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to ping the Cog A11y TF for feedback on https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G162
16:37:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-296 - Ping the cog a11y tf for feedback on https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/g162 [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-11-11].
16:37:35 <Joshue108> q?
16:37:47 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
16:38:17 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G162
16:40:52 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
16:40:52 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
16:40:53 <Zakim> 1. New Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2ndNov2014/ [from AWK]
16:40:53 <Zakim> 2. Response to LC-2972:  https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972 [from AWK]
16:40:53 <Zakim> 3. Review of progress of Mobile techniques [from AWK]
16:40:53 <Zakim> 4. Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data [from AWK]
16:40:54 <Zakim> 5. Follow on from improvements to supporting docs [from AWK]
16:40:54 <Zakim> 7. Long-term vision / WAI2020 [from AWK]
16:40:55 <Zakim> 8. Reaching out to stakeholders [from AWK]
16:40:55 <Zakim> 10. QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on [from AWK]
16:42:37 <Joshue108> agenda+ Discussion of efficiency improvements for Working Group processes
16:42:56 <marcjohlic> zakim, take up item 11
16:42:56 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Discussion of efficiency improvements for Working Group processes" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:43:46 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Comment from Loretta for a lighter weight process for the way we work - using asynchronous methods for the way we work
16:44:14 <marcjohlic> JOC:  David suggested that maybe we don't need to respond to every comment that comes in vs when we solicit comments
16:44:48 <marcjohlic> JOC:  AWK suggested using the List more for discussions and the person with the final response uses GitHub (or another tracker) to log
16:45:04 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Any other thoughts on better managing Public Comments
16:45:32 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Could we spend less time dealing w/ Public Comments
16:46:08 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Our current process - looking at today's where we are sending things back - sending back and forth is particularly slow
16:46:31 <alistair> q+
16:46:55 <marcjohlic> JOC:  A lot of Public Comments are for clarification - or "can you help me understand WCAG more" - and not sure we should be spending a lot of time on those
16:47:12 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Should we be spending less time on these types of Public Comments
16:47:33 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:47:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
16:47:36 <Joshue108> MJ: I defo agree if theres a better way to do this.
16:47:53 <Ryladog> q+
16:47:59 <Joshue108> MJ: The current tool is hard to follow, but there are issues with Github, Bugzilla have better features.
16:48:05 <Loretta> q+
16:48:09 <Joshue108> ack alis
16:48:57 <marcjohlic> Alistair:  Reliance on surveys tends to weigh things down - we end up plowing through comments on Survey when we could have handled these on the List instead
16:49:44 <marcjohlic> Alistair:  A lot of abstract issues - when someone misses an issue they end up having to dig around in previous surveys trying to find previous discussions
16:49:57 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Do you feel that lists is an easier way to handle comments
16:50:00 <marcjohlic> q+
16:50:19 <marcjohlic> Alistair:  Yes - it's a bit more fluid (the list)
16:50:23 <alistair> q-
16:50:30 <jamesn> q+
16:51:23 <Joshue108> ack ryla
16:51:25 <marcjohlic> JOC:  We'd have to find a way to manage list so that it included Working Group members and not just outside
16:51:55 <MichaelC> q+
16:52:04 <marcjohlic> KHS:  One of the major responsibilities of this WG is to respond to public comments.  We can't lose sight of that.
16:52:30 <MichaelC> q+ to say the WG is no longer the same people as wrote the guidelines, so we have to exercise our responsibility in that light
16:52:40 <marcjohlic> KHS:  Interested to find a better method, but if that doesn't work  out, we can't just not respond to public comments
16:53:09 <Joshue108> ack Loretta
16:53:52 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Dilemma for me is that by having decisions made at this meeting we exclude lots of people that can't attend this meeting for one reason or another (time etc)
16:54:22 <marcjohlic> LGR:  The challenge is however, how do you reach consensus in an asynchronous environment
16:55:10 <marcjohlic> LGR:  Challenge is to find a more asynchronous method that also defined how to measure when a consensus is met
16:55:42 <Joshue108> ack marc
16:56:12 <Joshue108> MJ: I'm stuck with an email client at IBM that doesn't support threading, I'll look at Gmail etc.
16:56:13 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about consensus bar
16:56:28 <Joshue108> MJ: Using a tool that had that structure within it would be good.
16:56:59 <Joshue108> MJ: There is a lot of variability in how people carry out these discussions.
16:57:05 <Joshue108> ack james
16:57:05 <jamesn> +! - also allows people to come in half way through and still see the history
16:57:42 <marcjohlic> JN:  Good thing about a good tracking tool is that if you come in halfway you can read the history and avoid circular discussions
16:57:44 <AWK> We discussed tracking issues and comments with a bugbase, possibly via GitHub that would address the need for a single thread to refer to
16:57:53 <Joshue108> is hearing that using a tracking tool for formatting may be a good idea for histroy tracking etc.
16:58:30 <marcjohlic> JN:  One problem with asynchronous and not having that "deadline" for the call, there would be times when WCAG was missed
16:58:33 <marcjohlic> +1
16:59:02 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Comes down to personal time mgmt
17:00:07 <marcjohlic> JN:  Sometimes the problem w/ offline communications is that some people have more time to devote to these - as opposed to the calls where everyone on the call has the equal time devoted
17:00:10 <marcjohlic> +1
17:00:32 <Zakim> +AWK
17:00:35 <AWK> q+
17:01:02 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Might be a way to control times to response (delay a person from monopolizing the discussion)
17:01:06 <Joshue108> ack Mich
17:01:06 <MichaelC> ack me
17:01:07 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say the WG is no longer the same people as wrote the guidelines, so we have to exercise our responsibility in that light and to talk about consensus bar
17:02:20 <marcjohlic> MC:  Responsibility of the WG:  agree it's a responsibility we have, but we are not the same WG that wrote the guidelines - we should reflect that in our responses - issue less authoritative responses (unless we have a reason to).
17:02:50 <marcjohlic> MC:  We need to keep in mind that we here don't have the full institutional knowledge anymore
17:03:25 <marcjohlic> MC:  Consensus bar:  We don't need to have as high of a consensus bar anymore (unlike when guidelines were written).
17:03:50 <marcjohlic> MC:  We could lower the bar on defining what "consensus" is - not sure exactly what the measure should be
17:04:16 <marcjohlic> MC:  We should think about what bar we would be comfortable with that could be met w/ some of these alternate discussion methods
17:05:02 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Optics seem to dictate that every response needs to be "perfect" - not sure how useful that is.
17:05:12 <Joshue108> ack awk
17:05:19 <marcjohlic> JOC:  For consensus, I feel it is a case by case basis
17:05:47 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Not sure we would want to cede the WG authority over interpretation
17:06:15 <marcjohlic> WG:  We have had a continuous group of people that have participated
17:07:13 <marcjohlic> WG:  Agree w/ what James was saying - problem w/ offline comm is that some folks have more time - others have less - raises the work/life balance about discussions that can go on all weekend, all week, all weekend again - need to figure out how we put the stake in the ground at the end
17:07:19 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Agree it's a challenge
17:07:58 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Some of the suggestions that came up were using tools like GitHub issues / bug trackers to better control discussions
17:07:58 <Joshue108> q?
17:08:24 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Any other comments or questions?  Efficiency improvements - if anyone has any ideas let us know
17:09:02 <AWK> zakim, agenda?
17:09:02 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
17:09:03 <Zakim> 1. New Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2ndNov2014/ [from AWK]
17:09:03 <Zakim> 2. Response to LC-2972:  https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2972 [from AWK]
17:09:03 <Zakim> 3. Review of progress of Mobile techniques [from AWK]
17:09:03 <Zakim> 4. Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data [from AWK]
17:09:03 <Zakim> 5. Follow on from improvements to supporting docs [from AWK]
17:09:03 <Zakim> 7. Long-term vision / WAI2020 [from AWK]
17:09:05 <Zakim> 8. Reaching out to stakeholders [from AWK]
17:09:05 <Zakim> 10. QuickRef improvement planning work - follow on [from AWK]
17:09:05 <Zakim> 11. Discussion of efficiency improvements for Working Group processes [from Joshue108]
17:10:14 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Need volunteer(s)
17:10:30 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Had 74 responses from survey
17:10:51 <marcjohlic> zakim, take up item 4
17:10:51 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Continue review/analysis of supporting documents survey data" taken up [from AWK]
17:10:55 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:11:02 <marcjohlic> AWK: Need volunteer(s)
17:11:09 <marcjohlic> AWK: Had 74 responses from survey
17:11:28 <Ryladog> Can we have a link to the responses? I recall a WORD document
17:11:32 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Need someone that can review and gather trends that appear
17:11:51 <AWK> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:11:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Marc_Johlic, alistair, Michael_Cooper (muted), Kenny, [IPcaller], James_Nurthen, AWK
17:11:58 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Anyone that would be willing to look at a few of the questions?
17:13:28 <Joshue108> MJ: Yes, the updated one is available.
17:13:29 <marcjohlic> AWK:  We will send something out
17:13:45 <Joshue108> JOC: Is the survey closed?
17:13:49 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Survey is not completely closed
17:14:03 <marcjohlic> AWK:  We can add in if folks have additional responses
17:14:15 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Looks like 2 more responses may have come in
17:14:45 <marcjohlic> AWK:  Any Google Forms experts that can tell us how to turn off access to the survey - but still keep it out there?
17:15:01 <marcjohlic> JOC:  We'll be in touch soon with the chunks we wanted folks to look through
17:16:25 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Been reviewing the minutes from the F2F and there are a lot of good ideas in there - putting those together
17:16:36 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Hoping to draw up some tangible actions
17:17:05 <Joshue108> q?
17:17:54 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:17:58 <marcjohlic> trackbot, end meeting
17:17:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:17:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, Marc_Johlic, alistair, Michael_Cooper, Kenny, Katie_Haritos-Shea, [IPcaller], James_Nurthen, AWK
17:18:00 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
17:18:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:18:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
17:18:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:18:07 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
17:18:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Josh to follow up with Kathy and Kim on touch techs being advisory a la G90 [1]
17:18:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-wai-wcag-irc#T16-20-14
17:18:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Josh to ping the Cog A11y TF for feedback on https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G162 [2]
17:18:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-wai-wcag-irc#T16-37-12-1
17:18:08 <Zakim> -Joshue
17:18:09 <Zakim> -alistair
17:18:10 <Zakim> -AWK
17:18:11 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper