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15:53:10 Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:53:10 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:30AM scheduled to start 23 minutes ago
15:53:11 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:53:11 Date: 30 October 2014
15:53:26 s/Weekly Teleconference/F2F - TPAC2014/
15:53:34 scribe: timeless
15:53:39 RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:53:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html timeless
15:53:45 agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda#F2F_Topics
15:53:54 RRSAgent, make logs world
15:55:25 F2F topics: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda#F2F_Topics
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15:57:28 chair: paulc, rubys
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16:01:23 present+ Josh_Soref
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16:01:34 Present+ (plh)
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16:01:37 Present+ plh
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16:01:50 Present- (plh)
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16:07:05 has the meeting started or is it unminuted at this time?
16:07:29 paulc: i'll be like the Baptist minister: "why are there no people in the front three pews?"
16:07:33 ... can people move in
16:07:45 ... we have a polycom, on this side
16:07:48 ... please move in
16:07:59 s/has the meeting started or is it unminuted at this time?//
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16:08:26 paulc: we're waiting for darobin
16:09:04 RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:09:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html timeless
16:09:33 good morning #html-wg - lurking here in IRC while in the AB meeting in person a few doors down.
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16:09:57 Zakim, call santa-barbara
16:09:57 I am sorry, timeless; I do not know a number for santa-barbara
16:09:59 Zakim, call santabarbara
16:09:59 ok, timeless; the call is being made
16:10:00 HTML_WG()11:30AM has now started
16:10:01 +Santabarbara
16:10:14 Zakim, who is on the call?
16:10:14 On the phone I see Santabarbara
16:10:33 Zakim, Santabarbara has rubys, paulc, timeless, MikeSmith
16:10:33 +rubys, paulc, timeless, MikeSmith; got it
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16:13:11 Zakim, darobin has entered Santabarbara
16:13:12 +darobin; got it
16:13:42 topic: Introduction
16:13:44 paulc: good morning
16:13:49 ... i'm Paul Cotton, cochair WG
16:14:01 MikeSmith: Michael Smith, W3C
16:14:13 Josh_Soref: Josh Soref, BlackBerry, Scribe, Observer
16:14:23 AAA: aaa
16:14:25 BBB: bbb
16:14:27 CCC: ccc
16:14:31 DDD: ddd
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16:14:37 darobin: Robin Berjon, W3C
16:14:41 EEE: eee
16:14:45 plh: PLH
16:14:52 rubys: Sam Ruby, cochair
16:14:56 FFF: fff
16:14:59 GGG: ggg
16:15:02 HHH: hhh
16:15:11 III: iii
16:15:13 s/AAA: aaa/Cyril: Cyril Concolato, Institut Telecom, interested in the Media TF work/
16:15:19 s/EEE: eee/zcorpan: Simon Pieters, Opera Software/
16:15:23 JJJ: jjj
16:15:33 MMM: mmm
16:15:38 NNN: nnn
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16:16:00 paulc: we're on #html-wg
16:16:13 ... Josh_Soref is scribing, thank you josh
16:16:20 Topic: Agenda Bashing
16:16:24 https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda#F2F_Topics
16:16:27 s/BBB: bbb/kurosawa: Takeshi Kurosawa, Mitsue-Links/
16:16:46 paulc: first item, First Screen Paint in Advance
16:16:56 ... discussed in Web Perf WG on Tuesday
16:17:03 ... there's an email on public-html
16:17:05
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16:17:15 ... because proponents would like to have a remote participant from China
16:17:20 ... and we're 15 hours behind China
16:17:25 ... i'm proposing to do that at 5pm today
16:17:30 ... that's 8am tomorrow morning
16:17:38 ... we can't do it tomorrow, since that's Saturday in China
16:17:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Oct/0062.html
16:17:40 ... that's locked
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16:17:55 ... fair amount of discussion in WebApps on Intentions (2 hours)
16:18:01 ... i don't know if anyone here wants to discuss that
16:18:08 ... Canvas TF, assume we'd want an update
16:18:14 ... Media TF requested Friday morning
16:18:20 ... i've stretched that through 1pm
16:18:29 ... i've talked about starting at 8:30am tomorrow
16:18:43 ... Charter schedule tells us we do HTML5.1 and Canvas 2D level 2
16:18:58 ... there was at least a breakout session on After HTML5
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16:19:08 ... darobin started a discussion on public-html@ probably over a month ago
16:19:13 ... chairs suggest doing it first
16:19:28 ... i expect we should do it first, and also think about how much time we need for it
16:19:28 +1 to paul on doing first
16:19:36 ... i included a link to outstanding HTML5 bugs
16:19:39 ... 288 of them
16:19:46 ... that's just searching bugzilla for the component
16:19:56 ... and it isn't obvious to me that that simple search is even right
16:20:02 ... in the press briefings on Monday
16:20:08 ... 40,000 emails
16:20:13 ... lots of formal objections
16:20:20 ... i didn't tell the press about outstanding bugs
16:20:22 ... --
16:20:28 ... 3 topics on Accessibility
16:20:33 ... the first is locked to this morning
16:20:45 ... it isn't obvious to me that we'll know how many accessibility people will be here to discuss
16:20:53 ... i went to the SVG meeting @9am this morning
16:21:01 ... to discuss this first topic after the break
16:21:15 ... -- the item about PFWG
16:21:19 ... Digital Publishing
16:21:25 ... they asked for a slot 4-5pm today
16:21:35 ... and we have a DOM4 status update: test failures
16:21:40 ... not sure about how long/how much time
16:21:44 ... Agenda...
16:21:54 ... we're in "Unconference"
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16:22:15 ... we have a 10:45-11:15 Coffee break -- technically, coffee is over at 11am
16:22:22 ... I put our start inside the window,
16:22:36 ... first item, Accessibility topics Part 1 (11:15-1am)
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16:22:53 ... slots 3 and 4 after lunch are open
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16:22:59 ... Tomorrow
16:23:09 ... i've made some modifications already
16:23:13 ... I sent Media TF a list of EME bugs
16:23:20 ... I've suggested 3 slots for EME
16:23:25 ... so many things outstanding
16:23:34 ... w/ TAG's input we went from 19 to 26/27 bugs
16:23:41 ... and in last two weeks, we've closed only 2
16:23:49 ... we need to do MSE CR status/test suite review
16:23:54 ... we need to decide
16:23:58 ... where to put items
16:24:06 ... anyone object to lockdown?
16:24:09 ... plh ?
16:24:26 plh: glazou wanted to be around for HTML5 discussion
16:24:31 ... but he's blocked until 1pm
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16:24:40 s/1pm/11am/
16:25:15 plh: and he's leaving today
16:25:25 ... i'm guessing we won't be able to accommodate him
16:25:34 paulc: say we start After HTML5 discussion at 9:30m
16:25:40 s/30m/30am/
16:25:45 ... would we need a second block?
16:25:48 plh: probably
16:25:57 paulc: people could discuss over break/lunch
16:26:09 ... and we could do a second slot after lunch, and glazou could come to that
16:27:07 paulc: adrianba, is ben still here?
16:27:10 adrianba: he's left
16:27:18 darobin_: without ben, it will be hard
16:27:23 paulc: it's going to be short
16:27:29 ... put that item at 2pm for 15 mins today
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16:27:48 paulc: and maybe darobin_ can find the webapps minutes?
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16:28:12 paulc: Canvas TF, maybe 15 mins after that?
16:28:24 rubys: make sense to slice Accessibility slot to cover Canvas ?
16:28:31 paulc: not the first slot
16:28:46 ... so add that to the 4-5pm slot today
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16:29:28 hober: i'll remain anonymous for now
16:29:43 paulc: 2pm slot this afternoon, Editing TF
16:29:51 ... plh, can we do DOM4 status in <15 mins?
16:29:58 darobin_: if we want to discuss bugs, we need more
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16:30:07 paulc: what about the 45 mins
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16:30:19 darobin_: we'd like to do DOM4 tomorrow to have time to run more tests
16:30:27 paulc: ok... look down for tomorrow
16:30:44 ... paulc ddorwin , MarkS , others, can we start 8:30 tomorrow morning?
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16:31:03 ... everyone put up their hand if they'll be at tomorrow morning
16:31:13 ... noon, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm
16:31:18 ... 4pm
16:31:24 ... that seems to say we can go pretty deep
16:31:30 ... but since ddorwin is editor of EME
16:31:38 ... and w/ children who want to go out for Halloween
16:31:48 ... and people rant about Halloween -- TPAC
16:32:05 ... change 09:00 to 8:30
16:32:22 ... ddorwin leaves at 1pm
16:32:28 ... do lunch until 2pm
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16:32:39 ... Session 11 - 2pm-3pm
16:32:46 ... that can be DOM4
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16:33:00 ... (test failures)
16:33:09 ... start EME bugs Part 1 at 8:30am tomorrow
16:33:41 hober: Ted O Connor, Apple
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16:35:27 paulc: ddorwin did you confirm that acolwell
16:35:41 ... move the MSE CR status to 12:30AM-1PM
16:35:58 ... and expand Part to 11:00-12:30PM
16:36:06 ... 4 hours of EME tomorrow morning
16:36:18 ... break for lunch
16:36:21 ... come back for DOM4
16:36:33 [ Agenda reloads ]
16:36:55 paulc: move back to Day 1
16:37:09 ... I think we can shrink Editing TF to 2pm-2:30pm
16:37:30 ... Session 4 should be After HTML5 part 2 2:30-3:30pm
16:37:48 ... if Editing TF ends early, we'll segway straight to After HTML5
16:37:59 s/ddorwin1/ddorwin/G
16:38:03 ... what have we missed?
16:38:31 ... Canvas2D level 2 -> after html5
16:38:40 .... accessibility part one partly covered
16:38:44 s/.../../
16:38:52 ... accessibility part 2 isn't covered
16:38:59 ... did we know how we were going to cover this?
16:39:02 ... SteveF ?
16:39:13 ... name computation, access key, captcha ?
16:39:21 ... was I overly zealous by adding this to the wiki?
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16:39:26 SteveF: I can see, but I have no idea
16:39:44 paulc: since we'll see PF at 11:15am today
16:39:54 ... we'll have to ask them what they want to do w/ A11Y-part2
16:40:02 ... I know footnotes, roles, validation have to be today
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