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20:16:43 <glazou> DongYoung: CSS Extensions for round display
20:16:59 <glazou> … could or should extend CSS to support round displays for wearable and mobile
20:17:14 <glazou> … shows smart watches and cover of smartphone
20:17:21 <hyojin_song> glazman, thanks a lot for your help
20:17:53 <glazou> … limitations triggered thoughts about CSS extnsions for that
20:18:03 <glazou> … new devices emerging with round displays
20:18:12 <glazou> … but web made for rectangular displays
20:19:11 <glazou> DongYoung: suggesting a MQ to dectedt round screens
20:19:50 <glazou> … device-radius property, inspired by border-radius
20:20:19 <glazou> <link media=“screen and (device-radius: 50%)“…
20:20:37 <glazou> DongYoung: other shapes of display are possible so we need to control the radius
20:21:13 <glazou> … we’re reusing the concept of border-radius
20:21:38 <glazou> … for non supporting devices, screen is clipping
20:22:08 <glazou> … similar to android wear defining two styles one for rectangular, one for round
20:22:16 <glazou> … also detection from JS
20:22:24 <glazou> … new property of Screen
20:22:34 <glazou> … new property of body element
20:22:49 <glazou> … Screen.radius and document.body.border-radius (sic)
20:23:44 <glazou> glazou: you cannot have border-radius here, that’s considered as an option
20:23:55 <glazou> florian: this is interesting, you have a good point
20:24:01 <glazou> … there are not only circles
20:24:16 <glazou> … doing better than circles is interesting but what about another shape
20:24:24 <glazou> … still this is the good direction
20:24:29 <glazou> … bring it to www-style !!!
20:24:59 <glazou> florian: plenty of things to discuss but good starting point
20:25:30 <glazou> DongYoung: ContentAlignment is needed
20:25:38 <glazou> … to fit contents inside the screen
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20:26:12 <glazou> … you want the contents to fit into the rounded display
20:26:20 <glazou> … shape-inside property !!!
20:26:57 <glazou> … but if text at the bottom, you need to overflow _up_
20:27:02 <glazou> … difficult issue
20:27:29 <glazou> … proposal to add a ‘display’ value to shape-inside to constrain rendering
20:28:07 <glazou> … new border-shape property
20:28:18 <glazou> … display or nodisplay (default) values
20:28:47 <glazou> … constrains the border to the edges of the display
20:29:06 <glazou> florian: make border follow the shape inside and not the display to be more generic
20:29:11 <glazou> DongYoung: yes maybe
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20:29:30 <glazou> BradK: should be in the Shape spec
20:29:39 <glazou> florian: exactly
20:29:54 <glazou> DongYoung: layout
20:30:04 <glazou> … elements can be for instance placed along a circles
20:30:13 <glazou> … polar coordinates then, like in LG G3 cover
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20:30:55 <glazou> … one thing we could do is properties polar-angle and polar-distance
20:31:09 <glazou> … with position polar
20:31:28 <glazou> … position: polar
20:31:49 <glazou> florian: you position the center and then the rest?
20:31:54 <glazou> DongYoung: yes
20:32:15 <glazou> TimCole: what does position polar do for you?
20:32:54 <glazou> florian: could you position absolutely and transform them?
20:32:59 <glazou> DongYoung: sure !
20:33:05 <glazou> … easy to write a toolkit for that
20:33:18 <glazou> … but easier for us to develop if done that way
20:33:42 <glazou> LouayBasbouss: what is the %age about?
20:33:59 <glazou> DongYoung: of the radius
20:34:18 <glazou> florian: problematic
20:34:31 <glazou> DongYoung: we need minimal extensions to CSS for round displays
20:34:34 <glazou> … detection
20:34:38 <glazou> … alignment
20:34:42 <glazou> … border containment
20:34:47 <glazou> … polar coordinates in layout
20:35:59 <Bert> glazou: I encourage you to subit the idea to www-style. Please also attend the next CSS ftf and present to the WG.
20:36:22 <Bert> ... No doubt there will be chnages, but I think people understand the requirements.
20:36:36 <Bert> ... There will be compromises, of course.
20:36:59 <glazou> Florian: your proposal will be ack'd
20:37:03 <glazou> … and discussed
20:37:12 <glazou> BradK: you’re proposing a new position scheme
20:37:23 <glazou> arron: yeah, we could use position absolute
20:37:38 <glazou> florian: does it work like a transform or like a positioning thing
20:38:13 <glazou> glazou: you may want to put transformations ontop of position
20:38:18 <glazou> plinns: can glue them
20:38:45 <glazou> DongYoung:
20:38:47 <glazou> er
20:38:55 <glazou> florian: first start with a polyfill
20:39:20 <glazou> TimCole: not a css issue eactly but that’s related to ordering of things
20:39:33 <glazou> … how do you address this kind of issues ?
20:39:55 <glazou> DongYoung: not really sure
20:40:27 <glazou> glazou: polyfill?
20:40:45 <glazou> DongYoung: planning one
20:40:53 <glazou> glazou: would be cool and helpful to play with ut
20:41:00 <glazou> florian: what about scrolling?
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20:41:12 <glazou> … there are MQ in the work for that sort of detection
20:41:22 <glazou> … already on our radar
20:42:23 <glazou> … compatible with the use cae
20:42:27 <glazou> s/cae/case
20:42:36 <glazou> … I need your feedback
20:42:45 <glazou> BradK: shape inside does not allow scrolling right ?
20:42:47 <glazou> florian: no
20:43:02 <glazou> florian: shape-inside and overflow-fragment could help
20:43:15 <glazou> DongYoung: extra comments
20:43:27 <glazou> DongYoung: thanks again for joining the session
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