15:00:04 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y 15:00:04 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-irc 15:00:06 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:00:06 Zakim has joined #html-a11y 15:00:08 Zakim, this will be 2119 15:00:08 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 60 minutes ago 15:00:09 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 15:00:09 Date: 23 October 2014 15:00:23 zakim, who is here? 15:00:23 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, aardrian 15:00:24 On IRC I see RRSAgent, aardrian, LJWatson, chaals, liam, MarkS, ShaneM, janina, joanie, cabanier, sivoais_, trackbot 15:00:33 hober has joined #html-a11y 15:00:48 zakim, this is 2119 15:00:48 ok, chaals; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM 15:00:56 zakim, who is here? 15:00:58 On the phone I see Adrian_Roselli, ??P12, [IPcaller] 15:00:58 On IRC I see hober, Zakim, RRSAgent, aardrian, LJWatson, chaals, liam, MarkS, ShaneM, janina, joanie, cabanier, sivoais_, trackbot 15:01:02 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:01:03 On the phone I see Adrian_Roselli, ??P12, [IPcaller] 15:01:10 zakim, ??P12 is me 15:01:10 +janina; got it 15:01:13 +[IPcaller.a] 15:01:25 zakim, [ipcaller.a is chaals 15:01:26 +chaals; got it 15:01:59 zakim, [ip is leonie 15:02:00 +leonie; got it 15:02:06 agenda? 15:02:11 +ShaneM 15:02:39 agenda+ longdesc 15:02:39 agenda+ canvas update 15:02:39 agenda+ EME 15:02:39 agenda+ alt note 15:02:43 agenda+ tabindex 15:02:49 +Joanmarie_Diggs 15:02:50 agenda+ Beyond HTML5: accesskey 15:02:51 agenda+ other business? 15:02:56 JF has joined #html-a11y 15:02:59 Zakim, I am Joanmarie_Diggs 15:02:59 ok, joanie, I now associate you with Joanmarie_Diggs 15:03:00 +Judy 15:03:10 Judy has joined #html-a11y 15:03:25 +JF 15:03:43 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:03:44 On the phone I see Adrian_Roselli, janina, leonie, chaals, ShaneM, Joanmarie_Diggs, Judy, JF 15:04:05 scribe: LĂ©onie Watson 15:04:07 scribeNick: LJWatson 15:04:15 agenda? 15:04:16 zakim, next item 15:04:17 agendum 1. "longdesc" taken up [from chaals] 15:04:33 CMN: News? 15:04:40 JB: Hoping for news soon. 15:04:54 zakim, close item 1 15:04:54 agendum 1, longdesc, closed 15:04:55 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:04:55 2. canvas update [from chaals] 15:05:04 zakim, next item 15:05:05 agendum 2. "canvas update" taken up [from chaals] 15:05:19 +MarkS 15:05:41 JS: Has been list traffic. Testing moving forward with Mark Sadecki. 15:06:15 MS: Rich and I met last week. Making progress with writing/running tests. 15:06:34 MS: We've identified all test scenarios, and have test cases for most of those. 15:07:32 MS: Questions asked about possible substantive changes to the spec. We may be able to continue, may have to return to LC. 15:08:22 MS: First need to inform acc API of location of a hit region. 15:08:35 q+ 15:08:37 s/substantive/whether these are substantive/ 15:08:39 MS: Second need to clarify what happens when focus moves to a fallback when the canvas is below the fold. 15:08:44 q+ 15:08:50 q- later 15:09:28 ack me 15:09:44 CMN: No opposition to including those things, just administrative overhead? 15:09:44 ack ju 15:09:48 MS: Correct. 15:09:55 https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Canvas_Task_Force/CR-Test 15:10:14 JB: Under what circumstances would these not be considered substantive changes? 15:10:49 JB: Also, do we know how/why these things were dropped? 15:11:05 JS: The task to do the forensics was assigned to me. I haven't done that yet. 15:11:14 [Not really my worry, but I wonder if the group has considered moving to Process-2104 (instead of going back to last call)] 15:11:33 MS: Would chalk it up to human error. 15:11:43 rrsagent, make minutes 15:11:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:12:04 +Cynthia_Shelly 15:13:11 s/2104/2014/ 15:13:15 JB: To Chaals comment, can we get an idea of how much process recycling we'll need to do? 15:13:58 MS: No, haven't considered that. Thought has been we'd move back to LC. 15:14:14 JB: The changes sound substantative to me. 15:14:20 MS: To discuss at TPAC. 15:14:33 [judy: other part of the question is whether this is indeed substantive. sounds so.] 15:14:37 zakim, next item 15:14:37 agendum 3. "EME" taken up [from chaals] 15:14:51 rrsagent, make minutes 15:14:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:15:07 action-285? 15:15:07 action-285 -- John Foliot to Foliot to update list of possible eme features at accessibility risk, and reply to tag bug. -- due 2014-10-23 -- OPEN 15:15:07 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/285 15:15:55 JF: The situation hasn't changed substantially in the last year, but need to check that. 15:16:33 JF: Understanding is that third party binary blobs would not be encrypted. Think we won't have an issue. 15:17:09 JS: There's a test suite - mentioned on last week's HTML WG call. 15:17:37 JF: Situation is that it's ongoing, but don't anticipate any serious concern. Due dilligence will confirm. 15:17:42 zakim, next item 15:17:42 agendum 4. "alt note" taken up [from chaals] 15:17:59 CMN: Results of CFC have been published. 15:17:59 q+ 15:18:25 CMN: The heartbeat will be published. 15:19:44 JB: It's in queue for publication today, but along with many other documents. 15:19:53 rrsagent, make minutes 15:19:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:20:34 CMN: Do people have bugs that haven't been filed? 15:20:37 JS: Yes. 15:21:05 CMN: Still waiting for editors? 15:21:20 -MarkS 15:21:28 JB: Editor requests should go through after the heartbeat has been published. 15:21:43 zakim, next item 15:21:43 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LJWatson 15:21:52 q? 15:21:56 ack j 15:21:58 zakim, next item 15:21:58 agendum 5. "tabindex" taken up [from chaals] 15:22:58 CMN: Proposal to change tabindex documentation. 15:23:36 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27076 15:23:47 CMN: Consensus of thread discussion is that we should try to fix tabindex with positive integer value problem. 15:23:56 q+ 15:24:00 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Oct/thread.html#msg27 tabindex discussion 15:24:03 ack j 15:24:03 CMN: Have created a wiki page. 15:24:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Oct/0027.html 15:24:48 JS: The TF is the common ground for discussions involving PF and HTML WGs. Think conversation also needs to include people involved in ePub etc. 15:25:00 rrsagent, make minutes 15:25:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:25:44 JS: Also SVG and/or the joint SVG/PF TF. 15:27:34 Q+ 15:27:38 ack cyn 15:27:56 newtron has joined #html-a11y 15:27:59 ack j 15:28:03 CS: The issue is with values greater than 1. 15:28:12 JF: Another stakeholder might be WCAG. 15:28:30 JF: There is an element of authoring advice. 15:28:56 zakim, next item 15:28:56 agendum 6. "Beyond HTML5: accesskey" taken up [from chaals] 15:29:20 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accesskey notes on accesskey 15:29:23 CMN: Started updating the HTML5.1 wishlist wiki. Specifically for accesskey stuff. 15:29:24 newtron_ has joined #html-a11y 15:29:58 CMN: Goal is to set a pattern for getting more concrete about what we want in 5.1. 15:30:47 CMN: There are other items in the wishlist that people may want to look at. 15:31:09 CMN: File bugs against changes you would like made. 15:31:22 nwtn has joined #html-a11y 15:32:00 JS: Can you give us an overview of the value you see in access key, as opposed to alternatives like roles? 15:32:07 newtron_work has joined #html-a11y 15:32:21 CMN: Accesskey shouldn't be used if roles and/or stronger semantics are available. 15:32:52 q+ to ask how role would be linked to a key 15:32:54 CMN: There are functions on some websites that are used a lot, where an accesskey might be helpful. 15:33:24 rrsagent, make minutes 15:33:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:33:52 CMN: Current techniques require JS to provide shortcuts for user behaviour, so failures are rife. 15:34:51 CMN: IndieUI is another pice of the puzzle. Standardised ways of understanding what task the user is trying to perform. 15:35:15 ack sh 15:35:15 ShaneM, you wanted to ask how role would be linked to a key 15:35:45 SM: If I've assigned roles, how does that help the UA/AT make those items more accessible? 15:37:04 CMN: Role labelling means UA/ATs can define a standard interaction behaviour (press button etc.). 15:37:20 SM: Remain skeptical. 15:37:57 CMN: There is no ready way to bind a key command to that though. 15:39:08 CMN: Hijacking the interaction isn't helpful to users. To make the UA functionality point somewhere else should be controlled by the user. 15:39:43 CMN: An accesskey would provide a standardised interaction. 15:40:25 CMN: Proposal is to keep accesskey, but improve the definition/use cases etc. 15:40:33 rrsagent, make minutes 15:40:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:41:07 CMN: Browsers need to improve accesskey implementation, that's needed to convince authors to stop writing complex JS to handle shortcuts and use accesskey instead. 15:42:17 JS: Think dPub people will want greater standardisation around this. 15:44:01 zakim, next item 15:44:01 agendum 7. "other business?" taken up [from chaals] 15:44:25 CMN: Encourage everyone to look at the 5.1 wishlist. 15:44:38 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Wishlist_for_HTML5.1#Accesskey things we want to add / fix in HTML 5.1 15:45:02 CS: I won't have time to look at the menu element in the 5.1 timeline. Should I take it off the list? 15:45:17 CMN: Suggest you take yourself off the list, but leave the component there. 15:45:24 newtron_ has joined #html-a11y 15:46:06 q+ 15:46:15 ack j 15:46:33 JB: Would be good to start recruiting for volunteers. Anyone on the call? 15:47:36 CMN: Janina any news on date picker? 15:47:47 JS: We weren't certain there would be wider interest. 15:48:32 JS: Solutions would need to be wider than just accessibility. 15:49:17 -Cynthia_Shelly 15:49:27 CMN: Everyone please take a look, use the remaining 10 minutes of the hour to do it! 15:49:40 rrsagent, make minutes 15:49:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:49:52 JS: Do we want to mee the week after TPAC? 15:50:06 s/mee/meet/ 15:50:26 CMN: Suggest we do meet. 15:50:33 -ShaneM 15:50:40 -chaals 15:50:41 rrsagent, make minutes 15:50:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 15:50:42 -Judy 15:50:46 -Joanmarie_Diggs 15:50:47 -JF 15:50:47 -leonie 15:50:49 -Adrian_Roselli 15:50:57 [Thanks Leonie for scirbing] 15:51:08 Noted, Joanie! Thanks! 15:51:50 chair: Chaals 15:58:37 newtron has joined #html-a11y 16:04:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:04:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals 16:05:01 disconnecting the lone participant, janina, in WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM 16:05:04 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended 16:05:04 Attendees were Adrian_Roselli, [IPcaller], janina, chaals, leonie, ShaneM, Joanmarie_Diggs, Judy, JF, MarkS, Cynthia_Shelly 16:05:38 rrsatent, make minutes 16:05:56 rrsagent, make minutes 16:05:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson 16:08:54 Judy has joined #html-a11y 16:34:45 Judy has joined #html-a11y 17:41:43 Judy has joined #html-a11y 17:45:29 liam has joined #html-a11y 18:02:58 liam has joined #html-a11y 18:15:45 newtron has joined #html-a11y 18:16:31 cabanier has joined #html-a11y 18:58:29 liam has joined #html-a11y 19:35:08 Judy has joined #html-a11y 19:56:56 liam has joined #html-a11y 21:00:26 hober has joined #html-a11y 21:16:44 liam has joined #html-a11y 22:29:57 liam has joined #html-a11y 22:47:41 hober has joined #html-a11y 22:50:07 hober has joined #html-a11y