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Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference

21 Oct 2014

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Attendees

Present
SteveZ, Jeff, Mike_Champion, chaals, timeless
Regrets
dsinger
Chair
SteveZ
Scribe
SteveZ

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 21 October 2014

Agenda

1. Review Open Action Items

<inserted> Review Open Action Items

2. Issue-140: The description of the Team in Section 2.2 of the process document is out of date

3. Issue-137: Rationalise the heartbeats in chapter 6 and 7

4. Issue-141: Improve Errata management in W3C

Review Open Action Items

<jeff> Steve: Propose close Action-35.

<jeff> +1

RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-35: Write up proposal for inline errata

<scribe> ScribeNick: SteveZ

W3C roles in the process document

JJ: I have several points
... 1. W3C Fellows are mentioned in document and they are Member employees working for the Team and we should point this out
... 2. The process should mention the Director and his powers
... 3. The CEO is Chair of the AB so should be mentioned
... 4. There is a sentence about delegation saying certain individuals may delegate responsibilities assigned to them
... 5. Dropping the mentioning of Hosts is problematic because there is already confusion about the Hosts and their role so dropping this is likely to add to the confusion

CMN: do not see why dropping Hosts is a problem because they do not have a role in process
... I still do not see why a single sentence will not do because we do not need to repeat assignments described in other parts of the process

SZ: agrees with most of JJ's points, except for role of Hosts

<chaals> close ACTION-35

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-35.

JJ: It is useful to the readers to understand what W3C is and that it is not incorporated

MC: does the Process Doc mention role of CEO as AB Chair?

JJ: Yes, there is a mention in the AB section

<chaals> [[[The Team appoints the Chair of the https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/cover.html#AB, who is generally the https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/cover.html#def-W3CChair.]]]

CMN: I pasted the exact text
... we have been using fictional people, Chair and COO as the preferred candidate for certain roles for over a decade
... Since the Team appoints the Chair of the AB, that should suffice, Saying who that is does not help

JJ: It was because Process said Chair of AB is normally COO, I considered eventually take over that role when my other duties permitted. Without that in the Process I would not have seen that as an expectation

CMN: No the CEO is not particularly expected to be the AB Chair, he was not for over a decade.

<jeff> [Actually, Tim is in fact the co-chair of the TAG]

CMN: There is also a statement that the Director is generally the Chair of the TAG, but he was only for one meeting
... The Process Doc does not need to describe how the Team manages itself and its roles;

JJ: it is necessary to include in section 2.3.1 that the CEO is generally the Chair of the AB
... It is part of the social contract with the Membership that they have intimate contact with the "lay leader" (not the Director) who is the CEO
... I see it being important that the person who accepts the advice be chairing the meeting that provides the advice
... I believe that removing the role of the CEO would disempower the advisory board

MC: would be happy with just saying "Team appoints"

SZ: I do not believe it is necessary to designate that CEO is generally the Chair, but if it makes it easier for the Team to meet the appointment rule, then I would support including that
... I think the Process should call out the roles of Director and CEO and describe their relationship to help Members set their expectations correctly

CMN: I do not understand the relationship between the two, except that certain roles are assigned to the Director and Team (and potentially the CEO).
... I do not understand what else you would say nor why you would say it

JJ: I agree with Charles,
... The Director has almost absolute power and the CEO has almost none, but Director has chosen to delegate some of his powers and that changes over time.
... You only need to identify, as part of the Team, those people that get mentioned elsewhere in the Process

<inserted> [ SZ agreed about identifying roles only as needed in the Process ]

JJ: I think the Director description is pretty reasonable as is

CMN: and the CEO is the Chief Executive Officer of the Team

JJ: We should say the Team is lead by the Director and the CEO who may delegate their powers

CMN: I will do a new edit that meets (in spirit) identifying the key people and says they can delegate

<timeless> +1

<chaals> ACTION: chaals to propose new text describing the Team that mentions the Director, Fellows, the CEO, the Team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Propose new text describing the team that mentions the director, fellows, the ceo, the team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-10-28].

3. Issue-137: Rationalise the heartbeats in chapter 6 and 7

RESOLUTION: Remove the discussion of the heartbeat in Chapter 6.2.7 in favor of the new text in Chapter 7

CMN: The section 6 discussion only required one of the specs be updated every 3 months and this was ludicrous for super groups and sometime too much of small groups. Chapter 7 changes it to a SHOULD rather than a MUST

Attendees: Chaals (CMN), Jeff (JJ), Mike Champion (MC) Steve Zilles (SZ) and timeless

<timeless> trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chaals to propose new text describing the Team that mentions the Director, Fellows, the CEO, the Team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html#action01]
 
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