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15:58:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:58:39 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:58:39 <trackbot> Date: 16 October 2014
15:58:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:45 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014OctDec/0004.html
15:59:22 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:59:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:59:49 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
15:59:56 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:00:05 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:00:05 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:00:59 <paulc> Chair: Sam Ruby
16:01:04 <paulc> Scribenick: paulc
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16:01:35 <Zakim> +??P12
16:01:42 <janina> zakim, ??P12 is me
16:01:42 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:01:58 <Zakim> +Sam
16:02:11 <Zakim> +Plh
16:02:44 <paulc> I wonder what number you need to call to get "plh-play"?
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16:03:26 <rubys> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, janina, Sam, Plh
16:03:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:04:02 <gregDavis> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
16:04:02 <Zakim> +gregDavis; got it
16:04:18 <paulc> Scribe: paulc
16:05:00 <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
16:05:20 <paulc> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, October 16
16:05:24 <paulc> None
16:05:39 <paulc> Topic: CfC: Request transition of DOM4 to Proposed Recommendation
16:05:55 <paulc> The CfC failed with an objection and there are two bugs being worked on.
16:06:07 <paulc> See also: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Oct/0066.html
16:06:19 <paulc> Topic: Draft [URL] reference update to informative text
16:06:34 <paulc> Four minor changes were made and discussion has died down.
16:06:46 <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Oct/0023.html
16:06:52 <paulc> Topic: longdesc CR
16:07:10 <paulc> Janina: no news from the Director on the Apple Formal Objection decision
16:07:16 <paulc> Janina: We are still waiting.
16:07:31 <paulc> Topic: Text alternatives request for heartbeat referred to task force
16:07:55 <paulc> janina: The TF discussed this today and we expect the document will be published on Thu Oct 23.
16:08:14 <paulc> ... TF and PF WG will do a CfC on the candidate document
16:08:35 <paulc> Sam: Excellent plan
16:09:01 <paulc> See TF minutes at http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html#item04
16:09:26 <paulc> Topic: HTML WG F2F and TPAC, Oct 30-31
16:09:41 <paulc> Sam: Reminder that we will be meeting F2F on Thu-Fri Oct 30-31
16:10:17 <paulc> Paul: Registration may be possible but some groups are very over booked.
16:10:29 <paulc> plh: There are over 500 registrants
16:10:58 <paulc> ... When the registration closed it was at 499 and plh made it 500 ;<)
16:11:45 <paulc> paulc: We are still receiving very late observer requests
16:12:36 <paulc> paulc: here is the message I sent to the 50 observers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2014Oct/0003.html
16:12:58 <paulc> ... observer seats will be FCFS
16:13:11 <paulc> ... Paul and Janina will coordinate seats for the joint meetings
16:13:13 <Zakim> +??P20
16:13:30 <tantek> Zakim, ??P20 is me
16:13:30 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
16:13:30 <paulc> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda
16:13:39 <tantek> Regrets for the TPAC f2f meeting
16:13:46 <tantek> I will be in AB/AC meetings :/
16:14:01 <paulc> Topic: Future meetings
16:14:07 <paulc> Sam: No telecon next week (October 23nd), or during TPAC (October 30).
16:14:33 <tantek> aside: Thanks for the work on http://dev.w3.org/html5/2014/10/url-ref.html
16:14:45 <tantek> it does seem like an improvement - per what I brought up a few weeks ago
16:15:04 <paulc> ... we'll likely not have a meeting the week after TPAC (November 6) and will meet next on Thu Nov 13
16:15:19 <paulc> paulc: Be aware of DST changes in November
16:16:34 <paulc> Janina: Europer changes off DST the week before TPAC
16:17:09 <paulc> Paul: This will impact the start time of the F2F meeting in Europe for remote participants
16:17:27 <paulc> Paul: I will add the timeandate.com information to the F2F Agenda
16:17:43 <paulc> Topic: Adjournment
16:17:55 <Zakim> -Plh
16:17:57 <paulc> Meeting was adjounred at :17.  See everyone at TPAC.
16:17:57 <Zakim> -Sam
16:17:59 <Zakim> -tantek
16:18:00 <Zakim> -janina
16:18:02 <Zakim> -gregDavis
16:18:04 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:18:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
16:18:16 <Zakim> -paulc
16:18:17 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:18:17 <Zakim> Attendees were paulc, janina, Sam, Plh, gregDavis, tantek
16:18:49 <rubys> tantek: by "-per what I brought up", did you mean "-over what I brought up"?
16:19:20 <tantek> rubys: I meant on the topic of what I brought up
16:19:59 <tantek> linking to the live URL spec does seem better than the static snapshot since there are still changes / fixes that need to be made, per all the research/tests you posted about
16:20:46 <tantek> This I found a bit funny though:
16:20:48 <tantek> "Most of the URL-related terms used in the HTML specification (URL, absolute URL, relative URL, relative schemes, scheme component, scheme data, username, password, host, port, path, query, fragment, percent encode, get the base, and UTF-8 percent encode) can be straightforwardly mapped to the terminology of [RFC3986] and [RFC3987]."
16:20:53 <rubys> that link is indeed in the recommendation.  I'll note that Mozilla's official feedback to the AC was different than this.
16:21:16 <tantek> per my own research about that http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces#ud
16:21:16 <rubys> tantek: funny?
16:22:08 <tantek> as in - I do not find it to be "straightforwardly"
16:22:32 <tantek> that reminds me that I need to add a row to that table for the URL spec
16:23:12 <rubys> In many cases, the URL spec uses both sets of terms (DOM like and IETF like)
16:23:38 <rubys> As a concrete example, you will find both scheme and protocol in the URL Standard.
16:25:56 <tantek> indeed - I had a long discussion with annevk about that early on.
16:26:05 <tantek> he's quite aware of my blog post on the subject
16:33:19 <rubys> BTW, my latest results include nodejs and rust-url, and more accurate data on IE: http://intertwingly.net/stories/2014/10/16/urltest-results/
16:34:43 <rubys> And resulted in multiple bugs being field against ie, one such example: https://twitter.com/annevk/status/522762335774330881
16:37:10 <tantek> awesome - nicely done
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