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14:44:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:44:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:44:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago
14:44:20 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:44:20 <trackbot> Date: 16 October 2014
14:44:26 <janina> agenda?
14:44:30 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:44:30 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:44:33 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2014
14:44:35 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc  Progress
14:44:38 <janina> agenda+ Alt Note Status
14:44:40 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D -- Missing requirement in the CR spec
14:44:43 <janina> agenda+ TF Work Items (HTML.Next)
14:44:45 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:44:48 <janina> agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:44:51 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:48:52 <janina> zakim, next item
14:48:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:49:16 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:49:23 <Zakim> +??P22
14:49:30 <janina> zakim, ??P22 is me
14:49:30 <Zakim> +janina; got it
14:58:29 <paulc> paulc has joined #html-a11y
14:59:18 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:59:39 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:59:39 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:00:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:39 <hober> hober has joined #html-a11y
15:01:40 <Zakim> +Judy
15:01:59 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-a11y
15:02:02 <Zakim> +Adrian_Roselli
15:02:29 <Zakim> +JF
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15:02:52 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson
15:02:52 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
15:02:53 <plh> plh has joined #html-a11y
15:02:57 <Zakim> +Plh
15:03:01 <aardrian> zakim, who is here?
15:03:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, paulc, LJWatson, Judy, Adrian_Roselli, JF, Plh
15:03:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see plh, aardrian, LJWatson, Judy, hober, paulc, Zakim, RRSAgent, newtron, MarkS, IanPouncey, cabanier, joanie, janina, sivoais_, liam, trackbot
15:03:08 <LJWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson
15:03:15 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
15:03:24 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
15:03:25 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
15:03:25 <Zakim> 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:03:25 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2014 [from janina]
15:03:25 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc  Progress [from janina]
15:03:26 <Zakim> 4. Alt Note Status [from janina]
15:03:26 <Zakim> 5. Canvas 2D -- Missing requirement in the CR spec [from janina]
15:03:26 <Zakim> 6. TF Work Items (HTML.Next) [from janina]
15:03:27 <Zakim> 7. Other Business [from janina]
15:03:27 <Zakim> 8. Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:03:27 <Zakim> 9. be done [from janina]
15:03:45 <LJWatson> zakim, takeup item 1
15:03:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup item 1', LJWatson
15:03:53 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
15:03:54 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 1
15:03:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:03:57 <Zakim> + +1.609.759.aaaa
15:04:03 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 1
15:04:03 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:04:04 <joanie> Zakim, I am Joanmarie_Diggs
15:04:05 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:04:05 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2014 [from janina]
15:04:05 <Zakim> ok, joanie, I now associate you with Joanmarie_Diggs
15:04:15 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:04:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2014" taken up [from janina]
15:05:27 <aardrian> zakim, who is here?
15:05:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, paulc, LJWatson, Judy, Adrian_Roselli, JF, Plh, Joanmarie_Diggs, +1.609.759.aaaa
15:05:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see plh, aardrian, LJWatson, Judy, hober, paulc, Zakim, RRSAgent, newtron, MarkS, IanPouncey, cabanier, joanie, janina, sivoais_, liam, trackbot
15:05:34 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, paulc, LJWatson, Judy, Adrian_Roselli, JF, Plh, Joanmarie_Diggs, +1.609.759.aaaa
15:05:51 <Zakim> + +1.617.319.aabb
15:06:10 <MarkS> zakim, aabb is MarkS
15:06:11 <Zakim> +MarkS; got it
15:06:22 <Zakim> -Judy
15:06:39 <Zakim> +Judy
15:07:14 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:07:26 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:07:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, paulc, LJWatson, Adrian_Roselli, JF, Plh, Joanmarie_Diggs, +1.609.759.aaaa, MarkS, Judy, Cynthia_Shelly
15:08:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:08:24 <IanPouncey> Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:08:24 <Zakim> +IanPouncey; got it
15:09:54 <janina> Resource: TPAC 2014
15:09:54 <janina> HTML-WG:        https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda
15:09:54 <janina> PF-WG:          http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/tp2014
15:09:54 <janina> Main Page:      http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
15:09:55 <janina> 
15:09:59 <LJWatson> JS: Some tweaks to PF agenda based on requests.
15:10:28 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:10:31 <janina> Resource: TPAC 2014
15:10:32 <janina> HTML-WG:        https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda
15:10:32 <janina> PF-WG:          http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/tp2014
15:10:32 <janina> Main Page:      http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
15:10:35 <janina> 
15:10:55 <LJWatson> JS: Please participate and/or monitor the agenda.
15:11:14 <LJWatson> JS: We're expecting a certain amount of telecon participation.
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15:11:30 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:11:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:11:48 <LJWatson> DM: Will remote participation info be posted?
15:12:01 <LJWatson> JS: It's already available from the URLs posted above.
15:12:26 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:12:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Longdesc  Progress" taken up [from janina]
15:13:10 <LJWatson> JB: Decision is not out yet. Hoping it'll be soon.
15:13:23 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 2
15:13:23 <Zakim> agendum 2, TPAC 2014, closed
15:13:24 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:13:24 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc  Progress [from janina]
15:13:28 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:13:28 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Alt Note Status" taken up [from janina]
15:14:03 <LJWatson> JS: We may have made progress this week. New draft from Steve that takes into account some of the suggestions made.
15:14:25 <LJWatson> JS: It seems to be in sync with the guidance in the HTML5.0 spec.
15:15:28 <LJWatson> JS: A lote of people want to see a heartbeat. Given new draft, seems reasonable to get a heartbeat published.
15:15:48 <LJWatson> s/lote/lot/
15:16:15 <LJWatson> JS: Process would be for a CFC. If we can shave a little time off the CFC, we culd push the heartbeat through.
15:16:28 <LJWatson> s/culd/could/
15:16:34 <paulc> What is the link to the candidate heartbeat document?
15:16:58 <janina> q?
15:17:01 <LJWatson> JS: Might then be possible to publish on 5th Nov.
15:17:03 <paulc> q+
15:17:33 <LJWatson> JF: Concern expressed in email to list - worried about documentation issues, but it's not a showstopper.
15:17:55 <LJWatson> JF: Suggested two possible solutions, but open to alternatives.
15:17:57 <janina> q?
15:18:01 <janina> ack p
15:18:17 <LJWatson> PC: Do we have a document as a saveable URL?
15:18:45 <janina> q?
15:18:47 <LJWatson> PC: Liam has sent regrets for next couple of weeks, who will handle the process/publication?
15:19:12 <LJWatson> JB: We can check with Michael.
15:19:43 <paulc> Best link is probably: http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/c56027b5d9125b40695c7fbc128af918515273f7/index.html
15:19:44 <janina> q?
15:20:43 <LJWatson> PC: If the doc fails publication rules, someone will need to step in quickly.
15:21:08 <LJWatson> JB: I'll speak to Michael about him stepping in, in Liam's absence.
15:21:13 <janina> q?
15:21:29 <LJWatson> PLH: Once we have ok from WG to publish, I canmake sure it happens as well.
15:21:33 <LJWatson> JS: Thanks.
15:21:39 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:21:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:22:16 <LJWatson> JS: We'd need to get the link to the stable link added, but could go for CFC.
15:22:25 <LJWatson> PLH: Don't need to add the link to go for CFC though.
15:22:37 <LJWatson> JF: Suggestion is for something more human readable.
15:23:21 <paulc> The publication URL will probably be http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-html-alt-techniques-20141023/ if the publication is on Oct 23 (next Thu)
15:23:36 <LJWatson> JS: It looks appropriate to me, to publish as heartbeat.
15:24:52 <LJWatson> PLH: I can prep the doc for the webmaster today.
15:25:03 <paulc> The HTML5 reference can be updated from the June LC to the Sep PR
15:25:36 <LJWatson> JS: No objections for PF/TF CFC to run in parallel?
15:26:27 <LJWatson> JS: If that's possible, maybe the CFC could point to a version with those fixes?
15:26:44 <LJWatson> PLH: Can't be sure of webmaster's time.
15:26:48 <LJWatson> JS: Will note.
15:26:49 <David> +1 on heartbeat
15:26:56 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:26:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:27:36 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:27:36 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Canvas 2D -- Missing requirement in the CR spec" taken up [from janina]
15:28:22 <LJWatson> JS: Any updates?
15:28:46 <LJWatson> MS: Were scheduled to meet, had to postpone until tomorrow.
15:28:49 <paulc> oct 17 Canvas agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2014OctDec/0016.html
15:29:02 <LJWatson> MS: It's been difficult to find time.
15:29:18 <LJWatson> MS: Think we need a spec change to clarify whether hit regions will inform accessibility APIs.
15:29:20 <paulc> Test page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Canvas_Task_Force/CR-Test
15:30:39 <LJWatson> JS: Our assumption is that we should test as though this has been resolved. Rich has contributed test cases for this scenario.
15:30:48 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:30:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TF Work Items (HTML.Next)" taken up [from janina]
15:30:57 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:31:06 <LJWatson> JS: Need a report from Chaals.
15:31:36 <LJWatson> JB: Other people are working on other items?
15:31:47 <LJWatson> JS: Yes, will be discussing at TPAC.
15:32:21 <LJWatson> JS: Among other things, PF and SVG have a TF forming, and propose a taxonomy for graphics accessibility that will involve HTML.
15:33:03 <LJWatson> JS: Part of time will be PF, HTML and Digital publishing to discuss new ARIA features.
15:33:50 <LJWatson> JS: Expect discussions on aria-describedat.
15:34:15 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:34:16 <David> footnote discussion http://davidmacd.com/blog/html51-footnotes.html
15:35:14 <LJWatson> JS: We have agreement for the alt doc, but it's clear there are still issues - please file bugs.
15:36:06 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:36:06 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:36:37 <LJWatson> PC: TAG has been reviewing the EME working draft.
15:37:00 <LJWatson> PC: As a result, 3 bugs have been filed. One is a statement that EME should be as accessible as any other part of the open web platform.
15:37:13 <LJWatson> zakim, who is noisy?
15:37:23 <Zakim> LJWatson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: janina (79%), paulc (8%)
15:37:40 <paulc> Media TF action item: https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/66
15:37:52 <paulc> See also: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Oct/0025.html
15:38:22 <paulc> See the thread bugs listed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Oct/0042.html
15:38:44 <Judy> q+
15:38:46 <janina> q?
15:38:48 <LJWatson> JF: TPAC 3 years ago we talked about accessibility of EME, particularly around encryption. Consensus at the time seemed to be that it wasn't a problem. Do we have work to do?
15:39:19 <LJWatson> PC: In 2 out of 3 bugs I responded immediately because it wasn't clear that the TAG bugs were clear enough - they didn't rrequest specific changes.
15:39:56 <LJWatson> PC: Didn't ask the same question of the 3rd (accessibility related) bug. If someone wh ois familiar with the situation/history wants to respond that would be welcome.
15:40:04 <janina> ack ju
15:40:14 <paulc> EME bug related to A11Y: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27054
15:40:41 <LJWatson> JB: The bug looks to me like a statement of principle.
15:41:27 <janina> q?
15:41:29 <LJWatson> MS: We were reasonably sure there were no accessibility implications. There were no plans to implement those features we thought would cause accessibility problems.
15:41:50 <LJWatson> JB: We can look back at those features, and check to make sure nothing has changed.
15:42:03 <LJWatson> JB: Do we have those features documented?
15:42:09 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:42:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:42:44 <LJWatson> JF: I'll do the forensics and post a reply to the bug.
15:43:11 <LJWatson> action: John Foliot to update list of possible EME features at accessibility risk, and reply to TAG bug.
15:43:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-285 - Foliot to update list of possible eme features at accessibility risk, and reply to tag bug. [on John Foliot - due 2014-10-23].
15:43:38 <LJWatson> JS: There are examples of encrypted content being transmitted accessibility today.
15:44:37 <LJWatson> JS: Proof will be in the pudding though.
15:44:45 <paulc> There are EME implmentations today from MSFT and Google that A11Y TF experts could use to test
15:46:27 <LJWatson> PC: People are welcome to ping the media WG to help test these.
15:47:32 <LJWatson> ACTION: Janina Sajka to work with John Foliot and Mark Sadeckit to test accessibility of available EME examples.
15:47:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-286 - Sajka to work with john foliot and mark sadeckit to test accessibility of available eme examples. [on Janina Sajka - due 2014-10-23].
15:48:23 <LJWatson> IP: There will be people in BBC R&D interested, will check with them for input.
15:49:02 <LJWatson> PC: Believe BBC people are tracking the Media WG work.
15:49:13 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:49:51 <LJWatson> JS: Reminder that we had a deadline for comments against Media User Requirements doc. We received some comments.
15:50:08 <LJWatson> JS: Will be discussed at TPAC.
15:50:29 <LJWatson> JS: We should be able to finalise the doc before end of year.
15:51:08 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:51:11 <Zakim> -janina
15:51:12 <Zakim> -LJWatson
15:51:12 <Zakim> -Plh
15:51:13 <Zakim> -MarkS
15:51:13 <Zakim> -Joanmarie_Diggs
15:51:14 <Zakim> -JF
15:51:15 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:51:16 <Zakim> -IanPouncey
15:51:16 <Zakim> -Adrian_Roselli
15:51:17 <Zakim> -Judy
15:51:17 <Zakim> - +1.609.759.aaaa
15:52:16 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:54:02 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:54:15 <LJWatson> Chair: Janina Sajka
15:54:58 <LJWatson> rrsagent, stop log
15:54:58 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop log', LJWatson.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:55:10 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:55:20 <LJWatson> zakim, please part
15:55:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were janina, paulc, Judy, Adrian_Roselli, JF, LJWatson, Plh, Joanmarie_Diggs, +1.609.759.aaaa, +1.617.319.aabb, MarkS, Cynthia_Shelly,
15:55:20 <Zakim> Zakim has left #html-a11y
15:55:32 <LJWatson> rrsagent, please part
15:55:32 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-actions.rdf :
15:55:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Foliot to update list of possible EME features at accessibility risk, and reply to TAG bug. [1]
15:55:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-irc#T15-43-11
15:55:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janina Sajka to work with John Foliot and Mark Sadeckit to test accessibility of available EME examples. [2]
15:55:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/16-html-a11y-irc#T15-47-32