13:59:44 RRSAgent has joined #xproc 13:59:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/10/15-xproc-irc 13:59:47 Zakim has joined #xproc 13:59:55 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 13:59:55 Meeting: XML Processing Model WG 13:59:55 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/15-agenda 13:59:55 Date: 15 Oct 2014 13:59:55 Meeting: 253 13:59:58 Chair: Norm 14:00:00 Scribe: Norm 14:00:02 ScribeNick: Norm 14:01:12 Vojtech has joined #xproc 14:02:11 zakim, this is xproc 14:02:11 ok, Norm; that matches XML_PMWG()10:00AM 14:02:15 zakim, who's here? 14:02:15 On the phone I see [IPcaller], Norm, [EMC] 14:02:17 On IRC I see Vojtech, Zakim, RRSAgent, Norm, jfuller, liam 14:02:22 zakim, [IP is jfuller 14:02:22 +jfuller; got it 14:02:27 zakim, [EMC is Vojtech 14:02:27 +Vojtech; got it 14:03:12 Regrets: Alex 14:03:52 no longer a bubble pack! 14:04:30 bubble packaging of GI Joes ... imagine an Alex and Henry superhero figure in one plastic bubble wrap package ... offtopic yes 14:04:37 ah 14:04:55 ht has joined #xproc 14:04:57 +1 to that 14:06:27 are you joining us on the phone, ht? 14:06:55 Topic: Accept this agenda? 14:06:55 -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/15-agenda 14:07:05 Accepted? 14:07:07 +??P21 14:07:08 s/?// 14:07:28 Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting? 14:07:28 -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes 14:07:36 Accepted. 14:07:39 Topic: Next meeting: 22 Oct 2014 14:07:55 No regrets heard. 14:08:22 yes call pls 14:10:23 Norm: No telcon on the 29th, we'll have f2f meetings on the 27th/28th at TPAC 14:10:25 both mornings sounds good to me 14:10:55 Norm: I'll attempt to setup some sort of telepresence on both days at 11:00a CDT (09:00a PDT, 16:00GMT, 17:00BST) 14:11:00 is Mohamed going to attend TPAC ? 14:11:29 Topic: Face-to-face in Edinburgh in ... June? 14:12:06 FYI- I could host a meeting 14:12:10 FWIW 14:12:11 Norm mutters about the value of another f2f. 14:12:20 Henry and Jim both offer to host. 14:12:22 BST ends 26 October 14:13:25 Norm: I don't think we have to plan further now, but let's start imagining we might meet in Europe in the summer. 14:13:37 Topic: Review of open action items 14:14:23 Norm: With respect to A-252-01, I've made some progress. Commit msgs now appear on the comments list. It appears not to be possible to have issues go to the comments list directly. 14:14:28 ... However, I have procmail. 14:15:03 Continued. Norm will get to it asap. 14:15:24 Topic: The "no parameter ports" proposal 14:15:30 -> https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/no-param-ports/head/ 14:16:27 Norm summarizes the changes from last week. 14:17:09 Henry: It's all fine. But I'd like to get some more housekeeping out of the way. 14:17:44 ... The description of c:param and c:param-set are in conflict with this work. 14:19:25 ... Similarly, the descriptions of c:param-set and c:param refer to "parameter inputs" which no longer exist. 14:20:10 ... I think we ought to say something about the mapping of command line input parameters to a parameter map and a recommended way of doing that. 14:20:37 Norm: Yes, I think we should say that. 14:21:37 Vojtech: Isn't this covered by options? 14:21:43 Norm: Yes, of course, parameters are just options now. 14:21:55 Vojtech: How you pass the map is implementation defined. 14:22:40 can the editor remind us of the issue number for this 14:22:45 -> https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/no-param-ports/head/#options 14:22:56 github issue number 14:23:23 Henry: We need to call out the fact that implementations may or may not support some types from the command line. 14:24:25 jfuller: https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/28 14:24:46 Some discussion of how processors might do this. 14:26:18 read it, Henry already covered off .. +1 for accepting pursuant to added story on binding 14:26:37 Vojtech: There's no story about magic binding yet, right? 14:26:39 Norm: Right. 14:27:13 Vojtech: What about backwards compatibility or upgrading. 14:27:22 Norm: We have an issue for that, suggest we revisit when we've made more progress on V2. 14:27:55 Norm proposes to adopt the no-param-ports draft as the status quo. 14:27:55 Any objections? 14:28:09 None heard. So resolved. 14:28:11 +1 for adoption with the mentioned proviso 14:28:55 Topic: Any other business? 14:29:29 could you add for next week review, https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/38 as I published (and will be republishing well before our next meeting) 14:30:06 Yes, apologies, jfuller. An oversite on my part. 14:31:04 s/oversite/oversight/ 14:33:00 its ok, I need to refine it a bit 14:33:01 Adjourned. 14:33:04 will do that in the time remaining 14:33:06 cau 14:33:08 -Norm 14:33:11 -Vojtech 14:33:13 -jfuller 14:33:14 -ht 14:33:16 XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended 14:33:16 Attendees were [IPcaller], Norm, [EMC], jfuller, Vojtech, ht 14:33:24 rrsagent, make logs world-visible 14:33:26 ht has left #xproc 14:33:27 rrsagent draft-minutes 14:33:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:33:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/15-xproc-minutes.html Norm 14:58:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:58:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/15-xproc-minutes.html Norm 15:36:37 lcahlander has joined #xproc 16:25:26 Zakim has left #xproc 16:35:03 jfuller has joined #xproc