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14:22:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2666
14:22:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM scheduled to start in 38 minutes
14:22:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
14:22:11 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2014
14:22:55 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Oct/0037.html
14:23:06 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: Code 2666, Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Oct/0037.html
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14:57:43 <Zakim> +azaroth
14:58:06 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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14:58:36 <azaroth> Present+ Rob_Sanderson
14:58:47 <azaroth> Regrets: Frederick Hirsch
14:58:57 <dauwhe> Present+ Dave_Cramer
14:59:12 <Zakim> +??P5
14:59:17 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
14:59:19 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
14:59:28 <Luc> zakim, ??P5 is me
14:59:28 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
14:59:41 <nickstenn> Present+ Nick_Stenning
14:59:52 <ivan> zakim, code?
14:59:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 2666 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
15:00:03 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:00:12 <Jacob> Jacob has joined #annotation
15:00:28 <Jacob> present+ Jacob_Jett
15:00:48 <Jacob> note that since Tim Cole is out, I'm lurking in the IRC only today. :(
15:01:01 <azaroth> Thanks Jacob
15:01:11 <azaroth> A good trick to not have to scribe ;)
15:01:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:22 <Zakim> +??P13
15:01:25 <nickstenn> Zakim: ipcaller is me
15:01:26 <Zakim> +tripu (was ??P13)
15:01:31 <tripu> zakim, mute me
15:01:31 <Zakim> tripu was already muted, tripu
15:01:33 <nickstenn> Zakim, mute me
15:01:33 <Zakim> sorry, nickstenn, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:01:39 <nickstenn> Zakim: IPcaller is me
15:01:44 <azaroth> I think you need the []s
15:01:48 <Zakim> + +1.864.787.aaaa
15:01:50 <nickstenn> Zakim: [IPcaller] is me
15:01:57 <rayd> rayd has joined #annotation
15:01:58 <nickstenn> hmm
15:01:59 <azaroth> Ahh, Zakim, not Zakim:
15:02:05 <nickstenn> Zakim [IPcaller] is me
15:02:08 <scharf> scharf has joined #annotation
15:02:12 <nickstenn> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:02:13 <Zakim> +nickstenn; got it
15:02:14 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:02:14 <Zakim> + +1.617.768.aabb
15:02:16 <paoloC> paoloC has joined #annotation
15:02:22 <nickstenn> Zakim, mute me
15:02:22 <Zakim> nickstenn should now be muted
15:02:29 <bigbluehat> that's me.
15:02:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> Bill_Kasdorf has joined #annotation
15:02:37 <bigbluehat> used to do magic...not sure what happen
15:02:52 <bigbluehat> Zakim aaaa is me
15:02:53 <azaroth> zakim, aabb is paoloC
15:02:53 <Zakim> +paoloC; got it
15:02:54 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:02:54 <paoloC> Present+ Paolo_Ciccarese
15:02:54 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:02:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:05 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:09 <bigbluehat> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:03:09 <Zakim> +bigbluehat; got it
15:03:23 <aron_> thats me
15:03:32 <aron_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:03:32 <Zakim> +aron_; got it
15:03:33 <azaroth> zakim, [IPcaller] is aron_
15:03:34 <Zakim> sorry, azaroth, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
15:03:35 <azaroth> :)
15:03:38 <tripu> zakim, who's noisy?
15:03:43 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
15:03:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, dauwhe, Luc, Doug_Schepers, nickstenn (muted), tripu (muted), bigbluehat, Ivan (muted), paoloC, aron_, Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, paoloC, scharf, rayd, Jacob, Luc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, aron_, dauwhe, ivan, shepazu, JakeHart, bigbluehat, dwhly, liam, tripu, stain, nickstenn,
15:03:46 <Zakim> ... Mitar, trackbot
15:03:49 <Zakim> tripu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: azaroth (25%), Bill_Kasdorf (14%)
15:04:13 <fjh> fjh has joined #annotation
15:04:47 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:04:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, dauwhe, Luc, Doug_Schepers, nickstenn (muted), tripu (muted), bigbluehat, Ivan (muted), paoloC, aron_, Bill_Kasdorf
15:04:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, paoloC, scharf, rayd, Jacob, Luc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, aron_, dauwhe, ivan, shepazu, JakeHart, bigbluehat, dwhly, liam, tripu, stain,
15:04:50 <Zakim> ... nickstenn, Mitar, trackbot
15:05:20 <Zakim> +gatemezi
15:05:25 <Zakim> + +1.202.707.aacc
15:05:40 <raphael> raphael has joined #annotation
15:05:41 <aron_> zakim, mute me
15:05:41 <Zakim> aron_ should now be muted
15:05:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:53 <ivan> zakim, aacc is rayd
15:05:53 <Zakim> +rayd; got it
15:06:08 <Zakim> + +1.845.665.aadd
15:06:11 <fjh> questionnaire results support having Monday TPAC session with webapps https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/73180/tpac2014/results
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15:06:12 <azaroth> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:13 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Bill_Kasdorf
15:06:34 <raphael> Present+ Raphael_Troncy
15:06:42 <fjh> responses also suggest that chairs have leeway with agenda during day
15:06:55 <azaroth> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:55 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose azaroth
15:07:02 <azaroth> zakim, pick a victim
15:07:02 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose azaroth
15:07:05 <azaroth> zakim, pick a victim
15:07:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [IPcaller]
15:07:32 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:07:32 <azaroth> zakim, pick a victim
15:07:33 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose tripu (muted)
15:07:50 <MGU> MGU has joined #annotation
15:07:52 <fjh> scribe list https://www.w3.org/annotation/wiki/Scribe_List
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15:08:51 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
15:09:06 <Zakim> +??P29
15:09:18 <dauwhe> azaroth: any objections to minutes being approved?
15:09:24 <dauwhe> azaroth: minutes approved
15:09:48 <fjh> RESOLUTION: 8 October 2014 minutes approved: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-annotation-minutes.html
15:09:54 <dauwhe> ... please do Present+ followed by your name
15:09:56 <azaroth> http://www.slideshare.net/azaroth42/multiplicity-and-publishing-in-open-annotation-tutorial
15:10:00 <dauwhe> ... agenda: last slide deck
15:10:13 <fjh> Topic: Extended Data Model Introduction Continued - Multiplicity and Publishing
15:10:15 <dauwhe> ... this is much shorter, so hopefully we'll have more time
15:10:18 <bjdmeest> Present+ bjdmeest
15:10:36 <MGU> zakim, P29 is MGU
15:10:36 <Zakim> sorry, MGU, I do not recognize a party named 'P29'
15:10:37 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_HIrsch(IRC)
15:10:39 <dauwhe> ... if you're interested in model issues, serialization, etc
15:10:48 <dauwhe> ... two reasons to go through the slides
15:10:54 <fjh> Regrets+ Time_Cole
15:10:55 <MGU> zakim, ??P29 is MGU
15:10:55 <Zakim> +MGU; got it
15:10:58 <dauwhe> ... first to give everyone background
15:11:10 <fjh> Present+ Rob_Sanderson
15:11:13 <dauwhe> ... second FPWD of revised model is our first deliverable
15:11:16 <fjh> Chair: Rob_Sanderson
15:11:27 <dauwhe> ... want to get done by TPAC
15:11:39 <Zakim> +Ruben
15:11:41 <dauwhe> ... it's not that we're ignoring apis and achoring
15:11:47 <dauwhe> ... just priorities
15:11:50 <paoloC> q+
15:11:52 <bjdmeest> Zakim, Ruben is me
15:11:52 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
15:11:56 <dauwhe> ... slide 2
15:11:57 <bjdmeest> Zakim, mute me
15:11:57 <Zakim> bjdmeest should now be muted
15:12:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:12:13 <dauwhe> ... issue is semantics of multiple bodies and targets
15:12:41 <JakeHart> Present+ JakeHart
15:12:58 <Luc> Present+ Luc_Moreau
15:13:37 <dauwhe> ... slide 3
15:14:17 <dauwhe> ... issue 1 in github tracker is that this should be ordered list
15:14:34 <dauwhe> ... slide 4
15:15:04 <dauwhe> ... slide 5
15:17:33 <dauwhe> ... slide 8
15:18:06 <dauwhe> ... serialization can be cleaner if match on multiple classes
15:18:34 <shepazu> q+
15:18:48 <azaroth> ack paoloC
15:19:13 <dauwhe> paoloC: another resource for what the community group has been discussion is the wiki
15:19:33 <azaroth> ack shepazu
15:19:56 <paoloC> Open Annotation Community Group Wiki http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/Main_Page
15:20:01 <dauwhe> shepazu: How much of this is about RDF and how much is about data model?
15:20:19 <dauwhe> ... these are considerations put into data model for sake of RDF
15:20:27 <dauwhe> azaroth: the list issue is a compromise
15:20:39 <dauwhe> ... for the difficulty of doing order in graph (???)
15:21:03 <dauwhe> ... the composite is a valuable construct
15:21:37 <paoloC> q+
15:21:52 <dauwhe> ... allows for multiple languages
15:22:00 <dauwhe> ... multiple uris for same content
15:22:17 <dauwhe> ... of the three constructs we have, choice is the most well-used
15:22:31 <dauwhe> ... the issue with lists can be made easier by reversing CG decision
15:22:42 <Luc> q+ why do we restrict ourselves to composite/list, why not dictionary?
15:22:58 <dauwhe> ... serializations would become cleaner
15:23:06 <Luc> q+
15:23:09 <dauwhe> ... I think there's a better compromise for list
15:23:28 <dauwhe> paoloC: I agree
15:23:34 <dauwhe> ... I'm on the fence about composite
15:23:43 <dauwhe> ... when we have multiple targets with nothing else specified
15:24:09 <dauwhe> ... imporant if you want structured annotation
15:24:29 <dauwhe> ... these things that are spread out in doc can be put in formal model
15:24:49 <dauwhe> ... I think composite is important.
15:25:05 <dauwhe> ... on lists, most issues were related to RDF
15:25:14 <dauwhe> ... due to limitations of tech
15:25:23 <dauwhe> shepazu: without addressing composites issue
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15:25:41 <dauwhe> ... is having this composite model the only way of expressing this? Probably.
15:26:04 <dauwhe> ... I'm not saying we shouldn't consider RDF
15:26:21 <dauwhe> ... but I'd like to urge group to consider that we should work on data model first
15:26:31 <dauwhe> ... i.e. separate data model from its serialization
15:26:34 <paoloC> +1
15:26:35 <Jacob> With regards to composites, a use case that popped out of the digital emblematica work here at Illinois was what to do when the annotator is annotating the juxtaposition of two distinct resources.
15:26:54 <dauwhe> ... in CG data model is inseperable from RDF
15:27:05 <dauwhe> ... I want them to be separate
15:27:15 <dauwhe> ... so I can use JSON_LD :)
15:27:43 <dauwhe> paoloC: so abstract model should be independent of serialization?
15:27:54 <dauwhe> shepazu: we can consider issues of serialization
15:28:02 <dauwhe> ... but would like them to be separate
15:28:12 <dauwhe> ... i understand we need RDF serialization
15:28:35 <dauwhe> ... but we may convince lots of people to use the data model who won't be using RDF
15:28:59 <azaroth> q?
15:29:05 <paoloC> q-
15:29:22 <dauwhe> shepazu: lists are hard to express in RDF--I'm not sure how we will get around that
15:29:31 <dauwhe> azaroth: it's not that it's impossible
15:29:40 <dauwhe> ... if you have to expose the plumbing it gets ugly
15:29:54 <dauwhe> ... the current method exposes the plumbing
15:30:02 <dauwhe> ... let's discuss on list
15:30:06 <dauwhe> shepazu: OK
15:30:18 <dauwhe> ???: I understand for multiple targets
15:30:26 <ivan> s/???/Luc/
15:30:28 <dauwhe> ... we may want to distinguish roles of targets
15:30:41 <dauwhe> ... if you come from JSON background you might want dictionaries
15:30:46 <dauwhe> ... key / target pairs
15:31:17 <dauwhe> ... why don't we look at other forms of collections besides lists?
15:31:29 <dauwhe> azaroth: the role of the indiv. target didn't come up
15:31:39 <dauwhe> ... we decided it was too complex to deal with
15:31:45 <dauwhe> paoloC: we started to talk
15:32:03 <dauwhe> ... composite is totally general
15:32:11 <dauwhe> ... I can distinguish role of target in body
15:32:25 <dauwhe> ... with structured body you can qualify targets
15:32:37 <dauwhe> ... we didn't formalize solutions due to infinite vocabs
15:32:45 <dauwhe> ... gets difficult for interop
15:33:00 <dauwhe> ... in body you can talk about target as body has a uri
15:33:07 <dauwhe> ... this gets close to specific use cases
15:33:23 <Luc> ok, i will think about it
15:33:40 <dauwhe> azaroth: let's create issue
15:33:49 <Luc> paolo, yes please give us an example
15:33:50 <dauwhe> paoloC: can you give example
15:34:23 <dauwhe> ... creating a triple out of two targets
15:34:31 <Luc> thanks
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15:34:59 <dauwhe> azaroth: moving on to slide 9
15:35:29 <dauwhe> ... we made explicit choice to not talk about protocols
15:36:15 <dauwhe> ... slide 10
15:36:46 <dauwhe> ... JSON-LD is recommended over RDF/XML
15:37:06 <Luc> ;-)
15:38:22 <dauwhe> ... slide 11
15:38:47 <dauwhe> ... slide 12
15:39:14 <shepazu> q+
15:39:25 <ivan> q+
15:39:28 <dauwhe> ... slide 13
15:39:31 <dauwhe> ... slide 14
15:40:08 <azaroth> ack luc
15:40:17 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
15:40:17 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
15:40:18 <dauwhe> Luc: [is very quiet]
15:40:24 <azaroth> q?
15:40:28 <azaroth> ack shepazu
15:40:34 <dauwhe> shepazu: minor point
15:40:56 <dauwhe> ... in OA CG list, some said "has body"
15:41:02 <dauwhe> ... those sort of RDF-ish predicates
15:41:46 <dauwhe> ... change from has body to body?
15:41:51 <dauwhe> azaroth: that was discussed
15:42:04 <dauwhe> ... there was some support
15:42:17 <dauwhe> ... there was more support for keeping the same predicate names as in the ontology
15:42:21 <dauwhe> ... to avoid confusion
15:42:44 <dauwhe> ... e.g. would be weird to remember body in one place and hasbody in another place
15:43:08 <dauwhe> ... the advantage of JSON-LD is that it looks like JSON, it would be good to have intuitive keys
15:43:13 <paoloC> +1
15:43:23 <dauwhe> shepazu: let's raise as issue
15:43:30 <azaroth> q?
15:43:34 <azaroth> ack ivan
15:43:55 <dauwhe> ivan: content structure in json-ld gives us freedom to use whatever keys we want
15:43:59 <dauwhe> ... should be closer to user
15:44:27 <dauwhe> ... worth noting is that the context key and context value can be completely hidden
15:44:45 <dauwhe> ... can get json-ld through http, as link in http header
15:45:03 <dauwhe> ... if app is not interested in context it can be disregarded, can be delivered for those who want rdf stuff
15:45:23 <dauwhe> azaroth: multiple contexts can exist that do different mappings into same set of predicates
15:45:38 <fjh> zakim, code?
15:45:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 2666 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
15:45:58 <paoloC> q+
15:46:09 <azaroth> ack paoloC
15:46:13 <dauwhe> paoloC: there's a framing issue
15:46:26 <dauwhe> ... it's possible to frame JSON-LD so it looks always the same
15:46:51 <dauwhe> ... framing with multiple graphs is not yet supported
15:47:00 <dauwhe> ivan: json framing is not part of rec
15:47:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:47:15 <dauwhe> paoloC: I'm using framing extensively
15:47:18 <Luc> Luc notes that we seem to alternate between serialization issues and data models ...
15:47:28 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
15:47:28 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:47:36 <dauwhe> ... I thought framing now is stable, but might be extended
15:47:44 <Luc> s/models/model/
15:47:50 <dauwhe> azaroth: there's an rdf shapes WG, framing would fall in there
15:47:57 <dauwhe> ... talk to Phil Archer?
15:48:03 <azaroth> q?
15:48:20 <dauwhe> azaroth: slide 15
15:48:48 <shepazu> q+
15:48:50 <dauwhe> ... slide 16
15:49:06 <dauwhe> shepazu: I'm not happy with the way you framed either CSS or SVG
15:49:13 <dauwhe> ... i think it's unduly limited
15:49:25 <dauwhe> azaroth: what do you mean by framing?
15:49:43 <dauwhe> shepazu: I was using it in the sense of human language, the way you expressed it and limited it
15:49:49 <dauwhe> ... i have suggestions.
15:49:52 <dauwhe> azaroth: excellet
15:49:59 <dauwhe> s/excellet/excellent/
15:50:09 <fjh> Present- Frederick_HIrsch(IRC)
15:50:11 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:50:11 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:50:12 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
15:50:35 <Zakim> -fjh
15:50:52 <dauwhe> ... slide 17
15:51:05 <dauwhe> ... slide 18
15:52:18 <dauwhe> ... slide 19
15:53:13 <dauwhe> ... slide 20
15:53:45 <dauwhe> ... slide 21
15:54:22 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is paying attention?
15:54:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.
15:54:38 <dauwhe> ... slide 22
15:55:24 <dauwhe> ... slide 23-24
15:55:51 <azaroth> q?
15:55:53 <dauwhe> ... questions?
15:55:57 <shepazu> q+
15:55:58 <azaroth> ack shepazu
15:56:08 <dauwhe> shepazu: this isn't a question
15:56:15 <dauwhe> ... want to clarify
15:56:30 <dauwhe> ... when will we be publishing this as FPWD?
15:56:46 <dauwhe> ... do we need to solve some of these issues first?
15:57:02 <dauwhe> ... splitting out data model from RDF, deciding how the data model will be expressed
15:57:14 <dauwhe> ... I'd be more inclined to getting a draft out early, then revising
15:57:21 <dauwhe> .. with quick iterations
15:57:28 <dauwhe> ... rather getting everything perfect
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15:58:02 <dauwhe> azaroth: we should do some work before FPWD
15:58:12 <ivan> q+
15:58:13 <dauwhe> ... this is a working group that is doing stuff
15:58:19 <paoloC> q+
15:58:25 <dauwhe> ... rather than cut/paste from CG spec
15:58:35 <dauwhe> ... which might give impression of rubber-stamping
15:58:40 <azaroth> ack ivan
15:58:41 <dauwhe> shepazu: I'm sympathetic to that
15:59:08 <azaroth> +1\
15:59:12 <dauwhe> ivan: Let's rework document so that it is fundamentally JSON-LD based
15:59:15 <shepazu> +1
15:59:22 <Zakim> - +1.845.665.aadd
15:59:24 <dauwhe> ... we should do that before FPWD
15:59:35 <dauwhe> ... once that's done, the details of the models and open issues
15:59:52 <dauwhe> ... let's put it out to make it clear what we're working on
16:00:06 <azaroth> q?
16:00:09 <dauwhe> ... if we can rework towards JSON-LD, let's publish then, address issues later
16:00:26 <dauwhe> shepazu: that particular change would be biggest symbol we could send to community
16:00:32 <azaroth> ack paoloC
16:00:58 <dauwhe> paoloC: good idea to rework spec using JSON-LD
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16:01:15 <dauwhe> ... we say use JSON but all our slides don't use it
16:01:28 <dauwhe> ... mixed feelings about putting it out right away
16:01:41 <ivan> q+
16:01:44 <dauwhe> ... we mix up core and extensions in single namespace
16:01:52 <Luc> q+
16:02:05 <azaroth> ack ivan
16:02:10 <dauwhe> shepazu: quick straw poll?
16:02:31 <dauwhe> ... should we convert to JSON before FPWD?
16:02:33 <nickstenn> +1
16:02:35 <paoloC> +1
16:02:35 <azaroth> +1 to converting
16:02:39 <ivan> +1 +1
16:02:40 <MGU> +1
16:02:41 <bigbluehat> +1 to converting
16:02:42 <dauwhe> ... is converting to JSON sufficient for FPWD?
16:02:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:02:48 <rayd> don't care
16:02:52 <azaroth> -1 to sufficient
16:02:56 <bjdmeest> +0
16:02:56 <paoloC> +0
16:02:58 <bigbluehat> +0 on the FPWD part
16:02:58 <MGU> +0
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16:03:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> +0 to sufficient
16:03:24 <Luc> q?
16:03:44 <dauwhe> ivan: one more thing
16:03:59 <shepazu> +1 to converting, +1 to sufficient for FPWD
16:04:12 <dauwhe> ... if we use JSON-LD then whole issue of namespaces becomes secondary
16:04:19 <dauwhe> ... since they can be hidden in the context
16:04:23 <azaroth> +1 to ivan :)
16:04:31 <dauwhe> ... it has effect on formal RDF output
16:04:35 <paoloC> +1 sounds good
16:04:37 <dauwhe> ... but that is not crucial issue
16:04:46 <dauwhe> ... it is cheating, but helpful :)
16:05:00 <dauwhe> ... let's people concentrate on important things
16:05:03 <azaroth> q?
16:05:10 <azaroth> ack Luc
16:05:27 <dauwhe> Luc: what does group mean by data model?
16:05:49 <dauwhe> ... data model needs to be expressed in ??? language
16:05:59 <bjdmeest> s/???/schema/
16:06:00 <ivan> s/???/schema/
16:06:03 <dauwhe> ... that should be in FPWD
16:06:21 <dauwhe> ivan: what do you mean by schema language in this case?
16:06:34 <dauwhe> Luc: UML or JSON schema
16:06:42 <dauwhe> ... even OWL
16:06:45 <shepazu> relaxng?
16:06:49 <dauwhe> ... lots of possibilities
16:07:36 <shepazu> WebIDL?
16:07:37 <dauwhe> ivan: the RDF is used to express data model
16:07:50 <dauwhe> ... the OA guys have formal schema for data model
16:08:00 <dauwhe> ... it's down there in the deep roots
16:08:01 <azaroth> thanks Dave!
16:08:08 <dauwhe> ... I don't need to do some things specific
16:08:15 <dauwhe> shepazu: let's do on list
16:08:33 <dauwhe> azaroth: thanks everyone! Let's discuss some things on list
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16:09:02 <raphael> +1 on converting and using consistently JSON-LD examples
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16:10:20 <azaroth> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/15-annotation-minutes.html azaroth
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