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13:58:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
13:58:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:58:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:58:32 <trackbot> Date: 09 October 2014
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14:00:20 <glenn> zakim, this is 8865
14:00:20 <Zakim> glenn, this was already SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
14:00:21 <Zakim> ok, glenn; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
14:00:38 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:00:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.720.897.aaaa, +41.22.717.aacc, +1.408.771.aabb
14:00:39 <mike> regrets for today. apologies.
14:00:48 <glenn> zakim, aaaa is me
14:00:48 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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14:01:47 <tmichel> zakim, ??P7 is me
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14:02:26 <Zakim> +pal
14:02:30 <nigel> Present: courtney, Frans, glenn, nigel, tmichel, pal
14:02:33 <nigel> chair: nigel
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14:02:46 <glenn> zakim, aabb is courtney
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14:02:54 <nigel> Present+ jdsmith
14:03:05 <nigel> Regrets: none
14:03:11 <nigel> scribeNick: nigel
14:03:23 <nigel> Regrets+ mdolan
14:03:40 <nigel> Topic: This meeting
14:04:08 <glenn> zakim, aacc is Frans
14:04:08 <Zakim> +Frans; got it
14:07:21 <nigel> nigel: I've created a git repo for the TTML <--> WebVTT mappings from Geneva. If folk could either add their own and send a pull request to me or
14:07:45 <nigel> ... just email me the files then I'll put them in. Then I'll send a pull request to the main w3c repo to get them included.
14:08:00 <nigel> courtney: I'd request that people check their work before submitting.
14:09:02 <nigel> Topic: Santa Clara F2F October (TPAC)
14:09:14 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac2014
14:09:57 <nigel> nigel: There's a request to deal with the IMSC 1 comments and the Codecs registry item on the Monday.
14:11:24 <nigel> nigel: If folk could add their names to the Attendees table on the wiki page that would be very helpful.
14:11:44 <nigel> Topic: IMSC 1 WD Comments
14:11:53 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttml-imsc1-20140930/
14:13:26 <nigel> nigel: I suggest we discuss offline and then agree responses at TPAC.
14:13:51 <nigel> pal: I would typically wait until the review period has ended, and work on responses in time for TPAC.
14:14:39 <nigel> tmichel: Typically the person to whom the comment is assigned should prepare a response, then agree it with the WG, then send to the commenter and get their responses.
14:14:54 <nigel> ... I have some guidance documentation for this tool which I can share.
14:15:24 <nigel> ... I will send this guide out.
14:15:43 <nigel> ... For the procedure, I will track the comments, then add each one. When there are multiple issues raised in a single email I will split them.
14:16:10 <nigel> ... I can then assign to people, or we can just assign them in the weekly meetings. The field "Working Group Notes" is for input.
14:16:34 <nigel> ... Then at the F2F the WG should find a resolution for each proposal. Then the Submit button makes the issue 'ready to send' to the commenter.
14:16:48 <nigel> ... Then we send, and request approval from the commenter - there's a range of responses permitted.
14:17:20 <nigel> nigel: Thank you. Can we assign the comments now?
14:17:25 <nigel> pal: Please assign them to me.
14:17:34 <nigel> tmichel: Okay, I will do.
14:17:54 <nigel> ... When comments are just a 'set of typos' etc we should keep them as single comment to manage the workload.
14:18:29 <nigel> Topic: TTML2 Timeline
14:20:38 <nigel> nigel: Describes timeline as set out in emails and agenda.
14:20:48 <tmichel> Last cAll is abolished in the new process
14:21:47 <nigel> glenn: Implementation activity may mean that we need upwards of 3 months in CR.
14:22:25 <nigel> Topic: Action Items pending review
14:22:42 <nigel> action-331?
14:22:42 <trackbot> action-331 -- Nigel Megitt to Contact cyril requesting git repository instructions for the tests. -- due 2014-09-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:22:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/331
14:23:42 <nigel> nigel: I've done this. Incidentally I've put all the existing dfxp tests into github too.
14:23:59 <nigel> https://github.com/nigelmegitt/web-platform-tests/tree/ttwg/ttml
14:24:23 <nigel> close action-331
14:24:23 <trackbot> Closed action-331.
14:24:32 <nigel> action-336?
14:24:32 <trackbot> action-336 -- Nigel Megitt to Add codecs registry to f2f agenda at tpac -- due 2014-10-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:24:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/336
14:24:58 <nigel> action-336: [TTWG meeting] We will cover this on the Monday.
14:24:58 <trackbot> Notes added to action-336 Add codecs registry to f2f agenda at tpac.
14:25:02 <nigel> close action-336
14:25:02 <trackbot> Closed action-336.
14:25:10 <nigel> action-337?
14:25:10 <trackbot> action-337 -- Nigel Megitt to Update TTML2 publication timeline -- due 2014-10-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:25:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/337
14:25:19 <nigel> close action-337
14:25:19 <trackbot> Closed action-337.
14:25:36 <nigel> Topic: Action items overdue
14:25:48 <nigel> action-332?
14:25:48 <trackbot> action-332 -- Glenn Adams to Add schema support for ISD vocabulary -- due 2014-10-01 -- OPEN
14:25:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/332
14:26:15 <nigel> glenn: That's still ongoing pending some refinements I'm making on the vocabulary.
14:26:35 <nigel> ... I've been implementing support for the ISD format in TTV so I've been experimenting on that vocabulary and refining it a little bit.
14:27:05 <nigel> ... I'm folding the changes into Annex C as I go.
14:27:39 <nigel> action-332: Moving due date to TPAC (TTWG meeting)
14:27:39 <trackbot> Notes added to action-332 Add schema support for ISD vocabulary.
14:27:51 <nigel> action-333?
14:27:51 <trackbot> action-333 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a one pager to cover the plan for the director's meeting for taking imsc1 to cr. -- due 2014-10-02 -- OPEN
14:27:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/333
14:28:32 <nigel> action-333: Moving due date to TPAC (TTWG meeting)
14:28:32 <trackbot> Notes added to action-333 Create a one pager to cover the plan for the director's meeting for taking imsc1 to cr..
14:29:11 <nigel> Topic: Issues discussed and Pending Review
14:29:19 <nigel> issue-228?
14:29:19 <trackbot> issue-228 -- Ruby text support -- pending review
14:29:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/228
14:30:10 <nigel> glenn: I added an offset, so this covers all the requested features.
14:30:18 <nigel> close issue-228
14:30:18 <trackbot> Closed issue-228.
14:30:39 <nigel> glenn: I note that there's no mapping in CSS for the offset feature, but at least authors may express the intent.
14:30:52 <nigel> issue-276?
14:30:52 <trackbot> issue-276 -- ttp:version vs ttp:profile vs ttp:contentProfile -- pending review
14:30:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/276
14:31:13 <nigel> Frans: for me this is okay to close
14:31:29 <nigel> issue-276: frans has reviewed.
14:31:29 <trackbot> Notes added to issue-276 ttp:version vs ttp:profile vs ttp:contentProfile.
14:31:55 <nigel> close issue-276
14:31:55 <trackbot> Closed issue-276.
14:32:31 <nigel> issue-345?
14:32:31 <trackbot> issue-345 -- tts:overflow - ambiguous language about region extent -- pending review
14:32:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/345
14:33:08 <nigel> close issue-345
14:33:08 <trackbot> Closed issue-345.
14:33:20 <nigel> issue-346?
14:33:20 <trackbot> issue-346 -- Need ttp:mediaDuration parameter -- pending review
14:33:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/346
14:34:05 <nigel> nigel: I wonder if this is related to the related media object timing discussion for TPAC.
14:34:16 <nigel> glenn: It's independent of the media offset feature.
14:34:56 <nigel> ... There was a question about whether it's metadata or a parameter. There will be a normative use (processor behaviour) for the ISD mapping, so it will be a parameter.
14:35:06 <nigel> close issue-346
14:35:07 <trackbot> Closed issue-346.
14:36:13 <nigel> issue-347?
14:36:13 <trackbot> issue-347 -- Define ISD Syntax for both UA internal use and interchange. -- pending review
14:36:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/347
14:37:29 <nigel> glenn: This was done. I added the issue to track the change I wanted to make.
14:37:45 <nigel> nigel: We haven't really discussed this so it would be good to go through your reasons and solution at TPAC.
14:38:16 <nigel> glenn: Yes, let's go ahead and do that. It's my intention to make ISD an interchangeable format and to that extent I'm effectively defining the schema so that we would
14:38:48 <nigel> ... continue to use the same content type but with a different root element to the tt:tt. Right now TTML documents in the larger sense can either be tt:tt or ttp:profile.
14:39:13 <nigel> ... I'm extending this to add isd:sequence and isd:isd to allow interchange of a sequence of ISD documents or a single ISD.
14:39:36 <nigel> close issue-347
14:39:36 <trackbot> Closed issue-347.
14:39:43 <nigel> issue-348?
14:39:43 <trackbot> issue-348 -- Make metric optional in offset-time form of time expressions. -- pending review
14:39:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/348
14:40:20 <nigel> glenn: Both SMIL and SVG allow the metric to be optional and I frequently find it convenient to drop it, especially when the value is zero.
14:40:35 <nigel> ... I'm proposing making TTML consistent with SMIL and SVG. I've already amended the spec.
14:41:03 <nigel> nigel: This is the first opportunity we've had to discuss this.
14:41:13 <nigel> close issue-348
14:41:14 <trackbot> Closed issue-348.
14:41:24 <nigel> issue-350?
14:41:24 <trackbot> issue-350 -- Add general statement/comment in abstract/introduction that IMSC1 is not a proper subset of TTML1SE. -- pending review
14:41:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/350
14:42:09 <nigel> jdsmith: Does that imply that it extends TTML1?
14:42:11 <nigel> nigel: Yes it does.
14:42:18 <nigel> jdsmith: Are the extensions listed?
14:42:24 <nigel> pal: Yes, Annex D Extensions lists them.
14:42:42 <nigel> close issue-350
14:42:42 <trackbot> Closed issue-350.
14:43:56 <nigel> issue-337?
14:43:56 <trackbot> issue-337 -- Update SDP-US for TTML2 -- open
14:43:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/337
14:44:19 <nigel> issue-337: (TTWG meeting) We resolved not to update SDP-US for TTML2.
14:44:19 <trackbot> Notes added to issue-337 Update SDP-US for TTML2.
14:44:24 <nigel> close issue-337
14:44:24 <trackbot> Closed issue-337.
14:44:54 <nigel> Topic: Change Proposals
14:45:02 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex
14:46:12 <nigel> nigel: CP1 is owned by jdsmith, and covers issue-165 which is closed.
14:46:27 <nigel> ... It doesn't have an Edits Applied section. What do we need to do to close this CP?
14:46:46 <nigel> glenn: No further edits are needed for this. The only action is to update the CP to reflect that the proposed edits no longer apply.
14:47:32 <nigel> ... For example the target element attribute isn't used in the current spec. Targets can be inline and implied, or out of line and have content elements point back using an animate attribute.
14:47:46 <Zakim> -jdsmith
14:47:48 <nigel> ... So the original proposal has morphed a bit. We should update the CP to reflect those changes.
14:48:23 <nigel> Action: glenn Update Change Proposal 1 to reflect new approach and move to CLOSED-IMPLEMENTED.
14:48:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-338 - Update change proposal 1 to reflect new approach and move to closed-implemented. [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-10-16].
14:48:55 <Zakim> +jdsmith
14:49:31 <nigel> jdsmith: I believe the intent of the CP is satisfied.
14:49:36 <nigel> nigel: Change Proposal 12 is the next one, with a whole bunch of profile fixes.
14:49:44 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal012
14:50:21 <nigel> glenn: Now that we've closed issue-276 the only dependent issue is issue-305. That one is really external to the profiling mechanism per se.
14:50:40 <nigel> nigel: I agree - it should be a related issue without a dependency.
14:51:23 <nigel> Action: glenn Fill in the relevant sections of Change Proposal 12 and move it to CLOSED-IMPLEMENTED.
14:51:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-339 - Fill in the relevant sections of change proposal 12 and move it to closed-implemented. [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-10-16].
14:51:40 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal024
14:51:47 <nigel> nigel: The last Pending Close one is CP24
14:52:29 <nigel> action: glenn Update Change Proposal 24 and move to CLOSED-IMPLEMENTED
14:52:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Update change proposal 24 and move to closed-implemented [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-10-16].
14:53:28 <nigel> nigel: I wonder if we can deal with CP17... Oh, we're dependent on issue-179.
14:55:17 <nigel> nigel: I have to do some more work on CP25 too - that's progressing and I intend to update this prior to TPAC and hopefully present the work at TPAC.
14:56:19 <nigel> ... It's going to be interesting to compare and contrast the two approaches of 1) sequence of ISDs and 2) sequence of TTML documents. My view now is that both are valid and valuable.
14:57:01 <Zakim> -glenn
14:57:03 <Zakim> -Frans
14:57:05 <Zakim> -pal
14:57:07 <Zakim> -jdsmith
14:57:10 <Zakim> -courtney
14:57:19 <nigel> nigel: Thanks everyone, we've finished 4 minutes early! We have 1 hour next week.
14:57:26 <Zakim> -nigel
14:57:46 <nigel> rrsagent, make logs public
14:57:54 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:57:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-minutes.html nigel
14:59:19 <nigel> s/Regrets: none/
15:00:09 <nigel> s/Last cAll is abolished in the new process/
15:00:54 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-minutes.html nigel
15:03:20 <nigel> ScribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics
15:03:22 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:03:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-minutes.html nigel
16:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, tmichel, in SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
16:05:01 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:05:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.720.897.aaaa, +1.408.771.aabb, +41.22.717.aacc, glenn, tmichel, nigel, pal, courtney, jdsmith, Frans
16:05:29 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
16:05:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:05:29 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:05:35 <glenn> zakim, bye
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16:05:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:05:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:05:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:05:38 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-actions.rdf :
16:05:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn Update Change Proposal 1 to reflect new approach and move to CLOSED-IMPLEMENTED. [1]
16:05:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-irc#T14-48-23
16:05:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn Fill in the relevant sections of Change Proposal 12 and move it to CLOSED-IMPLEMENTED. [2]
16:05:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-irc#T14-51-23
16:05:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn Update Change Proposal 24 and move to CLOSED-IMPLEMENTED [3]
16:05:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-tt-irc#T14-52-29