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13:54:46 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:54:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:54:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:54:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:54:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:54:51 <trackbot> Date: 09 October 2014
13:54:54 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix, Leandro
13:55:10 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Oct/0003.html
13:55:32 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
13:55:37 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:55:41 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:55:46 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:57:17 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:24 <Zakim> + +1.813.410.aaaa
13:57:32 <r12a> regrets+ David
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13:58:14 <Zakim> +aphillip
13:58:21 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
13:58:21 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
13:58:22 <Zakim> +Richard
13:58:34 <aphillip> zakim, +1.813 is Steve_Atkin
13:58:34 <Zakim> +Steve_Atkin; got it
13:58:40 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
13:58:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Richard
13:58:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
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14:02:45 <Zakim> +JcK
14:03:09 <Zakim> + +1.703.948.aabb
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14:04:01 <aphillip> zakim, +1.703 is DennisTan
14:04:01 <Zakim> +DennisTan; got it
14:04:06 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see JcK, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Richard
14:04:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see DennisTan, JcK, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
14:04:39 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:04:54 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:05:37 <xiaoqian> zakim, call xiaoqian-mobile
14:05:37 <Zakim> ok, xiaoqian; the call is being made
14:05:39 <Zakim> +Xiaoqian
14:06:55 <aphillip> close action-344
14:06:55 <trackbot> Closed action-344.
14:07:46 <aphillip> close action-346
14:07:46 <trackbot> Closed action-346.
14:07:52 <aphillip> close action-348
14:07:52 <trackbot> Closed action-348.
14:08:25 <aphillip> action-349?
14:08:25 <trackbot> action-349 -- Richard Ishida to Put together framework for wiki/document discussing issues and proposals for handling locale of form widgets -- due 2014-10-09 -- OPEN
14:08:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/349
14:09:00 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:09:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:09:33 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:09:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see JcK, DennisTan, Xiaoqian, Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Richard
14:09:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see DennisTan, JcK, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
14:10:21 <aphillip> richard: did an edit on english version of chinese layout requirements
14:10:30 <aphillip> ... which is mainly just the ruby parts
14:10:42 <aphillip> ... will discuss with xiaoqian tomorrow
14:10:44 <xiaoqian> https://clreq.hackpad.com/Ruby_en-LEZdmNzTVUf
14:10:50 <aphillip> ... may not be to fpwd by tpac
14:11:21 <aphillip> xiaoqian: need some more pictures, but would be good to finish by then
14:12:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:12:41 <aphillip> Topic: RADAR
14:12:45 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:14:09 <aphillip> addison: two new docs
14:14:32 <aphillip> steve: will look at XSLT
14:14:38 <aphillip> ... and shepherd
14:15:17 <aphillip> Topic: meeting with Digital Publications IG on Friday afternoon during TPAC
14:15:36 <aphillip> richard: Ivan Herrmann contacted xiaoqian and I
14:15:46 <aphillip> ... and wanted to know if we'd talk to digital pubs group
14:15:54 <aphillip> ... about the latin layout requirements
14:16:05 <aphillip> ... and yes, the whole WG
14:16:20 <aphillip> ... we meet Thurs/Fri
14:16:29 <aphillip> ... and they have time Friday about 2 PM
14:16:35 <aphillip> ... so should all go
14:17:44 <aphillip> action: addison: notify membership that I18N will meet with DigPubs at 3 PM on Friday at TPAC
14:17:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-350 - Notify membership that i18n will meet with digpubs at 3 pm on friday at tpac [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-16].
14:17:56 <aphillip> richard: have a preso to use as a basis
14:18:32 <aphillip> addison: may have some slides for you, but would love to see yorus
14:18:38 <aphillip> richard: can post link
14:18:44 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/talks/1409-china/china2014.pdf
14:18:48 <aphillip> s/yorus/yours/
14:19:32 <aphillip> Topic: Intent to Implement Form Controls Respecting @lang
14:19:49 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Oct/0000.html
14:19:58 <r12a> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blink-dev/QpEoCwU0Ttg
14:19:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:21:57 <aphillip> richard: want two things:
14:22:07 <aphillip> ... 1. auto text controls like select self-localize
14:22:39 <aphillip> ... 2. presentation and dates and numbers is localized unless otherwise specified
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14:25:27 <Zakim> + +1.415.231.aacc
14:26:21 <koji> zakim, +1.415.231.aacc is me
14:26:21 <Zakim> +koji; got it
14:31:19 <r12a> local tagging of language can be useful for mislabelled pages
14:31:37 <r12a> ... and clearer control of legacy pages
14:33:00 <r12a> addison: if you want opt in you'd need something other than lang addition
14:33:20 <r12a> koji: so the idea of adding to form control provides an opt in mechanism
14:34:11 <r12a> steve: we need to avoid potential confusion in the user - so if the html controls clearly indicate what's going on that would help
14:34:28 <r12a> john: that would be a good idea independent of this discussion
14:34:57 <r12a> steve: i don't think the html standard currently requires an input format pattern
14:35:14 <r12a> ... it's 'presentational'
14:35:35 <r12a> ... what if the user chooses a locale thats unavailable - could it be a security risk?
14:36:25 <r12a> koji: also possible security risk of people using format to create misdirection
14:36:44 <r12a> addison: data fields have a prescribed wire format
14:37:10 <r12a> steve: whatever the presentation, it's sent over only in one form
14:38:16 <r12a> john: the browser still needs to interpret what you type to get the conversion correct
14:38:29 <aphillip> 1.000
14:39:59 <r12a> koji: how to be 100% sure about what is being transmitted - that's why we want to investigate to determine whether there are really security issues
14:40:49 <r12a> addison: it also interacts with CSS and other external things that could be used to affect it
14:41:14 <r12a> koji: we seem to be agreeing that this is generally a good idea, but needs careful consideration, and would be good to have a list of things to discuss
14:42:19 <aphillip> addison: should we chime in on discussion?
14:42:44 <r12a> agreement to let them know that we're thinking about it
14:43:41 <aphillip> action: addison: respond to intent to implement @lang in forms with note that we're building a document describing issues
14:43:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-351 - Respond to intent to implement @lang in forms with note that we're building a document describing issues [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-16].
14:44:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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14:49:15 <r12a> addison: what about digit shaping per locale?
14:49:18 <aphillip> addison: digit shaping might happen by default
14:50:19 <aphillip> ... will copy koji and public list on my AI
14:50:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:50:45 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
14:51:22 <aphillip> Topic: What Time Is This Meeting At?
14:51:37 <aphillip> addison: what date would we start? proposed was 13th of November
14:52:02 <aphillip> ... no calls during IUC38 or TPAC
14:52:32 <aphillip> will have new time starting the 13th
14:53:01 <aphillip> action: addison: change teleconference call time starting 13 November
14:53:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-352 - Change teleconference call time starting 13 november [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-16].
14:53:09 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
14:53:38 <Zakim> -Steve_Atkin
14:53:39 <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
14:53:40 <Zakim> -DennisTan
14:53:42 <Zakim> -aphillip
14:53:43 <Zakim> -koji
14:53:52 <aphillip> Regrets+ Mati
14:53:57 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:53:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:54:05 <Zakim> -JcK
14:54:05 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
14:54:07 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
14:54:07 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
14:54:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Richard, Steve_Atkin, JcK, +1.703.948.aabb, DennisTan, Xiaoqian, koji
14:54:30 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Steve, JcK, Dennis, Xiaoqian, Koji
14:54:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:54:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:55:11 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:55:11 <Zakim> apparently I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended, aphillip
14:55:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see fantasai, koji, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, xiaoqian, trackbot
14:55:20 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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14:55:27 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:56:12 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:56:14 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
14:56:14 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-actions.rdf :
14:56:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: notify membership that I18N will meet with DigPubs at 3 PM on Friday at TPAC [1]
14:56:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-irc#T14-17-44
14:56:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: respond to intent to implement @lang in forms with note that we're building a document describing issues [2]
14:56:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-irc#T14-43-41
14:56:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: change teleconference call time starting 13 November [3]
14:56:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-irc#T14-53-01