IRC log of webizen on 2014-10-03

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Zakim, this will be webiz
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ok, koalie; I see Team_JEFF(WEBIZ)9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
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chair: JeffJaffe
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meeting: Webizen Task Force teleconference
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Team_JEFF(WEBIZ)9:00AM has now started
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12:59:49 [veronica]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 93249 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, veronica
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Hi everyone
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13:02:04 [koalie]
Hello Antonio
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Zakim, [I is LéonieWatson
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+LéonieWatson; got it
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+ +44.778.839.aaaa
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Zakim, aaaa is JulianHarriott
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+JulianHarriott; got it
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nice to meet you all :D
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[Jeff starts]
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Jeff: the purpose of this call is for the Webizen TF to use the results of the survey to create a proposal for a Webizen Program
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... that we'd take to W3C management to seek support, next week or the following week
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zakim, agenda?
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I see nothing on the agenda
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... and take it to the W3C Advisory Committee at the end of the month
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-> Consolidated results of the public Webizen survey
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[Ann joins]
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-> Quick overview of public survey we ran between September 10-30
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Jeff: I read the survey results and to me the results flow out of the survey
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... I'll read what I think is obvious from the survey results
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Q1: Should W3C reach out to the broader Web community to create such a
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program for increased affiliation?
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Jeff: 195 people said yes (out of 205)
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Jeff: most of the people chose "show me where to sign up" (87)
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... If all sign up I'm confident that we'd not lose money if we started a program
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Jeff: Should a program be designed as a minimalist program?
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... a decent majority said so
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... my conclusion is that it should start minimalist
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... now, some people said that it should not
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... benefits listed subsequently, but not too much, should be appropriate
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Jeff: with the promise of more benefits later
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Jeff: Question 4 "Should there be benefits that increase W3C posture as a community?"
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Jeff: 133 said yes, 7 said no, 65 said "not important"
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Jeff: [goes over list of ranked popular benefits]
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Jeff: Q6: Should there be tangible benefits to this program (point C)?
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Jeff: Here, my sense is that it's pretty split
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... one quarter said yes, one quarter said no
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... we could skip this altogether
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... but in q7, 90 people said "Discounts of W3C services" would be a nice tangible benefit
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+1 to Training discounts
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Jeff: Is that a reasonable interpretation of the survey?
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Jeff: Q8: "Should there be a mechanism where Webizens are represented at the decision making of W3C (point D)?"
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Jeff: I think we should do that, per results
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Jeff: Q9 shows the survey speaks
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... Program could look like: supporters page and ceo call, one tangible benefit (discount)
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... we'd need to define participant groups
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Jeff: Q10 "Should we name this program the Webizen program?"
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Jeff: That got sufficient opposition to go through the available choices
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... or make another survey
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... and come up with other choices
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... not necessarily before TPAC
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~5 choices
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q+ to offer a nth suggestion
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ack me
13:14:51 [Zakim]
koalie, you wanted to offer a nth suggestion
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Coralie: Web Society?
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Jeff: I like it, it's a valid thing to put in the survey
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my 2 cents: I like Open web supporter, even if I think this name is pretty ok, at least it make sense
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... I wouldn't want to choose it without putting it to scrutiny
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... It sounds like it's competing with Internet Society
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[+1 I thought that too re: compete]
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ack LJWatson
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Léonie: looking at the list we got
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13:16:39 [AnnBassetti]
from the list, I like "W3C Individual Participant" -- because it seems parallel to our other categories
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... some described the program, some the participants of the program
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... should we look at this?
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... Web society, for example, doesn't look at participant
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ack me
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Jeff: Good point; if it describes the people, it's easy to reuse as program nameaa
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ack j
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Julian: do we know the location of the people who took the survey?
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Coralie: Nope, we didn't ask the question and our system didn't have any way to find out
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Jeff: We debated that and chose not to include the question, to not drive prople away
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Jeff: Then we got free flow comments
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... nothing jumped at me as a reason to rethink the whole thing
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Jeff: If we have a consensus, I'll write this up in some formal proposal
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... and propose it to W3M which meets on Wednesdays
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... the AC proposal will be on 27-Oct
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... a proposal which addresses the strong sense from the community that this should allow more engagement in W3C
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... and addresses the concern the AC expressed in June that we do not offer in this program beneftis that are reserved to the AC
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... I think we're in better shape and I hope we are.
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ack ann
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Ann: I thought it was a cool survey
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... interested in geographic source of the responders
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[Coralie too!]
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Ann: The language we use to describe; one commenter said "you refer to Web Developers, what about the rest of us?"
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Ann: I relate to that and wanted to emphasise this
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Jeff: Great point.
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... there was text in question 9, and in the preamble,
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... and you're right, we should not restrict; we think of people by interest, by regions
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Ann: Somebody else spoke to the point of not only wanting to review charters
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... [Ann reads]
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... the point means more than charter review
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... I'm sure we'll have a bunch of iterations
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... that comment was useful
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Jeff: Yes definitely
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... that comment to also speaks to how we create the representation groups
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s/groups/groups (cf. Q9)/
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+1 to Ann's comments
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koalie ++
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Ann: Thanks Coralie for the great work and redoing the survey and dissemination
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Coralie: Thank you!
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Jeff: And Julian we also got good support from your colleague and enhanced our survey
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... please extend our thanks
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Ann: In the background, I had a suggestion on how to advertise this
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... I heard a suggestion to go to FOSDEM to advertise this
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Jeff: FOSDEM is a great conference around open source and linux
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... Yes, that would be a great place for outreach
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Ann: I responded go for it :)
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q+ to mention french web conf next fortnight
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Jeff: AC first, obviously
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ack me
13:27:58 [Zakim]
koalie, you wanted to mention french web conf next fortnight
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Jeff: The whole thing is extremely public
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... no problem telling people what we're up to
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Ann: I think it's a great idea Coralie, the more we can tell and point to
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... in the spirit of Ian sending Advance Notice, this is the sort of situation we're in
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Jeff: We should talk about it, definitely; I meant that holding a booth at fosdem was premature
13:30:25 [veronica]
how about W3C cards with QCR code
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Jeff++ for wrangling this whole effort
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Jeff: I'm not sure we'll have more calls
13:31:32 [AnnBassetti]
yes, indeed!!!
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... I'll send updates in e-mail of course
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Ann: If you want help during TPAC, pairing, let me know
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Jeff: The webizen have spoken, I'll carry their message forward
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Team_JEFF(WEBIZ)9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were koalie, Veronica, Jeff, [IPcaller], LéonieWatson, +44.778.839.aaaa, JulianHarriott, Ann
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, koalie, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate koalie
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