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12:46:10 <koalie> Zakim, this will be webiz
12:46:10 <Zakim> ok, koalie; I see Team_JEFF(WEBIZ)9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
12:46:43 <koalie> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webizen/2014Sep/0064.html
12:46:51 <koalie> chair: JeffJaffe
12:47:11 <koalie> meeting: Webizen Task Force teleconference
12:47:22 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/09/05-webizen-minutes.html Previous (2014-09-05)
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12:59:20 <Zakim> +koalie
12:59:49 <veronica> zakim, code?
12:59:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 93249 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), veronica
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13:00:59 <Zakim> +Jeff
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13:01:57 <antoniofullone> Hi everyone
13:02:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:02:04 <koalie> Hello Antonio
13:02:21 <koalie> Zakim, [I is LéonieWatson
13:02:21 <Zakim> +LéonieWatson; got it
13:03:01 <Zakim> + +44.778.839.aaaa
13:03:16 <koalie> Zakim, aaaa is JulianHarriott
13:03:16 <Zakim> +JulianHarriott; got it
13:03:37 <antoniofullone> nice to meet you all :D
13:04:00 <koalie> [Jeff starts]
13:04:28 <koalie> Jeff: the purpose of this call is for the Webizen TF to use the results of the survey to create a proposal for a Webizen Program
13:04:43 <koalie> ... that we'd take to W3C management to seek support, next week or the following week
13:04:51 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
13:04:51 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:05:00 <koalie> ... and take it to the W3C Advisory Committee at the end of the month
13:05:24 <Zakim> +Ann
13:05:25 <koalie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webizen/2014Oct/0002.html Consolidated results of the public Webizen survey
13:05:29 <koalie> [Ann joins]
13:05:39 <koalie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webizen/2014Oct/0000.html Quick overview of public survey we ran between September 10-30
13:05:59 <koalie> Jeff: I read the survey results and to me the results flow out of the survey
13:06:10 <koalie> ... I'll read what I think is obvious from the survey results
13:06:19 <koalie> [[
13:06:20 <koalie> Q1: Should W3C reach out to the broader Web community to create such a
13:06:21 <koalie> program for increased affiliation?
13:06:22 <koalie> ]]
13:06:44 <koalie> Jeff: 195 people said yes (out of 205)
13:07:05 <koalie> Jeff: most of the people chose "show me where to sign up" (87)
13:07:23 <koalie> ... If all sign up I'm confident that we'd not lose money if we started a program
13:08:08 <koalie> Jeff: Should a program be designed as a minimalist program?
13:08:21 <koalie> ... a decent majority said so
13:08:32 <koalie> ... my conclusion is that it should start minimalist
13:08:39 <koalie> ... now, some people said that it should not
13:08:54 <koalie> ... benefits listed subsequently, but not too much, should be appropriate
13:09:01 <veronica> yes
13:09:11 <koalie> Jeff: with the promise of more benefits later
13:09:28 <koalie> Jeff: Question 4 "Should there be benefits that increase W3C posture as a community?"
13:09:47 <koalie> Jeff: 133 said yes, 7 said no, 65 said "not important"
13:10:34 <AnnBassetti> yup
13:10:37 <koalie> Jeff: [goes over list of ranked popular benefits]
13:10:37 <Julian_> yes
13:10:55 <koalie> Jeff: Q6: Should there be tangible benefits to this program (point C)?
13:11:06 <koalie> Jeff: Here, my sense is that it's pretty split
13:11:15 <koalie> ... one quarter said yes, one quarter said no
13:11:22 <koalie> ... we could skip this altogether
13:11:42 <koalie> ... but in q7, 90 people said "Discounts of W3C services" would be a nice tangible benefit
13:11:51 <veronica> +1 to Training discounts
13:12:00 <koalie> Jeff: Is that a reasonable interpretation of the survey?
13:12:00 <Julian_> +1
13:12:02 <antoniofullone> +1
13:12:07 <LJWatson> +1
13:12:29 <koalie> Jeff: Q8: "Should there be a mechanism where Webizens are represented at the decision making of W3C (point D)?"
13:12:39 <koalie> Jeff: I think we should do that, per results
13:12:53 <koalie> Jeff: Q9 shows the survey speaks
13:13:28 <koalie> ... Program could look like: supporters page and ceo call, one tangible benefit (discount)
13:13:47 <koalie> ... we'd need to define participant groups
13:14:01 <koalie> Jeff: Q10 "Should we name this program the Webizen program?"
13:14:14 <koalie> Jeff: That got sufficient opposition to go through the available choices
13:14:22 <koalie> ... or make another survey
13:14:30 <koalie> ... and come up with other choices
13:14:35 <koalie> ... not necessarily before TPAC
13:14:42 <AnnBassetti> ~5 choices
13:14:44 <koalie> q+ to offer a nth suggestion
13:14:51 <koalie> ack me
13:14:51 <Zakim> koalie, you wanted to offer a nth suggestion
13:15:04 <koalie> Coralie: Web Society?
13:15:41 <LJWatson> q+
13:15:45 <koalie> Jeff: I like it, it's a valid thing to put in the survey
13:15:50 <antoniofullone> my 2 cents: I like Open web supporter, even if I think this name is pretty ok, at least it make sense
13:15:56 <koalie> ... I wouldn't want to choose it without putting it to scrutiny
13:16:08 <koalie> ... It sounds like it's competing with Internet Society
13:16:16 <koalie> [+1 I thought that too re: compete]
13:16:19 <koalie> ack LJWatson
13:16:26 <koalie> Léonie: looking at the list we got
13:16:33 <Julian_> q+
13:16:39 <AnnBassetti> from the list, I like "W3C Individual Participant" -- because it seems parallel to our other categories
13:16:42 <koalie> ... some described the program, some the participants of the program
13:16:50 <koalie> ... should we look at this?
13:17:03 <koalie> ... Web society, for example, doesn't look at participant
13:17:34 <LJWatson> ack me
13:17:35 <koalie> Jeff: Good point; if it describes the people, it's easy to reuse as program nameaa
13:17:42 <koalie> s/neameaa/name/
13:17:46 <koalie> ack j
13:18:18 <koalie> Julian: do we know the location of the people who took the survey?
13:18:30 <koalie> Coralie: Nope, we didn't ask the question and our system didn't have any way to find out
13:18:46 <koalie> Jeff: We debated that and chose not to include the question, to not drive prople away
13:18:55 <koalie> Jeff: Then we got free flow comments
13:19:23 <koalie> ... nothing jumped at me as a reason to rethink the whole thing
13:19:25 <koalie> [same]
13:19:47 <koalie> Jeff: If we have a consensus, I'll write this up in some formal proposal
13:19:59 <koalie> ... and propose it to W3M which meets on Wednesdays
13:20:18 <koalie> ... the AC proposal will be on 27-Oct
13:20:44 <koalie> ... a proposal which addresses the strong sense from the community that this should allow more engagement in W3C
13:21:14 <koalie> ... and addresses the concern the AC expressed in June that we do not offer in this program beneftis that are reserved to the AC
13:21:23 <AnnBassetti> q+
13:21:29 <koalie> ... I think we're in better shape and I hope we are.
13:21:33 <koalie> ack ann
13:21:47 <koalie> Ann: I thought it was a cool survey
13:21:56 <koalie> ... interested in geographic source of the responders
13:22:01 <koalie> [Coralie too!]
13:22:27 <koalie> Ann: The language we use to describe; one commenter said "you refer to Web Developers, what about the rest of us?"
13:22:36 <koalie> Ann: I relate to that and wanted to emphasise this
13:22:40 <koalie> Jeff: Great point.
13:22:58 <koalie> ... there was text in question 9, and in the preamble,
13:23:12 <koalie> ... and you're right, we should not restrict; we think of people by interest, by regions
13:23:26 <koalie> Ann: Somebody else spoke to the point of not only wanting to review charters
13:23:41 <koalie> ... [Ann reads]
13:23:47 <koalie> ... the point means more than charter review
13:23:55 <koalie> ... I'm sure we'll have a bunch of iterations
13:24:00 <koalie> ... that comment was useful
13:24:04 <koalie> Jeff: Yes definitely
13:24:24 <koalie> ... that comment to also speaks to how we create the representation groups
13:24:35 <koalie> s/groups/groups (cf. Q9)/
13:25:06 <Julian_> +1 to Ann's comments
13:25:06 <veronica> koalie ++
13:25:10 <koalie> Ann: Thanks Coralie for the great work and redoing the survey and dissemination
13:25:17 <koalie> Coralie: Thank you!
13:25:38 <koalie> Jeff: And Julian we also got good support from your colleague and enhanced our survey
13:25:52 <koalie> ... please extend our thanks
13:26:18 <koalie> Ann: In the background, I had a suggestion on how to advertise this
13:26:42 <koalie> ... I heard a suggestion to go to FOSDEM to advertise this
13:26:53 <koalie> Jeff: FOSDEM is a great conference around open source and linux
13:27:06 <koalie> ... Yes, that would be a great place for outreach
13:27:15 <koalie> Ann: I responded go for it :)
13:27:38 <koalie> q+ to mention french web conf next fortnight
13:27:45 <koalie> Jeff: AC first, obviously
13:27:58 <koalie> ack me
13:27:58 <Zakim> koalie, you wanted to mention french web conf next fortnight
13:28:57 <koalie> Jeff: The whole thing is extremely public
13:29:03 <koalie> ... no problem telling people what we're up to
13:29:16 <koalie> Ann: I think it's a great idea Coralie, the more we can tell and point to
13:29:46 <koalie> ... in the spirit of Ian sending Advance Notice, this is the sort of situation we're in
13:30:06 <koalie> Jeff: We should talk about it, definitely; I meant that holding a booth at fosdem was premature
13:30:25 <veronica> how about W3C cards with QCR code
13:30:37 <koalie> [+1]
13:31:20 <koalie> Jeff++ for wrangling this whole effort
13:31:29 <koalie> Jeff: I'm not sure we'll have more calls
13:31:32 <AnnBassetti> yes, indeed!!!
13:31:39 <koalie> ... I'll send updates in e-mail of course
13:32:07 <koalie> Ann: If you want help during TPAC, pairing, let me know
13:32:24 <koalie> Jeff: The webizen have spoken, I'll carry their message forward
13:32:57 <veronica> bye
13:32:59 <Zakim> -LéonieWatson
13:33:01 <Zakim> -JulianHarriott
13:33:01 <Zakim> -Veronica
13:33:02 <Zakim> -koalie
13:33:02 <Zakim> -Jeff
13:33:03 <Zakim> Team_JEFF(WEBIZ)9:00AM has ended
13:33:03 <Zakim> Attendees were koalie, Veronica, Jeff, [IPcaller], LéonieWatson, +44.778.839.aaaa, JulianHarriott, Ann
13:33:04 <koalie> [adjourned]
13:33:12 <koalie> Zakim, list attendees
13:33:12 <Zakim> sorry, koalie, I don't know what conference this is
13:33:18 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
13:33:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/03-webizen-minutes.html koalie
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