13:29:10 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:29:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-dap-irc 13:29:12 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:29:12 Zakim has joined #dap 13:29:14 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:29:14 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes 13:29:15 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:29:15 Date: 02 October 2014 13:35:29 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Sep/0095.html 13:35:42 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Sep/0095.html 13:54:22 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 13:54:46 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 13:57:16 Present+ Mats_Wichmann 13:57:58 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:58:03 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:58:03 sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller' 13:58:05 +[IPcaller] 13:58:08 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:58:08 +fjh; got it 13:58:13 rrsagent, generate minutes 13:58:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-dap-minutes.html fjh 13:59:21 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:00:13 +??P6 14:00:20 Zakim, ??P6 is mats 14:00:20 +mats; got it 14:01:17 gmandyam has joined #dap 14:01:42 anssik has joined #dap 14:02:04 +??P21 14:02:06 Zakim, ??P21 is me 14:02:06 +dom; got it 14:02:19 +gmandyam 14:03:45 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:04:29 ACTION: dom to check on call-in access to TPAC plenary day breakout sessions, e.g. web api for health care sensors, next steps for web of things 14:04:30 Created ACTION-721 - Check on call-in access to tpac plenary day breakout sessions, e.g. web api for health care sensors, next steps for web of things [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-10-09]. 14:05:13 TPAC is coming, 8 October is deadline 14:05:30 Welcome to James from Tencent: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Sep/0093.html 14:05:56 Topic: Minutes approval 14:06:04 Approve minutes from 18 September 2014 14:06:04 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Sep/att-0067/minutes-2014-09-18.html 14:06:05 proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 September 2014 are approved 14:06:10 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 September 2014 are approved 14:06:18 Topic: TPAC 14:06:30 Breakout on Web API for Health Care sensors, http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/SessionIdeas#Web_API_for_Health_Care_Sensors 14:06:47 “ Determine interest in 'Web API for Health Care Sensors' topic & possible next steps (e.g. workshop/Community Group/IG) , discuss background/scope” 14:06:54 -dom 14:07:06 +??P21 14:07:07 Zakim, ??P21 is me 14:07:07 +dom; got it 14:08:26 +Cathy 14:08:32 fjh: I have set up this session to be at the high level think it has value to understand higher level, requirements and vertical 14:09:46 fjh: I have gotten feedback that maybe we do not need this session since it could be part of Bluetooth LE CG etc 14:10:22 fjh: my response is that although that is relevant it is too low level to go straight to protocol, need to better understand application, requirements and higher level which is what this session is for 14:10:52 dom: agree ; could invite Bluetooth CG to present to get that input but also valuable to understand higher level issues and needs 14:10:57 … for example privacy 14:11:13 … what other platforms do in this space, such as Apple Healthkit 14:11:31 … agree bluetooth is part of the solution but too eearly to say if entire solution 14:11:41 .. need more info, should set expectations in advance. 14:11:48 s/.. need/… need/ 14:12:10 action: fjh to follow up on inviting Bluetooth CG presentation at breakout 14:12:10 Created ACTION-722 - Follow up on inviting bluetooth cg presentation at breakout [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-10-09]. 14:12:16 fjh: are breakouts an hour 14:12:18 dom: yes 14:12:32 see also Trust and Permissions in the Open Web Platform breakout 14:12:32 TPAC registration deadline 8 October 2014, http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ 14:13:12 also Next Steps for the Web of Things looks interesting 14:13:28 TPAC registration deadline 8 October 2014, http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ 14:13:36 Topic: Privacy Workshop on Privacy and User–Centric Controls 14:13:45 Call for Participation "W3C Workshop on Privacy and User–Centric Controls” http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Sep/0091.html 14:14:19 fjh: this is relevant to what we have done in DAP, will be relevant and useful to see what the latest thinking is, maybe some useful approaches 14:14:31 Cathy has joined #dap 14:15:45 anssik, do you know anyone that would be interested in submitting a position paper and/or participating in this privacy workshop? 14:16:00 Topic: Battery 14:16:11 fjh: Cordova Update, other updates? 14:16:17 fjh: Lisa not on call so will continue 14:16:18 fjh, we've informed out internal people 14:16:22 s/out/our/ 14:16:25 anssik, thanks 14:16:38 Topic: HTML Media Capture 14:16:45 Follow up on test case errors, and appropriate contacts for Firefox and Chromium: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus 14:16:46 Are more tests required to covert Cathy Chan’s comments? (I believe this has been done and implementation page can be updated, please confirm) 14:16:47 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/306#issuecomment-39578557 14:17:36 anssik, do you have any update on HTML Media Capture, do you know correct contacts? I sent email to Mounir and Raphael da Costa 14:17:58 fjh, I replied to the thread with information 14:18:15 anssik, I must have missed that email 14:18:21 fjh, there's a patch that should be landed in Q4 that will fix the issue 14:18:52 cathy: two parts to comment, first part closed 14:19:07 cathy: second part, verifying that when you have capture, that if user decides no, that you have no file 14:19:12 … not sure this part tested 14:19:13 fjh, the test failures are due to the fact that Chrome/Blink is not fully WebIDL spec conformant yet, specifically, "DOM attributes should be moved to prototype chains and should expose JavaScript getters/setters”. 14:19:57 patch to fix that http://crbug.com/43394 14:20:26 anssik, when will that patch be implemented and how will we know 14:20:54 fjh, the owner says in the bug that he'll try to get that landed in Q4 14:21:04 if you look at the bug, it's been open for 4 years now 14:21:13 action: zhiqiang to add test for user denial of captured file leading to no capture 14:21:13 Created ACTION-723 - Add test for user denial of captured file leading to no capture [on Zhiqiang Zhang - due 2014-10-09]. 14:21:20 it is a rather complex and intrusive change, must poke V8 here and there 14:22:00 the update from the owner 6 days ago: "I'm working on this when I have a cycle (and aiming at completing it by the end of Q4)." 14:22:07 fjh: sounds to me that this means we cannot complete HTML Media Capture this year, the tests will not be complete this year 14:22:30 dom: right, tests will not complete this year, could progress document, if we agree to reduce WebIDL dependency 14:22:33 fjh, FWIW, this is a generic idlharness.js blocker 14:22:48 dom: however if we truly think this WebIDL issue will be addressed this year then can wait 14:23:10 anssik, do you have a degree of confidence on whether this will truly be addressed this year 14:23:21 ... or better, a bug in Chromium that means all the tests using idlharness.js will show red for similar tests 14:23:46 dom: some troups have avoided limitation by demoting WebIDL dependency but then we need to go back to LC 14:23:54 s/troups/groups/ 14:24:08 fjh, I trust in the owner's judgement that he can land this 14:24:24 also Web Components folks want this fix landed increasing the probability that will happen 14:24:30 dom: can decide to use WebIDL only for syntax not semantics, e.g. like geolocation 14:24:57 anssik, thanks, so it sounds we can have confidence in patch landing this year, so no need to start workaround 14:25:25 just try a random test suite in Chrome from w-p-t and it will show red for similar reasons 14:25:25 fjh: if we delay a bit and go forward early next year that should work 14:25:30 dom: sounds good to me 14:25:58 anssik, thanks. Please not I also gave action to zhiqiang re cathy potential additional test needed 14:26:16 Topic: Ambient Light Events 14:26:31 fjh: believe we are waiting for proposal from Rick. Anything else to add? 14:26:48 anssik, have you been in contact with Rick about this? 14:26:53 the redesign is a major thing, takes time 14:27:09 I'd like to get the right people together to work on it, having Rick in the group is a great start 14:27:11 fjh: right, interested to know if it is in progress, however 14:27:29 fjh: good to know if work has started and who is involved. 14:27:42 Topic: Vibration API 14:27:53 Reminder, CfC Vibration API test report correct and complete; respond by 7 October 14:27:53 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Sep/0074.html 14:28:00 Topic: Chartering 14:28:07 fjh: Update or discussion? 14:28:12 fjh: not sure we need to discuss 14:28:19 ACTION-712? 14:28:19 ACTION-712 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Look into chartering extensibility -- due 2014-09-18 -- OPEN 14:28:19 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/712 14:28:52 dom: plan to work on this before TPAC 14:29:02 fjh: topic for chairs breakfast or focus first on our group 14:29:13 dom: lets start with our group 14:29:46 Topic: Upcoming Meetings 14:29:57 Review upcoming meeting schedule. 14:29:57 Next meeting scheduled for next week 9 October, http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html#upcoming-teleconferences 14:29:58 23 October now possible, but week before TPAC. 14:30:16 fjh: trying to figure out upcoming meetings, what we need and is workable 14:31:23 fjh: do we need a call next week? after that we have no call until 13 nov. 14:31:37 fjh: I propose we cancel next week and use the list until the 13 nov 14:32:12 proposed RESOLUTION: Cancel 27 November (US Thanksgiving) and 25 December, 1 January 14:32:29 RESOLUTION: Cancel 27 November (US Thanksgiving) and 25 December, 1 January 14:33:02 fjh: updates and status can go on the list, do not see any proposals so suggest we cancel next week 14:33:05 fjh: comment? 14:33:29 fjh: we already had this call to syncronize 14:33:39 … and can talk at TPAC informally 14:34:04 RESOLUTION: cancel call on 9 October 14:35:10 -dom 14:35:12 Topic: Action Review 14:35:15 -gmandyam 14:35:16 -Cathy 14:35:34 ACTION-718? 14:35:34 -mats 14:35:34 ACTION-718 -- Frederick Hirsch to Set up tpac breakout on web api for health care sensors -- due 2014-09-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:35:34 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/718 14:35:39 close ACTION-718 14:35:39 Closed ACTION-718. 14:35:44 ACTION-719? 14:35:44 ACTION-719 -- Frederick Hirsch to Follow up with rwaldron -- due 2014-09-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:35:44 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/719 14:35:48 close ACTION-719 14:35:48 Closed ACTION-719. 14:35:52 ACTION-720? 14:35:52 ACTION-720 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc asking if vibration test and implementation report is correct and complete -- due 2014-09-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:35:52 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/720 14:35:56 close ACTION-720 14:35:56 Closed ACTION-720. 14:36:03 Topic: Other Business 14:36:05 none 14:36:11 Topic: Adjourn 14:36:16 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:36:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:36:42 s/TPAC is coming, 8 October is deadline// 14:37:28 s/anssik, thanks/fjh: anssik, thanks/ 14:38:26 mf has joined #dap 14:38:52 Present+ Cathy_Chan, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Anssi_Kostiainen(IRC) 14:39:04 Present- Anssi_Kostiainen 14:39:20 Present+ Giri_Mandyam 14:39:28 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:39:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:39:51 -fjh 14:39:53 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:39:53 Attendees were fjh, mats, dom, gmandyam, Cathy 16:12:30 Zakim has left #dap 17:07:14 lgombos has joined #dap