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15:39:19 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:40:59 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:41:01 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items
15:41:02 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+   review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table
15:41:04 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  user groups update (ADHD, other)
15:41:05 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ cog function table thread
15:41:07 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  WHat should help text look like. layered help or role based help
15:41:08 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 Last Call Working Draft. The working group (UAWG)
15:41:10 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  approval of other new content, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0045.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0044.html
15:41:11 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  editing github
15:41:13 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  Next FTF
15:41:14 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ How will we receive comments?
15:41:16 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
15:51:51 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Kinshuk,
15:54:17 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this is  WAI_CogTF
15:54:17 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; that matches WAI_CogTF()12:00PM
15:55:57 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
15:55:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
15:55:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
15:56:08 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:56:08 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
15:56:43 <Zakim> + +1.508.856.aaaa
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15:59:02 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:59:55 <Zakim> +??P9
16:00:00 <janina> zakim, ??P9 is me
16:00:00 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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16:01:25 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina
16:01:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnRochford, richardschwerdtfeger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:03:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:22 <ea> ea has joined #coga
16:03:23 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller] is EA
16:03:23 <Zakim> +EA; got it
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16:05:22 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aabb
16:05:49 <Tony_Doran> Zakim aabb is Tony_Doran
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16:06:23 <slee> trying to dial in
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16:06:53 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane
16:07:05 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:07:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, EA, +44.289.442.aabb, Susann_Keohane
16:07:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, slee, Tony_Doran, ea, JohnRochford, richardschwerdtfeger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
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16:07:31 <slee> slee wants to be there :(
16:07:47 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:07:58 <Tony_Doran> Zakim aabb is Tony_Doran
16:08:12 <Zakim> +JF
16:08:39 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Susann_Keohane
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16:09:37 <JohnRochford> Zakim, JohnRochford is aaaa
16:09:37 <Zakim> sorry, JohnRochford, I do not recognize a party named 'JohnRochford'
16:09:58 <JohnRochford> Zakim, aaaa is JohnRochford
16:09:58 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
16:10:05 <Susann_Keohane> LS: review of agenda
16:10:16 <Zakim> -EA
16:10:26 <Lisa_Seeman>  review of agenda, new items
16:10:27 <Lisa_Seeman>  review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table
16:10:29 <Lisa_Seeman>  user groups update (ADHD, other)
16:10:30 <Lisa_Seeman>  cog function table thread
16:10:31 <Zakim> +neilmilliken
16:10:32 <Lisa_Seeman>  WHat should help text look like. layered help or role based help
16:10:33 <Lisa_Seeman>  review of User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 Last Call Working Draft. The working group (UAWG)
16:10:35 <Lisa_Seeman>  approval of other new content, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0045.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0044.html
16:10:36 <Lisa_Seeman>  editing github
16:10:38 <Lisa_Seeman>  Next FTF
16:10:39 <Lisa_Seeman> How will we receive comments?
16:10:41 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:10:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review of agenda, new items" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:10:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:12:08 <Tony_Doran> Zakim, aabb is Tony_Doran
16:12:08 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
16:12:12 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:12:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:12:35 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:13:41 <neilmilliken> zakim, +44203618 is me
16:13:41 <Zakim> sorry, neilmilliken, I do not recognize a party named '+44203618'
16:15:15 <Susann_Keohane> LS: reminding folks to take action on agenda item 2
16:15:53 <Zakim> +??P12
16:16:37 <Zakim> -??P12
16:16:39 <Susann_Keohane> LS: ADD research that has not yet been captured in the wiki should be identified
16:17:23 <slee> I'm getting no audio at all for Zakim - not even the welcome prompt
16:18:04 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/ADHD
16:18:24 <Lisa_Seeman> steve - sip audio dd not work for me iether  - i used skype
16:18:30 <Tony_Doran> Audio is awful today - I thought it was just my terrible wifi
16:18:41 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: phone number?
16:18:45 <Susann_Keohane> LS: request for team to review the ADD wiki and provide feedback
16:19:09 <Lisa_Seeman> +1.617.761.6200
16:19:16 <Lisa_Seeman> pascode coga#
16:21:31 <Susann_Keohane> LS: discussed cognitive function section referencing comorbidity
16:21:41 <Susann_Keohane> LS: challenges section should reference ICT
16:21:51 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: Skye deactivated my credit and can take 15 min to reactivate - Why, why why?
16:22:23 <ea> Diagnosis of ADHA  naybe should be Diagnosis of ADHD
16:22:43 <Tony_Doran> slee - it is Monday ;)
16:22:55 <slee> Tony_Doran: oh, tell me about it ! :)
16:23:19 <slee> is't that a US number?
16:23:37 <Lisa_Seeman> \yes
16:23:55 <Susann_Keohane> NM: ADHD research has lots of contradictions
16:24:28 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:24:59 <ea> "To be diagnosed with ADHD, your child must have six or more symptoms of inattentiveness, or six or more symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsiveness."  an illustration of the problem http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder/Pages/Diagnosis.aspx
16:25:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:25:30 <Susann_Keohane> LS: Group should review and send comments on ADHD this week
16:26:32 <slee> IPcaller.a = slee (I think)
16:26:57 <neilmilliken> EA thanks for the linkif you look down the comments list you will see lots on co morbidity
16:27:08 <Susann_Keohane> LS: Options of what to do with the ADHD section: (1) collect comments and mark as known issues (2) get more sophisticated version (3) not include it
16:27:42 <neilmilliken> IQ+
16:27:45 <neilmilliken> q+
16:27:58 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is slee
16:27:58 <Zakim> +slee; got it
16:28:18 <slee> Thanks
16:29:19 <ea> Yes and I think it should go as I am concerned that it will lose a lot if it becomes too narrow
16:30:05 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:30:19 <Lisa_Seeman> ack neil
16:33:41 <Susann_Keohane> LS: add to-do to have discussions to collect additional feedback
16:34:32 <ea> q?
16:34:39 <neilmilliken> I am pro submission in the knowledge that it is far from perfect
16:36:19 <Susann_Keohane> was that EA speaking?
16:36:25 <ea> yes sorry
16:36:27 <neilmilliken> yes it was ea
16:36:31 <Lisa_Seeman> \yes
16:36:51 <Susann_Keohane> EA: recommend option 1 to allow the broader audience offer feedback which we could use to direct our efforts
16:37:05 <JF_> I will +1 as well :)
16:37:05 <Tony_Doran> EA - Agree.
16:37:07 <slee> +0 :)
16:37:40 <Susann_Keohane> LS: Move forward with option 1
16:37:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:37:54 <Zakim> agendum 3. "user groups update (ADHD, other)" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:38:15 <JF_> zakim, close item 3
16:38:15 <Zakim> agendum 3, user groups update (ADHD, other), closed
16:38:16 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:38:16 <Zakim> 4. cog function table thread [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:38:22 <slee> +0: 'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
16:38:23 <JF_> zakim, next item
16:38:23 <Zakim> agendum 4. "cog function table thread" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:38:56 <Susann_Keohane> jf - you're cheat sheet is very helpful!
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16:40:04 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: URL please?
16:40:26 <Lisa_Seeman> http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/cognativefunction.shtml
16:41:17 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Sep/0086.html
16:43:13 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/att-0029/cognativefunctiontable.html
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16:44:18 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:45:55 <neilmilliken> What is the timescale for completion of the action item as I am pretty much on leave as of today until end of october
16:46:01 <Tony_Doran> I am goign to redial in audio is awful
16:46:10 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
16:47:27 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran
16:48:22 <ea> q?
16:48:24 <Susann_Keohane> LS: move away from diagnosis towards symptoms like problems with executive function
16:50:43 <ea> I agree developers will not understand some of the descriptions around memory
16:52:35 <ea> q?
16:52:57 <Susann_Keohane> JR: questions around the specificity requested for the table
16:53:41 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:53:42 <Susann_Keohane> LS: the techniques may be different technique on the specificity (such as a memory problem)
16:54:44 <Susann_Keohane> EA: concerned we are overloading specificity to the point where the developer may not be able to understand
16:54:48 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:55:28 <Susann_Keohane> RS: we don't want to convey the medical model to a site for personalization
16:55:36 <Susann_Keohane> RS: we do have an overlap of symptoms
16:56:06 <ea> +1
16:56:14 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:56:17 <Susann_Keohane> RS: developers wants to know what they need to do and for each individual may be a collection of solutions
16:57:21 <Lisa_Seeman> http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/cognitive/VisionCoga1.html
16:59:30 <Susann_Keohane> LS: labeling cognitive functions and mapping to techniques
16:59:49 <Susann_Keohane> LS: this table is for our knowledge
17:00:03 <Zakim> -janina
17:00:08 <Tony_Doran> You have just answered my question :)
17:00:10 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:00:52 <ddahl> bye!
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17:00:55 <Zakim> -slee
17:01:03 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:01:19 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
17:01:28 <Susann_Keohane> LS: asking for folks to join her in building the table
17:01:39 <Tony_Doran> Sorry line is awful
17:01:58 <Tony_Doran> Great news EA!!
17:02:26 <Tony_Doran> Agree - an indication of direction would be good.
17:02:37 <Tony_Doran> Apologies - need to drop off
17:02:51 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
17:03:30 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa ask kate and neil to work on tabel
17:03:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Ask kate and neil to work on tabel [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-10-06].
17:04:13 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, make logs public
17:04:14 <Zakim> -JF
17:04:16 <Zakim> -neilmilliken
17:04:21 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:04:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-coga-minutes.html Susann_Keohane
17:04:34 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, please part
17:04:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, EA, +44.289.442.aabb, Susann_Keohane, Debbie_Dahl, JF, JohnRochford,
17:04:35 <Zakim> Zakim has left #coga
17:04:38 <Zakim> ... neilmilliken, [IPcaller], Tony_Doran, slee
17:04:42 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, please part
17:04:42 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-coga-actions.rdf :
17:04:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa ask kate and neil to work on tabel [1]
17:04:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-coga-irc#T17-03-30