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13:56:55 <aphillip> trackbot,  prepare teleconference
13:56:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:56:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:56:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:57:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:57:00 <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2014
13:57:27 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0017.html
13:57:42 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:57:46 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:57:52 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:57:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
13:59:12 <aphillip> agenda additions at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0019.html and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0020.html
13:59:23 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
13:59:23 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
13:59:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
13:59:45 <aphillip> Regrets: David
14:00:24 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:30 <Zakim> +aphillip
14:01:08 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR
14:01:17 <aphillip> agenda+ What Time is This Meeting At?
14:01:21 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:01:21 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:01:23 <Zakim> +Richard
14:01:36 <aphillip> agenda+ Chinese generic font family names in CSS
14:01:54 <aphillip> agenda+ Plans for Chinese Layout task force
14:01:58 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod
14:02:01 <aphillip> agenda?
14:02:31 <xiaoqian> zakim, call xiaoqian-mobile
14:02:31 <Zakim> ok, xiaoqian; the call is being made
14:02:33 <Zakim> +Xiaoqian
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14:05:37 <aphillip> zakim, +1.408.536.aaaa is Leandro
14:05:37 <Zakim> +Leandro; got it
14:06:01 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:06:04 <aphillip> agenda?
14:06:24 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:07:04 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:33 <aphillip> close action-81
14:07:34 <trackbot> Closed action-81.
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14:09:16 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:09:38 <aphillip> addison: will be on holiday next week
14:09:48 <aphillip> ... richard to host
14:09:57 <aphillip> ... leandro to scribe
14:10:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:10:37 <aphillip> richard: mongolian is really hard
14:11:07 <aphillip> ... I  have a mongolian character picker that doesn't work terribly well
14:11:18 <Zakim> +koji
14:11:19 <aphillip> ... FF doesn't support vertical LR text
14:11:38 <aphillip> ... and chrome not so much in tables and such
14:11:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:12:11 <aphillip> richard: and challenges for mongolian characters with ZWJ
14:12:23 <aphillip> ... need to write more writing-mode tests
14:12:54 <xiaoqian> q+
14:14:44 <aphillip> ack xiaoqian
14:15:07 <aphillip> xiaoqian: does counter styles support mongolian and tibetan?
14:15:12 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-predefined-counter-styles-20130725/
14:15:13 <aphillip> richard: yes
14:15:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:15:55 <aphillip> xiaoqian: browser vendors interested in minority scripts, want more examples
14:16:19 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/
14:16:20 <aphillip> richard: a few notes in my blog
14:16:39 <aphillip> ... scroll down
14:16:45 <aphillip> ... justificaiton, line breaking rules
14:17:07 <aphillip> ... and working on a new entry which calls out features of typography
14:17:26 <aphillip> ... and asks if people have problems with features
14:18:09 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:18:09 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
14:18:15 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:18:15 <r12a> and points to the current spec locations and tests
14:19:11 <aphillip> agenda?
14:19:23 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:19:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "What Time is This Meeting At?" taken up [from aphillip]
14:19:38 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0018.html
14:23:02 <aphillip>  Option B "What we've been doing, sort of": 1500 UTC
14:23:09 <aphillip> midnight tokyo
14:24:28 <aphillip> koji: works for me
14:24:53 <aphillip> action: addison: send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees
14:24:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-346 - Send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-02].
14:25:09 <aphillip> agenda?
14:25:18 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:25:18 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Chinese generic font family names in CSS" taken up [from aphillip]
14:25:32 <aphillip>  https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Chinese_font_families
14:26:21 <aphillip> richard: publishers in China
14:26:38 <aphillip> ... serif, sans, fantasy, monospaced, etc.
14:26:47 <aphillip> ... we have more than that (and different)
14:27:06 <aphillip> ... also can't easily solve problem using downloading
14:27:27 <aphillip> ... because the fonts are very large
14:27:33 <aphillip> ... wrote wiki page to summarize
14:27:43 <aphillip> ... probably affects JP and KO users also
14:27:53 <aphillip> ... might need more categories?
14:28:06 <aphillip> richard: other scripts and publishing traditions need other styles
14:28:18 <aphillip> ... what can we do about this?
14:28:57 <aphillip> ... start discussion on CSS + CJK list
14:29:06 <aphillip> xiaoqian: describe problem clearly
14:29:16 <aphillip> s/describe/described/
14:29:33 <aphillip> koji: interesting
14:29:47 <aphillip> ... in japan most systems don't have many fonts
14:30:20 <aphillip> ... can I confirm who the "customer" is? browser vendor? web authors?
14:30:31 <aphillip> xiaoqian: digital publishers
14:30:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:32:10 <aphillip> koji: different from epub and web
14:32:34 <aphillip> ... only four or five font families
14:32:54 <aphillip> ... epub different: kindle or kobo have different fonts
14:36:28 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#chinese-t
14:36:39 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#chinese-s
14:36:53 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#japanese
14:47:35 <aphillip> action: xiaoqian: ask for more input on the problem of font family names
14:47:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-347 - Ask for more input on the problem of font family names [on Xiaoqian Wu - due 2014-10-02].
14:48:14 <aphillip> xiaoqian: how will webfonts work for east asian languages?
14:49:04 <aphillip> koji: font subsetting makes them smaller, so not really 10 mb
14:49:16 <aphillip> ... but data plans can be an issue
14:54:04 <aphillip> agenda?
14:54:23 <aphillip> leandro: link to css spec is to wrong place
14:54:37 <aphillip> richard: will add some questions to the page as well
14:54:46 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:54:46 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Plans for Chinese Layout task force" taken up [from aphillip]
14:55:37 <aphillip> richard: watch for activity
15:01:52 <Zakim> -Leandro
15:01:54 <Leandro> Folks, I have to run to another meeting. Talk to you next week.
15:22:56 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:22:58 <Zakim> -koji
15:22:58 <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
15:23:03 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:23:14 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:23:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:23:18 <r12a> zakim, drop richard please
15:23:18 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:23:19 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:23:19 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, Richard, Xiaoqian, Leandro, koji
15:23:40 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Xiaoqian, Koji, Leandro
15:23:45 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:23:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:24:11 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:24:11 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:24:17 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:24:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:24:21 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:24:21 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:24:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees [1]
15:24:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-irc#T14-24-53
15:24:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: xiaoqian: ask for more input on the problem of font family names [2]
15:24:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-irc#T14-47-35