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15:59:36 Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:59:36 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:59:37 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:37 Date: 25 September 2014
15:59:46 Sam: I am on a very weak hotel wireless signal that makes listening and thus scribing very hard.
15:59:59 Sam: I am hoping plh can scribe as he offered.
16:00:02 HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
16:00:05 +Plh
16:00:09 scribe: plh
16:00:10 +[Microsoft]
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16:00:18 zakim, what is the code?
16:00:18 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
16:00:18 Zakim, Microsoft has me
16:00:21 +Eliot; got it
16:00:27 +Sam
16:00:34 +??P13
16:00:39 zakim, ??P13 is me
16:00:39 +janina; got it
16:00:47 +[Microsoft.a]
16:00:57 zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
16:00:57 +paulc; got it
16:01:20 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JulSep/0027.html
16:02:17 agenda+ ACTION items
16:02:17 agenda+ Items Closing This Week
16:02:17 agenda+ Task Force Reports
16:02:17 agenda+ Other Business
16:02:17 agenda+ Next meeting
16:02:21 +ShaneM
16:03:08 zakim, move to next agendum
16:03:09 agendum 1. "ACTION items" taken up [from plh]
16:03:15 Sam: none
16:03:28 zakim, close agendum 1
16:03:28 agendum 1, ACTION items, closed
16:03:29 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:03:29 2. Items Closing This Week [from plh]
16:03:34 zakim, move to next agendum
16:03:34 agendum 2. "Items Closing This Week" taken up [from plh]
16:03:41 Sam: None
16:03:43 zakim, close agendum 2
16:03:43 agendum 2, Items Closing This Week, closed
16:03:44 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:03:44 3. Task Force Reports [from plh]
16:03:45 zakim, move to next agendum
16:03:45 agendum 3. "Task Force Reports" taken up [from plh]
16:03:55 Sam: a11y tf?
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16:04:12 Janina: waiting on a decision from the Director on longdesc
16:04:22 ... discussion on the alt document
16:04:43 ... if the decision goes our way, we would rather publish a hearbeat but not a final one
16:04:50 ... to do more editing on it
16:05:01 ... so changes in the expected status
16:05:28 ... we'll need the approval from PF on the heartbeat
16:05:47 supports publishing heartbeat.
16:05:58 Janina: also some discussion around footnotes in HTML.next
16:06:15 ... to make it a more robust experience for users
16:06:27 ... looking at the use cases out of the digital publishing
16:06:32 ... and bank requirements
16:06:53 ... so potential item for the f2f
16:07:04 ... with the dig pub folks
16:07:07 q+
16:07:14 ... to look at the concerns and use cases
16:07:25 ack plh
16:07:59 plh: CSS is also interested in the topic
16:08:07 ... make sure David Cramer at the minimum is in the room
16:08:39 Janina: ok
16:08:43 Sam: media tf?
16:09:04 Paul: continues to work on EME and MSE CR
16:09:11 ... not a lot of progress to report
16:09:16 ... around 20 EME bugs
16:09:19 ... small progress
16:09:45 Plh: progress on the test suite on MSE?
16:10:09 Paul: no recent progress. expect to have an update in October
16:10:20 ... getting people attention in my company is difficult
16:11:08 Plh: it's a general problem
16:11:24 Paul: agreed. transition from spec writers to testers isn't happening as much
16:12:09 Sam: some OS projects won't accept patches without tests
16:12:20 Paul: could be considered hostile to push for that
16:12:41 +??P2
16:12:48 Zakim, ??P2 is tantek
16:12:48 +tantek; got it
16:12:55 Zakim, mute me
16:12:55 tantek should now be muted
16:13:01 Paul: I'm in the process the media task force their plans for the f2f meeting
16:13:25 ... some opportunities for joint meeting between svg, pf, css, html
16:13:38 ... so need for more progress for the logitics
16:13:59 regrets for TPAC HTMLWG f2f - will be in AB/AC meeting. Will try to monitor on IRC.
16:14:10 Sam: canvas tf?
16:14:15 ... next meeting is tomorrow
16:14:40 Paul: Mark reported that Rich has a wiki for test cases
16:14:46 ... is that new?
16:15:04 Sam: was done 3 weeks ago. will send a link.
16:15:04 zakim, move to next agendum
16:15:04 agendum 4. "Other Business" taken up [from plh]
16:15:10 Sam: DOM4?
16:15:28 re: other business - I can add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Sep/0061.html
16:15:37 or rather, *may* I add
16:15:37 PLh: Robin is looked at https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1227
16:15:42 ... not done yet
16:16:01 ... reviweed treewalker tests: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1235
16:16:27 tantek, sure. after 4c
16:16:43 ... spec got modified following one of my comment
16:16:47 ... not substantive
16:17:23 ... hope to be done by end of this week
16:17:44 Sam: longdesc cr. already covered
16:17:59 Sam: HTML WG f2f and TPAC
16:18:02 ... see agenda in the wiki
16:18:06 ... more work is needed
16:18:29 Sam: anything else?
16:18:38 zakim, unmute me
16:18:38 tantek should no longer be muted
16:19:02 Tantek: link to dated snapshot of WHATWG URL http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Sep/0061.html
16:19:10 ... believe it would satisfy the requirements
16:19:25 ... without having to do a copy in webapps
16:19:32 ... think it's a reasonnable compromise
16:19:38 ... interested in making it happened
16:19:52 ... that's my proposal
16:20:14 Sam: comments on the title used
16:20:22 Tantek: didn't catch the source
16:20:33 q+
16:20:33 ... will look into it to use a short title
16:20:41 ack paulc
16:21:02 plh: source: https://whatwg.org/specs/url/2014-07-30/
16:21:15 Paul: looking for guidance: the Director looked at this and didn't pick that choice
16:21:27 ... the doc is in the AC now
16:21:41 ... not sure the html wg has control
16:21:55 Tantek: wanted to get input from the html wg
16:22:23 Paul: agreed...
16:22:41 Sam: at the moment, the response is mixed
16:22:49 ... but keep trying to resolve it
16:23:07 ... I don't think we'll get consensus at the group level
16:23:14 ... seems like a w3c level issue
16:23:44 q+
16:23:59 Tantek: the announcement of the PR was mentioning the change, thus my email
16:24:01 ack paul
16:24:25 Paul: yes, but the responsibility for producing a spec for URL is in webapps
16:24:36 ... in the PR, getting that doc updated is in the hand
16:25:01 ... the AC decided on the advice of the team to put that in webapps
16:25:08 Tantek: sure, but I'm commenting on the reference
16:25:24 Paul: ok, but the CR didn't have it the reference
16:25:31 ... the PR points to /TR/url/
16:25:41 ... it says "we're expecting that ref to be updated"
16:25:55 ... so webapps would update that
16:26:04 Tantek: yes, but I'm asking a different link
16:26:41 http://w3c.github.io/test-results/url/less-than-2.html
16:26:47 plh: One of the items that I did was to run the URL test suite
16:26:55 http://w3c.github.io/test-results/url/all.html
16:27:00 ... Safari results are generated but not yet in these results
16:27:19 ... I have to say that the results of the test suite is pretty disappointing
16:28:05 ... Whatever we reference is sub-optimal from a technical position. The problem is more poltical.
16:28:56 Sam: if Tantek query would have come up with consensus, that would be useful input to w3c
16:29:01 ... and the discussion isn't over
16:29:44 ... so don't stop having the discussion with other groups as well (AC, webapps)
16:29:50 Paul: and the TAG
16:30:55 http://www.w3.org/2014/06/webapps-charter.html "The WebApps WG will ask the Technical Architecture Group to
16:30:55 review some set of its specifications and will help, through a
16:30:55 joint task force, the development of the URL specification
16:30:55 and the Packaging on the Web specification."
16:32:43 Zakim, mute me
16:32:43 tantek should now be muted
16:32:46 Plh: is the thread on after 5 going anywhere?
16:32:51 Sam: not clear yet
16:35:34 Plh: part of the problem on after 5 is where to we want to be a year from now between html 5.0, and future
16:35:47 ... we're about to publish a rec that won't be changed
16:36:01 ... so I asked Robin to try to be get it right
16:36:06 ... including for search engines
16:37:13 Paul: are you following some principles?
16:37:20 Need to drop off. Apologies.
16:37:25 -[Microsoft]
16:37:27 PlH; no, just trying not to miss an opportunity
16:37:50 q+ to ask about shortnames
16:38:44 Plh: from the point of view of search engines, what should I get if I type html or html5?
16:38:50 Sam: depends on the audience
16:39:11 ack shane
16:39:11 ShaneM, you wanted to ask about shortnames
16:39:46 more background on the audience comment: some want the latest/experimental version; others want a stable/proven version
16:41:01 shane: it's not a new pb. shouldn't we have a general solution?
16:41:19 plh: we'd like one but don't have one yet
16:43:17 paul: is there enough additional aspect today that were touched on in the thread?
16:43:34 ... maybe this should be a separate thread
16:43:53 plh: will look into creating a separate one potentially
16:44:21 zakim, move to next agendum
16:44:21 agendum 5. "Next meeting" taken up [from plh]
16:44:32 Sam: scribe?
16:44:39 ... Paul will chair
16:44:44 Shane: I'll scribe
16:44:54 [adjourned]
16:44:58 -Plh
16:44:59 zakim, unmute me
16:44:59 tantek should no longer be muted
16:45:01 -Sam
16:45:01 -janina
16:45:03 -ShaneM
16:45:07 rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:45:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
16:45:08 -tantek
16:45:43 -paulc
16:45:44 HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:45:44 Attendees were Plh, Eliot, Sam, janina, [Microsoft], paulc, ShaneM, tantek
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