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14:41:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:41:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 41 minutes ago
14:41:53 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:41:53 <trackbot> Date: 18 September 2014
14:44:57 <janina> agenda?
14:45:18 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:45:18 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:45:21 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2014
14:45:23 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc CR Progress
14:45:26 <janina> agenda+ Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html
14:45:28 <janina> agenda+ HTML Process Tweaks Going Forward? http://darobin.github.io/after5/
14:45:31 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:45:33 <janina> agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:45:36 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:46:43 <janina>  zakim, next item
14:46:43 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:51:13 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:51:19 <Zakim> +??P3
14:51:24 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
14:51:24 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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14:56:24 <Zakim> +Liam
14:58:42 <Zakim> +Judy
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15:00:01 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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15:01:28 <Zakim> + +1.617.319.aaaa
15:01:38 <MarkS> zakim, aaaa is MarkS
15:01:38 <Zakim> +MarkS; got it
15:02:08 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:15 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:02:15 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:03:02 <Zakim> +JF
15:03:54 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:03:57 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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15:04:20 <MarkS> zakim, agenda?
15:04:20 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
15:04:21 <Zakim> 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:04:21 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2014 [from janina]
15:04:21 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc CR Progress [from janina]
15:04:21 <Zakim> 4. Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html [from janina]
15:04:21 <Zakim> 5. HTML Process Tweaks Going Forward? http://darobin.github.io/after5/ [from janina]
15:04:22 <Zakim> 6. Other Business [from janina]
15:04:23 <Zakim> 7. Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:04:23 <Zakim> 8. be done [from janina]
15:04:32 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 1
15:04:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:04:45 <janina> zakim, next item
15:04:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, janina
15:04:49 <MarkS> zakim, close item 1
15:04:49 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:04:51 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:04:51 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2014 [from janina]
15:04:55 <janina> zakim, next item
15:04:55 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2014" taken up [from janina]
15:05:23 <MarkS> JS: no additional information since our discussion a couple weeks ago.
15:05:32 <MarkS> ...Paul, anything of interest to us appear on the wiki lately?
15:06:01 <MarkS> PC: i need to get the wiki in shape.  I will transcribe the issues from a couple weeks ago into that wiki.
15:06:41 <MarkS> JS: PF will be scheduling all meetings, otherwise we won't get to meet with everyone we want to.
15:06:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:07:21 <MarkS> zakim, [IPcaller is leonie
15:07:21 <Zakim> +leonie; got it
15:07:33 <janina> zakim, next item
15:07:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Longdesc CR Progress" taken up [from janina]
15:07:36 <MarkS> ...schedule your hotel soon
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15:08:03 <MarkS> JS: waiting for director's decision.  on hold until we hear more.
15:08:11 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:08:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:08:12 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:12 <Zakim> 4. Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html [from janina]
15:08:16 <janina> zakim, next item
15:08:16 <MarkS> JB: nothing to add at this time
15:08:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html" taken up [from janina]
15:09:27 <MarkS> Liam: changed it to be a note (from ED).  still needs a bit more work in the status section.  there will be other pubrules type changes that will need to be done.
15:10:09 <MarkS> JS: Want to get started on this.  It's easy to miss small details that require re-publication.  Would like to get a lot of people to review it, me, judy, paul, etc.
15:11:01 <MarkS> JB: will need announcements prepared as well. Liam, we should meet on that.
15:11:31 <MarkS> JS: can we get this published next week?  reasonable?
15:11:36 <MarkS> JB: sounds probable
15:12:19 <MarkS> Liam: publishing as a note doesn't mean it cannot be updatedin the future.  will need to add longdesc guidance at the least.
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15:12:47 <MarkS> JS: there is work going on in ARIA which may also result in some changes to that document.
15:12:54 <janina> zakim, next item
15:12:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "HTML Process Tweaks Going Forward? http://darobin.github.io/after5/" taken up [from janina]
15:13:26 <SteveF> hi whats the passcode?
15:13:59 <MarkS> JS: discussion on list about tweaks to the process for HTML5.1
15:14:15 <MarkS> ...also some external discussions, like on robin's blog.
15:14:56 <MarkS> ...discussions are picking up now that we are at a milestone stage.  perhaps there are some thoughts from this group that need to be communicated.
15:15:15 <JF> Q+
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15:16:08 <MarkS> PC: robin blogged about this awhile ago and asked us to hold off until he did his lightning talk at the extensible web conf.  He also started a thread on public open web list
15:16:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:16:24 <MarkS> ...just starting.  chairs would like to see what emerges.
15:16:35 <SteveF_> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:16:35 <Zakim> +SteveF_; got it
15:16:44 <MarkS> ...haven't had such a vibrant thread on public-html in quite some time, its good to see.
15:17:16 <JF> ack JF
15:17:18 <MarkS> JS: so it sounds like we should be reading public-html and participating in the discussion if we have input.
15:17:19 <MarkS> ...glad I brought it up.
15:17:37 <MarkS> CS: (early) congrats
15:17:44 <MarkS> PC: too early ;)
15:18:41 <janina> ack jf
15:19:17 <SteveF_> q+
15:19:18 <MarkS> JF: Paul mentioned the thread on public-html.  Seems like I'm only getting some of them...  My concern is that there is confusion between a spec and a standard.  that distinction is important to me
15:19:25 <MarkS> ...standards don't change.
15:19:39 <MarkS> ... a moving target is more of a specification.
15:19:42 <janina> ack s
15:19:48 <MarkS> ...should not abandon one in favor of other.
15:20:07 <MarkS> SF: From my understanding, the work mode...
15:20:17 <Zakim> +ShaneM
15:20:43 <MarkS> ...robin is promoting is getting more people involved in the early stages of discussions.  ideas that emerge will still go through the process.
15:20:53 <MarkS> ...its about opening up the development to more people
15:22:00 <MarkS> JF: sounds to me like its a topic worthy of discussion.  I think the W3C has done a lot to open  up the process and add their voice.  lots of complaints that its not open, but those people don't try to participate.
15:22:07 <Zakim> -SteveF_
15:22:15 <janina> q?
15:22:15 <MarkS> ...moving to git, promoting CGs is all very open IMO
15:22:31 <Judy> agenda?
15:22:36 <ShaneM> q+ to point out that the w3c is also a business
15:22:38 <MarkS> ...the discussion feels a little naive to me at times
15:22:49 <janina> ack s
15:22:49 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to point out that the w3c is also a business
15:23:18 <MarkS> SM: I've worked for 3-4 industry consortia over the years. we have to remember that its a business too.  there are bills to pay.
15:23:29 <MarkS> ...its not unreasonable to push back and make that point.
15:23:37 <janina> q?
15:24:24 <MarkS> JS: this group has good discussions on call, will continue to add this to the agenda.
15:24:29 <janina> zakim, next item
15:24:29 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:24:50 <MarkS> RS: Mark, how are we on Canvas testing?
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15:25:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:25:39 <SteveF_> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:25:39 <Zakim> +SteveF_; got it
15:26:34 <MarkS> MS: will add tests over the next 5 days.  next meeting is on 9/26
15:27:25 <MarkS> RS: in the test files we should describe clearly what success will be
15:28:58 <MarkS> JS: canvas has now become a TF under HTML.  Mark and Rich are still active in that group and will represent a11y there.
15:29:28 <paulc> TPAC agenda updated at https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda#F2F_Topics
15:29:33 <MarkS> ...unless there is specific issues for this group, I intend to keep reports on this work in Other business moving forward
15:29:47 <MarkS> ...no news on Media
15:30:12 <MarkS> PC: I have just finished cleaning up the agenda for TPAC.  I added accessibility topics to the link above.
15:30:26 <MarkS> ...please review and let me know if any adjustments are needed.
15:30:55 <Zakim> -JF
15:30:56 <MarkS> JS: adjourned
15:30:56 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:30:56 <Zakim> -leonie
15:30:58 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:30:59 <Zakim> -Judy
15:31:01 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:31:02 <Zakim> -paulc
15:31:10 <Zakim> -Liam
15:31:32 <Zakim> -janina
15:31:33 <Zakim> -MarkS
15:31:35 <Zakim> -SteveF_
15:31:37 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:31:37 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, Liam, Judy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.617.319.aaaa, MarkS, paulc, JF, Cynthia_Shelly, leonie, SteveF_, ShaneM
15:31:41 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:31:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-html-a11y-minutes.html paulc
15:35:05 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
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15:35:15 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
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15:35:16 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald
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