14:44:06 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 14:44:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-wai-wcag-irc 14:44:08 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:44:08 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 14:44:10 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 14:44:10 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes 14:44:11 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 14:44:11 Date: 16 September 2014 14:44:18 zakim, agenda? 14:44:18 I see nothing on the agenda 14:45:02 agenda+ Open actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open 14:45:12 agenda+ Comments needing responses (Please pick two each) 14:45:12 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses 14:45:19 agenda+ Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: 14:45:19 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/16th_Sept_2014/ 14:45:44 agenda+ Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule 14:46:27 agenda+ New EOWG Forms Tutorial 14:47:01 agenda+ Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques 14:47:20 Scribe list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List 14:47:24 Chair: Joshue 14:47:48 AWK has joined #wai-wcag 14:48:06 Zakim, agenda? 14:48:06 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda: 14:48:07 1. Open actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open [from Joshue108] 14:48:07 2. Comments needing responses (Please pick two each) [from Joshue108] 14:48:07 3. Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: [from Joshue108] 14:48:07 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Joshue108] 14:48:07 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Joshue108] 14:48:07 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Joshue108] 14:52:16 zakim, clear agenda 14:52:16 agenda cleared 14:52:37 zakim, agenda 14:52:37 I don't understand 'agenda', Kenny 14:52:42 zakim, agenda? 14:52:42 I see nothing on the agenda 14:53:05 agenda+ Open actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open 14:53:22 agenda+ Comments needing responses (Please pick two each) 14:53:23 adam_solomon has joined #wai-wcag 14:53:35 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses 14:54:19 agenda+ Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: 14:54:46 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/16th_Sept_2014/ 14:55:02 agenda+ Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule 14:55:14 agenda+ New EOWG Forms Tutorial 14:55:34 agenda+ Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques 14:55:43 WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started 14:55:50 +[IPcaller] 14:55:55 zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue 14:55:55 +Joshue; got it 14:56:04 zakim, agenda? 14:56:04 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda: 14:56:05 1. Open actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open [from Kenny] 14:56:05 2. Comments needing responses (Please pick two each) [from Kenny] 14:56:05 3. Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: [from Kenny] 14:56:05 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Kenny] 14:56:06 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Kenny] 14:56:06 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Kenny] 14:56:48 + +1.617.766.aaaa 14:56:51 regrets+ Alistair, Barry, Loretta, Bruce 14:56:55 zakim, aaaa is AWK 14:56:55 +AWK; got it 14:58:02 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:58:02 On the phone I see Joshue, AWK 15:01:18 Sailesh has joined #wai-wcag 15:01:42 +??P8 15:01:52 ack me 15:02:09 +[IPcaller] 15:02:20 + +1.313.390.aabb 15:02:33 zakim, [IPcaller] is adam_solomon 15:02:33 +adam_solomon; got it 15:02:45 Mike_Elledge has joined #wai-wcag 15:02:46 zakim, call kenny- 15:02:46 I am sorry, Kenny; I do not know a number for kenny- 15:02:52 zakim, call kenny-mobile 15:02:53 ok, Kenny; the call is being made 15:02:53 +Kenny 15:03:07 Zakim, aabb is Mike Elledge 15:03:09 I don't understand 'aabb is Mike Elledge', AWK 15:03:21 marcjohlic has joined #wai-wcag 15:03:22 Zakim, aabb is Mike_Elledge 15:03:23 +Mike_Elledge; got it 15:03:41 Brent has joined #wai-wcag 15:03:47 +Sailesh_Panchang 15:04:09 +Marc_Johlic 15:04:14 + +1.612.384.aacc 15:04:28 zakim, regrets? 15:04:30 I don't understand your question, Joshue108. 15:04:32 zakim, regrets 15:04:32 I don't understand 'regrets', Joshue108 15:05:13 Zakim, aacc is 15:05:13 I don't understand 'aacc is', AWK 15:05:18 Zakim, aacc is Brent 15:05:20 +Brent; got it 15:05:34 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List 15:06:57 zakim, agenda? 15:06:57 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda: 15:06:58 1. Open actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open [from Kenny] 15:06:58 2. Comments needing responses (Please pick two each) [from Kenny] 15:06:58 3. Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: [from Kenny] 15:06:58 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Kenny] 15:06:59 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Kenny] 15:06:59 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Kenny] 15:07:28 zakim, next item? 15:07:28 I don't understand your question, Joshue108. 15:07:36 zakim, next item? 15:07:36 I don't understand your question, Joshue108. 15:07:45 zakim, take up next item? 15:07:45 I don't understand your question, Joshue108. 15:07:46 ack me 15:07:51 zakim, next item 15:07:51 agendum 1. "Open actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open" taken up [from Kenny] 15:09:06 Scribe: Adam 15:09:16 TOPIC: Open actions 15:09:18 Scribe: Adam_solomon 15:10:13 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/270 15:10:19 action 271 on Joshua - hell take care of it 15:10:19 Error finding '271'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:10:26 https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/techniques/general/caption_updates 15:11:13 act 270 Bruce not on the call 15:11:50 Action-270: Josh to ping Bruce on status 15:11:50 Notes added to Action-270 Edit https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/techniques/general/caption_updates to improve procedure based on august 26, 2014 call. 15:12:08 ACTION-267: Draft new text for clarification on placeholder text a la 1.4.3 15:12:08 Notes added to ACTION-267 Draft new text for clarification on placeholder text a la 1.4.3. 15:12:14 David has joined #wai-wcag 15:12:17 ? 15:13:22 ISSUE-11 15:13:22 ISSUE-11 -- SCR2 and SCR20 seem to overlap, consider merging -- open 15:13:22 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/11 15:13:43 ACTION-260: ISSUE-11 -- SCR2 and SCR20 seem to overlap, consider merging -- open 15:13:43 Notes added to ACTION-260 Look into issue 11 kathleen. 15:13:43 16:13 15:13:43 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/11 15:14:16 act 260 - Kathleen - not on call 15:14:20 ACTION-252: Investigate accessibility support for h53 15:14:20 Notes added to ACTION-252 Investigate accessibility support for h53. 15:14:25 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/252 15:14:32 +David_MacDonald 15:14:54 ACTION-252: Josh to ping Wilco for update 15:14:54 Notes added to ACTION-252 Investigate accessibility support for h53. 15:15:23 ACTION-267 15:15:23 ACTION-267 -- David MacDonald to Draft new text for clarification on placeholder text a la 1.4.3 -- due 2014-08-12 -- OPEN 15:15:23 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/267 15:16:19 ACTION-267: David still on it as of 16th Sept 2014 15:16:19 Notes added to ACTION-267 Draft new text for clarification on placeholder text a la 1.4.3. 15:16:37 ACTION-264: 15:16:37 ACTION-264 -- David MacDonald to Open wiki page for captcha -- due 2014-07-15 -- OPEN 15:16:37 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/264 15:16:43 Loretta has joined #WAI-WCAG 15:16:54 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Captcha_Alternatives_and_thoughts 15:17:05 Looks great 15:17:09 +[IPcaller] 15:17:19 zakim, IPcaller is Loretta 15:17:19 +Loretta; got it 15:18:22 Kathy has joined #wai-wcag 15:19:04 +Kathy_Wahlbin 15:19:50 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open 15:21:05 ACTION-264: David adding the wiki link to our WCAG Next document 15:21:05 Notes added to ACTION-264 Open wiki page for captcha. 15:21:54 ack me 15:22:06 CLOSE ACTION-264 15:22:06 Closed ACTION-264. 15:22:30 264 was closed by amending the wiki next document 15:22:36 ACTION-260: Josh to ping Kathleen 15:22:36 Notes added to ACTION-260 Look into issue 11 kathleen. 15:23:42 ACTION-247: Discussed on call Sept 16th, keep open 15:23:43 Notes added to ACTION-247 Work with kathy on increasing wg knowledge of how AT and IT work together.. 15:24:01 ACTION-246: Keep open 15:24:01 Notes added to ACTION-246 Work on codifying the logic used for technique test procedures. 15:24:32 David: I've added the link to the WCAG next document 15:24:49 ACTION-245: Josh to ping Shadi 15:24:49 Notes added to ACTION-245 Look up what the past survey was that indicated that pages could meet accessibility support requirements with different at for different parts of a page. 15:25:29 ACTION-244: Keep open 15:25:29 Notes added to ACTION-244 Clarify how conformance requirements relate with sc and evalution methods.. 15:25:58 Zakim, take up next item 15:25:58 agendum 2. "Comments needing responses (Please pick two each)" taken up [from Kenny] 15:26:13 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses 15:26:15 TOPIC: Comments needing responses 15:27:09 jon a. taking one (not on call) 15:27:42 zakim, agenda? 15:27:42 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 15:27:43 2. Comments needing responses (Please pick two each) [from Kenny] 15:27:43 3. Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: [from Kenny] 15:27:43 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Kenny] 15:27:43 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Kenny] 15:27:43 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Kenny] 15:27:54 I'll take 2960 15:28:16 David taking 2950 15:29:47 jamesn has joined #wai-wcag 15:30:06 i'll take 2954 15:30:07 rrsagent, make minutes 15:30:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn 15:30:18 +James_Nurthen 15:30:21 Not volunteering because I already did 2 and took them off the list. :-) 15:30:35 Kathy taking 2951 15:32:51 Michael: each comment should be checked against current version and status of the "complaint" 15:34:12 zakim, next item 15:34:12 agendum 3. "Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014:" taken up [from Kenny] 15:34:22 TOPIC: TPAC Planning 15:34:32 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/16th_Sept_2014/ 15:35:27 -Kenny 15:35:40 zakim, call kenny-mobile 15:35:40 ok, Kenny; the call is being made 15:35:42 +Kenny 15:36:22 q? 15:37:14 re: Formatting of supporting docs - Awk deliberately used two kinds of formatting and we should decide what's better 15:38:06 -Kenny 15:39:15 https://adobeformscentral.com/?f=kzSSzvx-o7ASHXEbMduEIQ 15:39:54 q+ 15:40:02 q+ 15:40:05 ack mike 15:40:36 Mike: what are we going to do with the results of the survey? 15:41:42 Awk: not going to deprecate at this point, more to enlighten where we need to improve 15:42:07 ack d 15:42:09 ack dav 15:44:56 David: page 7 of survey has very long question 15:45:48 Awk can move a sentence as lead question to fix the length problem 15:47:44 q+ 15:48:11 Awk: no headings in survey - limitation of the tool used to produce it. Paged survey should alleviate this. Other survey tools have their own problems. Is lack of headings, etc. a serious problem? 15:49:47 ack dav 15:50:33 Sailesh: headings wold help 15:50:43 s/wold/would 15:51:14 David: how difficult would it to make the visual headers semantic? 15:53:14 +q 15:54:06 ack me 15:54:12 Sailesh: "page 2 of ..." should be positioned differently 15:55:22 Joshua: all in all it's perceivable to AT, pros outweigh the con 15:56:05 James: can you add scripts to the survey page? 15:56:11 Awk: no 15:57:20 zakim, queue? 15:57:20 I see no one on the speaker queue 15:57:26 zakim, agenda? 15:57:27 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 15:57:27 3. Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: [from Kenny] 15:57:27 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Kenny] 15:57:27 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Kenny] 15:57:27 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Kenny] 15:58:56 David: we'll get hit hard on the blogs because of the lack of headers, etc 15:59:53 Joshua: I'm ready to take the slack on this one 16:00:15 Sailesh: is it possible to number the questions? 16:00:36 s/slack on this one/flack on this one if in the main it's working, which it looks like it is 16:01:10 Awk: not everyone will see all the questions (depending on the answers 16:01:34 zakim, agenda? 16:01:34 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 16:01:35 3. Draft of User Survey and TPAC planning for September 16th, 2014: [from Kenny] 16:01:35 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Kenny] 16:01:35 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Kenny] 16:01:35 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Kenny] 16:02:12 +1 to the content and overall format from me 16:02:53 +1 content looks good 16:03:00 Awk: 2 questions - are people happy with the survey content and are interested in sending it out (assuming we could check out other tools)? 16:03:09 +1 16:03:28 +1 16:03:42 Kathy: check which tool Shadi used 16:04:04 ACTION: Josh to ping Shadi about the EvalWG tool 16:04:04 Created ACTION-272 - Ping shadi about the evalwg tool [on Joshue O Connor - due 2014-09-23]. 16:04:06 +1 16:04:35 RESOLUTION: IF the survey was accessible AND the content is as it currently is (with suggested changes) AND other W3C groups are happy with the new, more accessible version then the WG is ok with distributing it. 16:05:22 zakim, next item 16:05:22 agendum 4. "Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule" taken up [from Kenny] 16:06:03 topic: HTML5/ARIA tf meetings 16:06:35 Loretta: no meetings for a few months 16:07:20 q+ 16:07:29 James: main problem is getting agenda items 16:07:47 ack awk 16:08:30 zakim, agenda? 16:08:30 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 16:08:31 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Kenny] 16:08:31 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Kenny] 16:08:31 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Kenny] 16:09:02 Awk: intersection between html5, aria, mobile techniques 16:10:24 Kathy: can roll in techniques if they are not on another list. We have people who are interested in writing but may not be able to attend meetings. A few techs ready for the group. Slow progress 16:12:12 +q 16:12:21 ack adam 16:12:42 AdamS: If the TF isn't meeting, and I want to write a technique what can I do? 16:13:06 +q 16:13:27 AdamS: Also is there a list of ARIA and HTML5 techs 16:14:07 zakim, who is noisy? 16:14:18 jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joshue (39%), AWK (34%) 16:14:30 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments 16:14:59 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/HTML5 16:15:06 zakim, who is noisy? 16:15:16 AWK, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joshue (25%), adam_solomon (14%) 16:15:25 ack me 16:16:13 Joshua: should we merge all the techs into one big pile, one group doing them 16:16:58 zakim, agenda? 16:16:58 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 16:16:59 4. Update on HTML5/ARIA TF call schedule [from Kenny] 16:16:59 5. New EOWG Forms Tutorial [from Kenny] 16:16:59 6. Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques [from Kenny] 16:18:13 zakim, take up item 6 16:18:13 agendum 6. "Discussion on approaches to Mobile Technique development and existing techniques" taken up [from Kenny] 16:18:16 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments 16:19:05 Joshua: jon a. asked about taking existing techs and adapting them for mobile 16:19:55 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G4 16:20:42 Kathy: need to clarify what we need to look for in the mobile techs in order to get group approval 16:22:03 Joshua: basically the mobile techs need to reference mobile dev and testing etc. and the language should be relevant to mobile, and its something which can be easily fixed 16:22:10 zakim, queue? 16:22:11 I see no one on the speaker queue 16:24:17 ack Sail 16:25:02 q+ 16:25:19 ack awk 16:25:21 Sailesh: all techs might be relevant to mobile - so should have a mobile component to all techs describing the support for mobile 16:25:35 Kathy: and that's what we're doing 16:26:58 zakim, take up item 5 16:26:58 agendum 5. "New EOWG Forms Tutorial" taken up [from Kenny] 16:27:12 https://w3c.github.io/wai-tutorials/forms/ 16:28:06 -James_Nurthen 16:28:10 -Sailesh_Panchang 16:28:15 -Marc_Johlic 16:28:20 -Michael_Cooper 16:28:28 bye all! 16:28:29 -Loretta 16:28:33 yes 16:28:49 -David_MacDonald 16:28:56 -adam_solomon 16:28:58 -Mike_Elledge 16:29:06 -Brent 16:29:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:29:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html Kenny 16:30:12 trackbot, end meeting 16:30:12 Zakim, list attendees 16:30:12 As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, +1.617.766.aaaa, AWK, Michael_Cooper, +1.313.390.aabb, adam_solomon, Kenny, Mike_Elledge, Sailesh_Panchang, Marc_Johlic, 16:30:15 ... +1.612.384.aacc, Brent, David_MacDonald, Loretta, Kathy_Wahlbin, James_Nurthen 16:30:20 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:30:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot 16:30:21 RRSAgent, bye 16:30:21 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-wai-wcag-actions.rdf : 16:30:21 ACTION: Josh to ping Shadi about the EvalWG tool [1] 16:30:21 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-wai-wcag-irc#T16-04-04