14:44:17 RRSAgent has joined #auto 14:44:17 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-auto-irc 14:47:24 Isobe has joined #AUTO 14:54:37 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2014Sep/0003.html 14:55:21 ahessemann has joined #auto 15:00:04 sakamoto_JEITA has joined #auto 15:00:55 murakami_JEITA has joined #auto 15:02:04 Meeting: Automotive and Web Platform BG call 15:03:23 ph has joined #auto 15:03:34 Paul_Boyes has joined #auto 15:03:37 KevG has joined #auto 15:03:53 zakim, who is here? 15:03:53 sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is 15:03:54 On IRC I see KevG, Paul_Boyes, ph, murakami_JEITA, sakamoto_JEITA, ahessemann, Isobe, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, ted 15:04:08 zakim, who is on IRC? 15:04:08 I don't understand your question, kaz. 15:04:29 urata_access has joined #auto 15:04:50 Nik-Qnx has joined #auto 15:04:56 TJ has joined #auto 15:05:01 Aldric_-_PSA has joined #auto 15:05:03 moriguchi has joined #auto 15:05:18 agenda+ Discuss spec and public comments (Paul/Kevron) 15:05:18 agenda+ Automotive WG Charter update (Adam/W3C) 15:05:18 agenda+ F2F details and proposed agenda (Paul/Adam) 15:05:21 agenda+ AOB 15:05:29 zakim, who is here? 15:05:29 sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is 15:05:31 On IRC I see moriguchi, Aldric_-_PSA, TJ, Nik-Qnx, urata_access, KevG, Paul_Boyes, ph, murakami_JEITA, sakamoto_JEITA, ahessemann, Isobe, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, ted 15:05:57 hirabayashi has joined #auto 15:07:11 tripzero has joined #auto 15:07:29 Adam reviews agenda and reminds people to register for F2F 15:08:00 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/61259/20141009-AnnArborF2F/ F2F registration form 15:08:56 Vadim has joined #auto 15:09:01 Abramski has joined #auto 15:09:13 zakim, who is here? 15:09:13 sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is 15:09:14 On IRC I see Abramski, Vadim, tripzero, hirabayashi, moriguchi, Aldric_-_PSA, TJ, Nik-Qnx, urata_access, KevG, Paul_Boyes, ph, murakami_JEITA, sakamoto_JEITA, ahessemann, Isobe, 15:09:15 ... RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, ted 15:09:44 Adam: the f2f will be held during Genivi meeting in [some unpronouncable town near Ann Arbor Michigan] 15:09:45 LeonardNieman has joined #auto 15:09:58 zakim, who is here? 15:09:58 sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is 15:10:00 On IRC I see LeonardNieman, Abramski, Vadim, tripzero, hirabayashi, moriguchi, Aldric_-_PSA, TJ, Nik-Qnx, urata_access, KevG, Paul_Boyes, ph, murakami_JEITA, sakamoto_JEITA, 15:10:00 ... ahessemann, Isobe, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, ted 15:10:18 ... we will be going over any public comments we receive on the draft spec. none have been received to date 15:10:43 ... we will be on our own for food on Friday. Thursday they'll provide us lunch 15:10:57 ... not sure how long we'll go on Friday, depends on the agenda 15:11:16 ... some of the Genivi folks cannot attend on Thursday and will be there on Friday 15:11:58 ... we hope to have input from location services people in Genivi. they will produce a POC (@@acro short for) which will influence the API needs 15:12:38 ... we also will get a POC from speech interaction people, likely will focus on the API sent through Speech Community Group by Google 15:12:50 s/@@acro short for/Proof-Of-Concept/ 15:13:11 ... from conversation with Philippe at Genivi it is not apparent they have accomplished what they intended, report pending. 15:13:39 ... Vadim suggested we should discuss security from SysApps security sub group 15:13:55 ... last topic will likely be the formation of the WG itself 15:14:37 ... we have been asking for a co-chair to work with Paul for the group. I'm interested but we would like to have a tier-1 or OEM in this position 15:14:43 ... I haven't heard from Kevron yet 15:15:12 ... If nobody steps forth I will discuss time requirement with my organization 15:15:40 Vadim(?): do we expect the WG to be formed in October? 15:16:10 Adam: from conversation with Alan and Philipp from W3C it seems like it might be later 15:16:11 q+ 15:16:43 Adam: Possibly January timeframe given holiday season 15:17:13 Vadim: will @@@ be participating at the F2F 15:17:21 s/@@@/QNX/ 15:17:27 @@2: I don't think Mark or I will be there 15:17:46 Mark: We would need to make the case to attend 15:18:13 s/@@2/Tina(?)/ 15:18:38 Breath noise in background .... 15:18:39 Vadim: development around permissions of SysApp group there are important areas we will want to go into from those who have existing ecosystems 15:18:59 s/Breath noise in background ....// 15:19:34 q+ 15:20:13 ack t 15:20:15 hiro_ito has joined #auto 15:20:35 ted: explains the procedure of Chartering a WG 15:20:52 ... W3M review and then AC Member review 15:20:59 ... would take 4 weeks 15:21:44 s/would take 4 weeks/could be more like November than January/ 15:22:09 Adam: send comments to public list or BG chairs and W3C staff 15:22:21 ... Philipp, when would you like comments back on charter? 15:22:53 Philipp: we have another step to do so perhaps 2 weeks for comments from this group 15:23:28 Raj has joined #auto 15:23:38 q? 15:24:50 Paul(?): we need variability among the different ways OEMs do this and extensibility 15:25:01 ... for example wheel speed versus wheel tick 15:25:19 ... you don't want an explosion of data elements but balance against how they presently do things 15:25:47 ... we need to get some OEMs in the room to address these inconsistencies 15:26:02 ... there is also the question of what to do when they want to extend 15:26:17 ... we should put nodes in the spec 15:26:44 Kevron: you're not saying internal inconsistencies within the spec but differences between OEM practices and the spec? 15:27:01 Paul: yes, we may have different data in their can 15:27:13 ... we need a pattern for dealing with these mappings 15:27:24 ... we'll run into this when people start doing implementations 15:27:42 Kevron: so we should document how we recommend people handle this? 15:28:09 Paul: Yes. We can handle most cases but there are some that are not obvious or not possible 15:28:28 ... people might not implement a given piece or refuse to expose some data points 15:28:45 ... they can implement whatever they want clearly but we should have guidelines 15:29:21 Vadim: OEM certainly can do things differently. we need to have this discussion to be sure we have agreement among ourselves and using data in the same way 15:29:52 Paul: there are cases where you just cannot map states of things like wheel speed and ticks 15:30:07 Nik-Qnx has left #auto 15:30:37 Philipp: we came across this earlier at @@ meeting 15:31:16 Paul: there will be some cases variability and extensibility 15:31:58 s/@@ meeting/qnx design guidelines/ 15:32:32 Adam: looking forward to seeing people in three weeks 15:33:27 ... we need to focus on what this group wants to tackle after this spec. is it use cases, coordination with other W3C activities and that will influence the charter 15:33:36 [adjourned] 15:34:01 rrsagent, mak log public 15:34:01 I'm logging. I don't understand 'mak log public', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:34:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:34:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-auto-minutes.html kaz 15:34:40 zakim, who is here? 15:34:40 sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is 15:34:42 On IRC I see Raj, LeonardNieman, Vadim, hirabayashi, moriguchi, urata_access, KevG, Paul_Boyes, murakami_JEITA, sakamoto_JEITA, ahessemann, Isobe, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, ted 15:35:14 Chair: Adam, Paul 15:35:45 rrsagent, make log public 15:36:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:36:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-auto-minutes.html kaz 15:38:02 Present: Nick_QNX, TJ, tripzero, ph, Abramski, Aldric-PSA, hiro_ito, Raj, LeonardNieman, Vadim, hirabayashi, moriguchi, urata_access, KevG, Paul_Boyes, murakami_JEITA, sakamoto_JEITA, ahessemann, Isobe, Ted, Kaz 15:38:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:38:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/16-auto-minutes.html kaz 15:38:51 rrsagent, bye 15:38:51 I see no action items