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14:05:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
14:05:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes
14:05:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:05:10 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2014
14:05:20 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
14:05:50 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/C274A5503C851E43A8ED400AC86E028503E8F0110B@SOM-MB.wiley.com
14:06:07 <ivan> meeting agenda for 2014-09-15: http://www.w3.org/mid/C274A5503C851E43A8ED400AC86E028503E8F0110B@SOM-MB.wiley.com
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14:58:55 <Zakim> +azaroth
14:58:56 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
14:58:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, +1.240.421.aaaa
14:58:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see azaroth, clapierre, AH_Miller, Akshat_Joshi, pkra, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, Karen, liam, astearns_, plinss, trackbot
14:59:23 <azaroth> zakim, why didn't you recognize me last hour for LDP but do recognize me now?
14:59:23 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, azaroth.
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14:59:58 <azaroth> zakim, aaaa is MikeMiller
14:59:58 <Zakim> +MikeMiller; got it
15:00:04 <Zakim> +Tzviya
15:00:13 <clapierre> Zakim, +1.650.644.aabb is me
15:00:13 <Zakim> +clapierre; got it
15:00:21 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aadd
15:00:27 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-aix
15:00:27 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:00:28 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:00:28 <Zakim> + +1.617.439.aaee
15:00:30 <Zakim> + +1.617.858.aaff
15:00:35 <azaroth> zakim, aaaa is AH_Miller
15:00:35 <Zakim> sorry, azaroth, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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15:00:56 <pkra> Zakim aaff is pkra
15:01:06 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
15:01:12 <ivan> zakim, aaff is pkra
15:01:12 <Zakim> +pkra; got it
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15:01:39 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:01:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, MikeMiller, clapierre, +1.217.244.aacc, Tzviya, +1.609.216.aadd, +1.617.439.aaee, Ivan, pkra, Karen_Myers
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15:01:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see bjdmeest, fjh, TimCole, dkaplan3, tzviya, azaroth, clapierre, AH_Miller, Akshat_Joshi, pkra, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, Karen, liam, astearns_, plinss, trackbot
15:01:47 <tzviya> Regrets: Markus, Brady, Vlad, Paul, Thierry, Laura, PhilM, BenKo, dauwhe
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15:01:50 <dkaplan3> zakim, aaee is me
15:01:50 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
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15:02:31 <Zakim> + +33.1.41.23.aagg
15:02:34 <ivan> zakim,  aadd is Laura
15:02:34 <Zakim> +Laura; got it
15:02:47 <ivan> zakim, aacc is TimCole
15:02:47 <Zakim> +TimCole; got it
15:02:59 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aahh
15:03:03 <Luc> aagg is Luc
15:03:13 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
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15:03:20 <ivan> zakim, Laura is Laura_Fowler
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler; got it
15:03:22 <azaroth> zakim, aagg is Luc
15:03:23 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
15:03:31 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
15:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, MikeMiller, clapierre, TimCole, Tzviya, Laura_Fowler, dkaplan3, Ivan, pkra, Karen_Myers, Luc, +1.734.904.aahh, [GVoice]
15:03:33 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Neha, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, Luc, bjdmeest, fjh, TimCole, dkaplan3, tzviya, azaroth, clapierre, AH_Miller, Akshat_Joshi, pkra, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, Karen, liam,
15:03:34 <Zakim> ... astearns_, plinss, trackbot
15:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, MikeMiller, clapierre, TimCole, Tzviya, Laura_Fowler, dkaplan3, Ivan, pkra, Karen_Myers, Luc, +1.734.904.aahh, [GVoice]
15:03:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Neha, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, Luc, bjdmeest, fjh, TimCole, dkaplan3, tzviya, azaroth, clapierre, AH_Miller, Akshat_Joshi, pkra, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, Karen, liam,
15:03:38 <Zakim> ... astearns_, plinss, trackbot
15:03:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:41 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:03:42 <Zakim> +Ruben
15:03:42 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
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15:03:52 <ivan> zakim, aahh is Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:53 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
15:04:00 <bjdmeest> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:00 <Zakim> +??P19
15:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, MikeMiller, clapierre, TimCole, Tzviya, Laura_Fowler, dkaplan3, Ivan, pkra, Karen_Myers, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, [GVoice], Ruben, fjh, ??P19
15:04:07 <bjdmeest> Zakim, Ruben is me
15:04:07 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
15:04:14 <bjdmeest> Zakim, mute me
15:04:14 <Zakim> bjdmeest should now be muted
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15:04:20 <murakami> zakim, ??P19 is me
15:04:20 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
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15:05:00 <TomDN> Zakim, TomDN is with bjdmeest
15:05:00 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
15:05:03 <ivan> scribenick: pkra
15:05:14 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html
15:05:14 <Zakim> + +1.646.336.aaii
15:05:17 <pkra> tzviya: review of last week's minutes.
15:05:29 <pkra> ... approved.
15:05:38 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute bjdmeest
15:05:38 <Zakim> bjdmeest should no longer be muted
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15:06:05 <pkra> ???: new to the group: Ben
15:06:18 <TomDN> s/???/TomDN
15:06:25 <pkra> Ben: starting PhD at Multimedia Lab.
15:06:32 <Zakim> +Bert
15:06:37 <pkra> ... research in digital publishing
15:06:52 <Zakim> +madi
15:06:52 <TomDN> Zakim, mute bjdmeest
15:06:52 <Zakim> bjdmeest should now be muted
15:07:01 <TomDN> s/Ben/bjdmeest
15:07:24 <pkra> thx.
15:07:30 <tzviya> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140915T11&p1=179
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15:07:34 <ivan> Topic: early draft on content and markup
15:07:44 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-content-and-markup
15:07:45 <pkra> tzviya: first agenda item: early draft on content & markup
15:08:26 <pkra> ... we're interested in feedback about the direction of this document.
15:08:39 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-content-and-markup/
15:08:49 <pkra> ... especially from PF since contact has been limited
15:09:05 <pkra> ivan: is it possible to give a quick overview?
15:09:35 <pkra> tzviya: introducing a vocabulary into aria to have a publishing vocabulary introduced.
15:09:48 <pkra> ... to bring semantics from publishing.
15:10:06 <pkra> ... helps AT publishing specifics semantics and help user agents to make use of them.
15:10:17 <pkra> ... maybe people didn't have enough time to digest.
15:10:18 <pkra> ...
15:10:25 <pkra> ... perhaps move to next week?
15:10:31 <ivan> q+
15:10:39 <tzviya> zck ivan
15:10:45 <ivan> ack ivan
15:10:52 <tzviya> s/ack/ivan
15:11:01 <pkra> ivan: what I miss a little bit is how exactly the aria attr. will be used
15:11:12 <pkra> ... how would the terms be defined and by whom
15:11:19 <Zakim> +??P25
15:11:34 <pkra> tzviya: I was hoping Janina from PF group could comment on that.
15:12:25 <pkra> ... next step: build it out, work more with PF to have more to present to DPUB IG
15:12:44 <pkra> ivan: will be exciting to get this developed further
15:12:58 <Karen> Guest today is Pat Pagano, Director, Digital Content Operations
15:12:59 <pkra> tzviya: any other comments?
15:13:04 <dkaplan3> thanks for putting this together, tzviya
15:13:07 <Karen> from Barnes & Noble
15:13:11 <pkra> tzviya: main topic: TPAC
15:13:22 <ivan> zakim, ??P5 is Patrick_Pagano
15:13:22 <Zakim> I already had ??P5 as +35121723aacc, ivan
15:13:24 <pkra> ... several suggestions for meetings with other groups and internal meetings
15:13:40 <ivan> zakim, ??P25 is Patrick_Pagano
15:13:40 <Zakim> +Patrick_Pagano; got it
15:13:41 <pkra> ... a) PF on role attr
15:13:51 <pkra> ... b) HTML5 group on incorporating role
15:13:59 <pkra> ... c) session to talk about a11y
15:14:07 <pkra> ... d) with CSS to talk about pagination
15:14:31 <pkra> ... e) on i18n / RTL / bidi
15:14:37 <ivan> q+
15:14:41 <pkra> ... anything missing?
15:14:51 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
15:15:30 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/registrants#DP
15:15:33 <dkaplan3> q+
15:15:58 <pkra> ivan: check list of registered participants
15:16:09 <pkra> ... not sure if you can't or intend to come.
15:16:22 <pkra> ... we have to know if we have enough people for all task forces
15:16:39 <pkra> ... we should look at individual task forces to see how we can work around this.
15:16:48 <pkra> madi: for Pearson, I'll be there and others from Pearson
15:16:53 <clapierre> I will be there, I just haven't registered yet.
15:17:19 <pkra> ... but I'm not on the list.
15:17:20 <tzviya> ack dkaplan3
15:17:25 <pkra> tzviya: same for me.
15:17:37 <Karen> Here is link to registration for Technical Plenary: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
15:17:49 <Karen> +1 observe other groups
15:18:02 <pkra> ???: besides our meeting, are there any other open meetings DPUB IG members should plan to attend?
15:18:13 <Bert> (I will be at TPAC and very interested in discussing CSS & pagination, during CSS meeting, during DPub meeting, or both.)
15:18:23 <Karen> Note: Advance, online registration closes 8 October
15:18:27 <pkra> ivan: you can attend every group as an observer.
15:18:33 <pkra> ... you should say that on registration.
15:18:45 <pkra> ... and please do, so that organizers can plan (room size etc)
15:19:04 <pkra> ???: aside from ad-hoc meetings and our internal ones, are there any sessions we SHOULD observe
15:19:18 <pkra> ... do we know when ad-hoc meetings are likely to be?
15:19:35 <ivan> s/???/dkaplan3/
15:19:46 <pkra> ... I see on calendar 11--15 booked for ad-hoc meetings each day.
15:20:27 <pkra> ... would ad-hoc meetings all into "our" meetings time?
15:20:36 <pkra> ivan: not clear. We should try to fit it in our slots.
15:20:43 <pkra> ... then talk to staff contacts of other groups.
15:20:47 <Karen> q+
15:20:54 <pkra> ... then figure out how to organize that.
15:21:27 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/registrants#DP
15:21:34 <pkra> ... I'm worried: some people are registered and not on the list.
15:21:43 <pkra> ... who else has registered but is not on the previous link?
15:22:20 <pkra> ???: is there a difference between registering for TPAC and attending group meetings?
15:22:32 <pkra> ivan: ok, did people not list groups?
15:22:51 <pkra> ... during registration, you're asked which groups to attend -- did you?
15:22:57 <pkra> various: yes we did.
15:23:08 <pkra> ivan: mpf.
15:23:19 <pkra> (couldn't resist)
15:24:09 <pkra> ivan: examples to look into: madi, tzviya
15:25:06 <pkra> ivan: Bill_Kasdorf are you affected?
15:25:45 <pkra> Bill_Kasdorf: wasn't planning. metadata on the agenda. question if metadata is a good fit and if Frankfurt might not be a better opportunity.
15:25:55 <pkra> tzviya: point of this item to figure this out.
15:26:35 <pkra> ivan: chicken&egg problem. TPAC could be a more focused opportunity
15:26:48 <pkra> Bill_Kasdorf: is this Thursday?
15:26:51 <TimCole> I wouId like to see a metadata session some time on Thursday
15:26:55 <pkra> tzviya: Thur&Fri.
15:27:09 <Karen> Digital Publishing IG meetings at TPAC on 30 and 31 October in Santa Clara
15:27:12 <pkra> Bill_Kasdorf: still pretty full list
15:27:20 <pkra> tzviya: let's discuss this on TF meeting tomorrow.
15:27:37 <pkra> tzviya: Dave will be attending.
15:27:50 <pkra> ivan: but Dave not on the list.
15:28:16 <pkra> Luc: ppl in France not planning to attend.
15:28:26 <Karen> [from Hachette]
15:29:07 <pkra> tzviya: first pending additional item: pagination.
15:29:20 <pkra> ... sharing/working on samples.
15:29:43 <pkra> ... in particular, STEM => will be in touch with pkra / STEM TF
15:30:24 <pkra> ... item: a11y.
15:30:35 <pkra> ... conversation with PF on extending role
15:30:41 <pkra> ... but also: personalization
15:30:49 <pkra> ... bringing a11y under the umbrella for personalization
15:31:20 <pkra> ... since we went on different directions, this might be useful to unify
15:31:34 <pkra> ... we should consider document for user cases on personalization, in particular a11y
15:31:47 <dkaplan3> q+
15:31:48 <pkra> ... very interesrted to get feedback on this.
15:32:01 <pkra> especially from people involved with apip (?)
15:32:04 <ivan> q-
15:32:33 <ivan> ack dkaplan3
15:32:44 <pkra> ???: personalization more generally of interest?
15:32:59 <pkra> tzviya: we were trying to push a11y TF in one direction.
15:33:08 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Accessibility_and_Personalization
15:33:14 <pkra> ... more areas to explore (e.g., SVG)
15:33:23 <ivan> s/???/clapierre
15:33:34 <pkra> ... as we collected more use cases, they ended up under personalization
15:33:55 <pkra> ... so it made sense to have this generally.
15:34:36 <pkra> ... is there interest for clapierre and dkaplan3 (?) to draft something?
15:34:58 <pkra> ... is it possible to start something ~Oct 13?
15:35:08 <pkra> ... what else would you need from DPUB people?
15:35:25 <pkra> clapierre: connect key players in a call. First attempt last week failed.
15:35:34 <pkra> tzviya: who do you consider key?
15:35:57 <pkra> clapierre: Mike, Ivan, Thierry, Markus, Deborah, myself
15:36:15 <pkra> tzviya: suggest start offline with Deborah.
15:36:28 <pkra> ... need someone from validation.
15:36:34 <pkra> ... but too early right now.
15:36:53 <pkra> clapierre: correction: Mia
15:36:56 <ivan> q+
15:37:07 <pkra> tzviya: get started on the HTML page
15:37:20 <pkra> ... the get me and ivan together, then Markus to connect to the right people.
15:37:28 <pkra> clapierre: sounds good.
15:37:45 <pkra> tzviya: missing items: talked to pkra on STEM.
15:38:33 <tzviya> <pkra> STEM update - not as far along as had hoped, interviews are in progress
15:39:18 <tzviya> pkra: summaries are coming shortly,
15:39:34 <Zakim> - +1.646.336.aaii
15:40:06 <tzviya> pkra: should have something in writing by the end of the September
15:41:30 <pkra> ivan: brings up issue of remote attendance.
15:41:40 <pkra> ... should we do that? (Needs heads up to organize tech)
15:41:48 <clapierre> q+
15:42:10 <pkra> ... pkra could you join remotely?
15:42:14 <tzviya> ack dkaplan
15:42:15 <pkra> pkra: yes.
15:42:18 <ivan> q-
15:42:34 <tzviya> ack Karen
15:43:08 <pkra> Karen: point ppl to sign up for other groups to observe.
15:43:14 <pkra> ... wanted to make sure ppl are aware.
15:43:19 <Luc> If joining by call is avalable I would try though time shift isn't easy
15:43:21 <pkra> tzviya: thanks. In particular, annotation.
15:43:27 <tzviya> ack clapierre
15:43:38 <bjdmeest> I'm in the Annotation WG as well
15:44:01 <pkra> clapierre: to earlier item: Oct 13 actually won't work for me. Oct 20 better.
15:44:07 <pkra> tzviya: ok, let's work this out offline.
15:44:44 <pkra> tzviya: back to STEM at TPAC .
15:45:01 <pkra> ivan: I'll look into remote access.
15:45:55 <pkra> tzviya: should we add STEM to agenda and make it work timezone wise?
15:45:58 <pkra> ivan: yes.
15:46:33 <pkra> tzviya: what else should we focus on? Few chances for F2F.
15:47:01 <pkra> ivan: let's spend time on discussing goals for 2015.
15:47:18 <Karen> +1 planning session
15:47:19 <pkra> tzviya: agreed.
15:48:05 <Karen> q+
15:48:05 <pkra> Bill_Kasdorf: Great addition. I will try harder to make it.
15:48:24 <pkra> Karen: also inviting guests to observe at technical plenary
15:48:54 <pkra> tzviya: that was all we had for this on agenda.
15:49:02 <pkra> ... please be in touch with other topics.
15:49:11 <pkra> ... anything else?
15:49:22 <pkra> ... ok, then intros.
15:49:45 <pkra> ???: Nook media. Before that ebook production.
15:49:58 <pkra> ... now looking at epub3, new devices and fitting in old devices.
15:50:10 <Karen> s/???/Patrick Pagano, Nook/Barnes & Noble
15:50:16 <pkra> ... very keen to catch up and get active on the group.
15:50:20 <pkra> thx Karen.
15:50:30 <pkra> tzviya: thanks everybody!
15:50:47 <pkra> ... one last question: dress code for W3C gala?
15:50:54 <pkra> Karen: business casual.
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15:51:22 <Zakim> -clapierre
15:51:22 <Zakim> -fjh
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15:51:24 <Zakim> -MikeMiller
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15:51:39 <Zakim> -bjdmeest
15:51:40 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
15:51:40 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.240.421.aaaa, azaroth, +1.217.244.aacc, MikeMiller, Tzviya, clapierre, +1.609.216.aadd, Ivan, +1.617.439.aaee, +1.617.858.aaff, Karen_Myers, pkra, dkaplan3,
15:51:40 <Zakim> ... +33.1.41.23.aagg, TimCole, +1.734.904.aahh, [GVoice], Laura_Fowler, Luc, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, murakami, TomDN, +1.646.336.aaii, Bert, madi, Patrick_Pagano
15:57:39 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/15-dpub-minutes.html ivan
15:58:10 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
15:58:10 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:58:10 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:58:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/15-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
15:58:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:58:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items