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14:47:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:47:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
14:47:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:47:36 <trackbot> Date: 09 September 2014
14:47:37 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
14:47:37 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:47:38 <Zakim> 1. September 2nd Survey - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/ [from Joshue]
14:47:38 <Zakim> 2. Final publication review and approval. [from Joshue]
14:47:38 <Zakim> 3. Update on Accessibility Support Database Update from Shadi [from Joshue]
14:47:38 <Zakim> 5. Institutional Memory Collection for 26th August 2014 [from Joshue]
14:47:48 <Joshue108> zakim, clear agenda
14:47:48 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:47:55 <Joshue108> Chair: AWK
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14:48:25 <Joshue108> agenda+ Publication update
14:48:35 <Joshue108> agenda+ TPAC F2F - October 25-26, 2014
14:48:41 <Joshue108> agenda+ Miscellaneous Survey for September 9, 2014: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept9Survey2014/
14:48:48 <Joshue108> agenda+ Open actions (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open) and issues (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open)
14:49:33 <AWK> Regrets+ Kathy W, Brent, Bruce, Katie, Alistair Garrison, Jon Avila
14:50:58 <AWK> Agenda+ Comments needing responses https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
14:53:38 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started
14:53:45 <Zakim> +??P5
14:54:07 <Kenny> zakim, call kenny-mobile
14:54:07 <Zakim> ok, Kenny; the call is being made
14:54:09 <Zakim> +Kenny
14:55:25 <Zakim> +AWK
14:56:57 <Kenny> zakim, this will be WCAG
14:56:57 <Zakim> ok, Kenny, I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM already started
14:58:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:59:26 <Kenny> zakimm, IPcaller is Joshue
14:59:31 <Kenny> zakim, IPcaller is Joshue
14:59:31 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:00:12 <Zakim> +Sailesh_Panchang
15:00:28 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:00:31 <Kenny> RRSagent, make log
15:00:31 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make log', Kenny.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:00:39 <Kenny> RRSagent, make log world
15:02:00 <AWK> Zakim, what meeting is this?
15:02:01 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AWK.
15:02:14 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Kenny, AWK, Joshue, Sailesh_Panchang, David_MacDonald
15:03:04 <AWK> Chair: AWK
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15:05:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:17 <Loretta> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
15:05:17 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
15:05:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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15:06:29 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:06:43 <David> Scribe: David
15:07:03 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014JulSep/0222.html
15:07:36 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
15:07:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Publication update" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:08:06 <David> AWK: Publishing on Thursday
15:08:11 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:08:11 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, AWK
15:08:22 <AWK> Zakim, close item 1
15:08:23 <Zakim> agendum 1, Publication update, closed
15:08:23 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:23 <Zakim> 2. TPAC F2F - October 25-26, 2014 [from Joshue108]
15:08:32 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:08:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC F2F - October 25-26, 2014" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:09:37 <David> AWK: a couple of months ago we spoke about TPAC, katie, Michael, Kenny,  wondering about others
15:09:58 <David> Loretta: Intending to come Sunday afternoon and Monday
15:11:08 <David> AWK: polled about meeting ... majority wanted Sun -Mon instead of MON, Tues, or WED -Thurs.
15:11:32 <David> AWK: Adobe can't host again...
15:12:32 <David> AWK: if we do afternoon monday, or sunday... it's tough for remote...
15:13:20 <David> AWK: wanted to get a sense of who could come
15:13:36 <MichaelC> q+ to mention time zone
15:14:02 <AWK> ack michael
15:14:02 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention time zone
15:14:41 <David> Michael: For those remotely.... Norht A. will be differeent daylight savings than Europe... easier for europe
15:15:17 <David> Europe: 4pm-12am
15:15:30 <Joshue108> q+
15:15:58 <Joshue108> ack me
15:16:01 <David> AWK: is there reason for us to try to meet Mon-Tues? looks like sunday might be lightly... not sure if W3C could do that
15:16:37 <David> Michael: Might be hard to take back room from other groups who might be meeting one day...
15:17:36 <MichaelC> q+ to mention other registrants
15:17:47 <Joshue108> DMacD: I'm in a similar situation to Josh
15:18:02 <Joshue108> DMacD: I'm also in HTML5 and the a11y tf
15:18:08 <Joshue108> DMacD: Would like to go
15:18:21 <AWK> ack michael
15:18:21 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention other registrants
15:18:38 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:18:38 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:19:36 <David> MC: Vivian registered, Wilhelm, Lisa registered but maybe not depending on Cognitive task force...
15:20:10 <David> AWK: Tuesday might be a time to crank on techniques...
15:20:16 <Joshue108> ack me
15:20:21 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:20:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Survey for September 9, 2014: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept9Survey2014/" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:20:25 <David> AWK: it's coming soon...
15:20:32 <Joshue108> Da, da ,da
15:20:37 <Joshue108> zakim mute me
15:20:37 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept9Survey2014/results
15:20:47 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:20:47 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:21:11 <David> zakim, next item
15:21:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, David
15:22:20 <David> AWK: concerned about consultation on specific bits of code...
15:22:34 <Joshue108> TOPIC: LC-2964: 1.3.2. Violation?
15:22:40 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/REC-WCAG20-20081211/2964
15:25:47 <Joshue108> +q
15:26:00 <AWK> ack sa
15:26:26 <David> Loretta: I don't think we should be providing feedback over whether a page passes...
15:26:52 <Joshue108> ack me
15:26:53 <AWK> ack j
15:28:12 <David> RESOLUTION: accepted  LC-2964 as amended
15:29:16 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Mobile: Change to Technique G4
15:29:23 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G4
15:30:24 <Joshue108> DMacD: Are they OR statements?
15:30:32 <Joshue108> DMacD: So you don't need a pause button?
15:30:37 <Joshue108> AWK: What do ya mean?
15:30:48 <Joshue108> DMacD: Thats ok, I get it
15:31:24 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:31:24 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:32:12 <Joshue108> ack me
15:32:17 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:32:17 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:34:31 <David> AWK: does the addition of a 3rd bullet any more of a mobile technique than it is already
15:35:26 <Joshue108> ack me
15:37:45 <David> AWK: they could have modified the first two bullets rather than add a bullet
15:38:33 <David> Joshue: be good to weqve mobile language throughout such as gesture...
15:39:02 <David> s/weqve/weave
15:40:01 <David> AWK: maybe send it back to TF with that suggestion
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15:40:23 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:40:25 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G4
15:42:38 <David> James: we might want to not encourage bad stuff, such as scrolling news banners,
15:42:53 <David> AWK: techniques about scrolling content in general
15:43:26 <David> AWK: objections to sending back:
15:44:00 <David> RESOLUTION: leave open pending comments from the group, regarding weaving mobile language throughout, and modifying first two bullets...
15:44:01 <MichaelC> ack me
15:45:42 <AWK> zakim, next item
15:45:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Open actions (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open) and issues (https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open)" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:45:53 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 3
15:45:53 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Survey for September 9, 2014: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept9Survey2014/" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:46:14 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:46:15 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:48:07 <David> AWK: sounds like it is making real world over the internet... wondering if that is in scope
15:49:39 <David> Loretta: mobile is not necessary the internet... need to be careful when doing mobile techniques that we distinguish web and non web
15:52:57 <Joshue108> ack me
15:54:25 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:54:25 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:54:57 <David> James: sounds like just having the mobile device as a source of captions
15:55:31 <Joshue108> ack me
15:55:34 <David> AWK: send back, not sure whether it is online, any way to adapt example 1, or clarify....
15:57:09 <David> TOOIC: compendium draft survey
15:58:07 <David> TOPIC: Companion survey document
15:58:14 <MichaelC> q+
15:58:57 <MichaelC> q+ to say there are standard industry sectors we could look up
15:59:35 <David> Loretta: public/private.... but I'm not sure what buckets we want to put them in...
16:00:26 <David> Joshue: we toying with ideas with filtering, based on user preference, developer vs. designer, etc... procurer...
16:01:29 <David> Loretta: I support that but I don't think this question... we should put in an open question
16:02:13 <David> Joshue: list of roles... which do you most identify with
16:02:25 <David> Loretta: allow more than one selection
16:02:40 <David> Joshue: maybe an open ended tell us about yourself
16:03:08 <David> Loretta: tougher for us to analyse
16:03:45 <David> Joshue: policy, developer or procurer are my three main categories
16:03:53 <MichaelC> q-
16:04:00 <David> Loretta: I haven't been thinking about that
16:04:52 <David> Loretta: in the early days in the understanding
16:07:45 <Joshue108> I've pinged Kim and Kathy on both the G9 and G4 mobile techniques
16:07:56 <David> AWK: techniques #3 needs clarification
16:08:35 <David> AWK: concerned that survey too long, and not finished... maybe some branching is necessary
16:09:29 <David> Loretta: many think the documents are too complex and long.
16:11:38 <David> Joshue: being quite specific to give us an idea of what people are using or if they are using them the way we hope they are
16:13:23 <David> AWK: don't want ot remove the "have you read this section"... that will help us
16:13:58 <Joshue108> s/ot/to
16:14:08 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:14:08 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:15:23 <David> AWK: good to add country question
16:15:55 <MichaelC> ack me
16:15:59 <David> David: are we going to translate into other languages
16:16:14 <Joshue108> DMacD: What about other languages?
16:16:34 <Joshue108> MC: We could tap some other those who have done translations previously
16:16:43 <Joshue108> JOC: Good catch
16:17:42 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/translations
16:18:29 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:18:29 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:20:28 <David> AWL: seems fair not to provide survey in languages that don't have translations
16:20:47 <David> s/AWL/AWK:
16:22:18 <David> Sailesh: branching out can be helpful
16:22:26 <Joshue108> ack me
16:23:42 <Joshue108> JOC: If there is anything missing then let AWK and I know, either on list or ping us directly
16:24:36 <David> David: Government of Canada says XML schema too tough to contribute to
16:25:26 <David> AWK: that may be at a different level... we have on our radar about the XML...
16:26:24 <David> David: What survey mechnism... ours, survey monkey etc...?
16:26:49 <David> AWK: also Adobe forms or other tools possible
16:27:50 <David> Joshue: I like Survey Monkey... might be useful... our WBS doesn't have graphs charts etc.. does Adobe have charts etc...
16:28:09 <David> AWK: not sure if it has charts, not sure about branching...
16:28:25 <David> Joshue: Survey monkey is accessible out of the box
16:29:17 <David> Sailesh: where will we go to get word out
16:29:37 <David> AWK: webaim list, social networks...
16:30:22 <Joshue108> +1 to David
16:31:06 <David> David: if we use survey monkey it gives the impression its public and out there for them... whereas the WBS may give an internal flavour
16:31:16 <David> Joshue: me and michael agree
16:33:19 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:33:23 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
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16:38:33 <Zakim> -AWK
16:38:36 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:38:42 <Zakim> -Kenny
16:38:43 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:39:24 <David> Zakim, list attendees
16:39:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Cooper, Kenny, AWK, Joshue, Sailesh_Panchang, David_MacDonald, Loretta, James_Nurthen
16:39:34 <David> zakim, bye
16:39:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Michael_Cooper, Kenny, AWK, Joshue, Sailesh_Panchang, David_MacDonald, Loretta, James_Nurthen
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16:39:47 <David> rrsagent, make log public
16:39:55 <David> rrsagent, make minutes
16:39:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html David