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18:57:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
18:57:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
18:57:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
18:57:39 <trackbot> Date: 09 September 2014
18:57:46 <clown> RRSAgent, make log public
18:58:08 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
18:58:15 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
18:58:24 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:58:24 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
18:58:30 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:58:30 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:58:55 <clown> agenda: this
18:59:10 <clown> agenda+ News:  ACTION-1506:(All) Joseph to create editors draft of name/description computation document in github.
18:59:18 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed aria related states.
18:59:25 <clown> agenda+ Request from Rich: Discuss when to expose SVG objects in the absence of ARIA attributes.
18:59:33 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1396: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIAExpress mapping of grid role.
18:59:51 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-671/ACTION-1492: (David) Mapping of aria-invalid should be as tokens, not as strings. (see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html).
19:00:08 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for aria-describedby when referenced accessible is non-existant (see:  http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaDescribedBy).
19:00:17 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1311: (Joseph) Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists.
19:00:22 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
19:00:25 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role.
19:00:35 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1373: (Cynthia) Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements.
19:00:42 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1409: (Joanie) Progress on ATK API for position, level, etc.
19:00:55 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1445: (Cynthia) Investigate the ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists.
19:01:04 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-674/ISSUE-522/ACTION-1471: (Cynthia, Joseph) Name computation.
19:01:16 <clown> agenda+ Processing issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
19:01:21 <clown> agenda+ be done.
19:01:22 <joanie> Zakim, I am Joanmarie_Diggs
19:01:23 <Zakim> ok, joanie, I now associate you with Joanmarie_Diggs
19:02:10 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa
19:03:19 <Zakim> +??P7
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19:03:38 <davidb> Zakim, P7 is David_Bolter
19:03:38 <Zakim> sorry, davidb, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
19:03:46 <davidb> Zakim, ??P7 is David_Bolter
19:03:46 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
19:04:01 <clown> zakim , davidb is David_Bolter
19:04:12 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
19:04:12 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
19:04:15 <clown> zakim, David_Bolter is davidb
19:04:15 <Zakim> +davidb; got it
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19:04:37 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:04:44 <clown> scribenick:  davidb
19:06:30 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:07:06 <davidb> RS: did I see David Bolter is a scribe!?
19:07:44 <clown> regrets:  Cynthia_Shelley
19:08:25 <davidb> Zakim, next item
19:08:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "News:  ACTION-1506:(All) Joseph to create editors draft of name/description computation document in github." taken up [from clown]
19:08:32 <clown> action-1506?
19:08:32 <trackbot> action-1506 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Create editors draft of name/description computation document in github -- due 2014-09-15 -- OPEN
19:08:32 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1506
19:10:20 <davidb> JS: my focus here is to get this into its own document, then text can be clarified.
19:11:08 <davidb> RS: steve could help here
19:11:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aapi/#accessible-name-and-description-calculation
19:14:06 <davidb> DB: are you looking to abstract this?
19:14:17 <davidb> RS: abstract and then give concrete language for host language
19:14:30 <davidb> (RS working on SVG)
19:16:06 <davidb> JD: I'm fine with that
19:16:27 <davidb> DB: some broad stroke sentences might help at the beginning yeah
19:17:10 <clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20090224/#mapping_special_te
19:17:33 <davidb> that is a link to the original (aaronlev) algorithm style text
19:18:01 <davidb> JS: I think it is Aaron Leventhal's
19:19:52 <davidb> RS: step by step is important
19:22:15 <joanie> q+ To ask if there are existing tests for this?
19:23:10 <davidb> JD: seeing examples is useful are there official w3c tests?
19:23:13 <davidb> JS: yep
19:23:24 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1
19:27:05 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness
19:27:27 <davidb> JS: there are the tests etc for ARIA 1.0
19:31:16 <davidb> Zakim, next item
19:31:16 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, davidb
19:31:19 <davidb> q-
19:31:23 <davidb> Zakim, next item
19:31:23 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, davidb
19:31:27 <joanie> ack me
19:31:27 <Zakim> Joanmarie_Diggs, you wanted to ask if there are existing tests for this?
19:31:31 <davidb> Zakim, next item
19:31:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed aria related states." taken up [from clown]
19:31:37 <clown> action-980?
19:31:37 <trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-08-22 -- OPEN
19:31:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
19:35:07 <davidb> discussion about visibility
19:35:07 <davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility
19:35:37 <clown> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/AT-APIs/MSAA/States
19:36:27 <davidb> JS: move this to its own section, list the managed states with pointers into the document where already described
19:36:33 <davidb> (bullet 1 text)
19:39:19 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:39:55 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
19:40:11 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:40:11 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:40:18 <davidb> Zakim, next item
19:40:18 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Request from Rich: Discuss when to expose SVG objects in the absence of ARIA attributes." taken up [from clown]
19:40:19 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:40:21 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:42:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#WAIARIAAttributes
19:42:52 <davidb> RS: this is about once you apply the aria role ...
19:43:12 <davidb> RS: in 5.3. though there are implicit semantics
19:43:54 <davidb> (looking at circle)
19:44:10 <davidb> RS: trying to make sure a11y tree doesn't get too fat
19:44:51 <davidb> RS: in webkit they said, if you put a tite, desc, or aria-label*, you get a group role (in absence of specified aria role)
19:45:06 <davidb> RS: should aria-describedby trigger a group role
19:47:33 <davidb> title and desc are global native
19:49:21 <davidb> DB: my hands aren't dirty enough here
19:49:22 <clown> <circle … aria-describedby="id">  <span id="id">This is???</span>
19:53:33 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_additional_relations
19:53:54 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaDescribedBy
19:55:18 <davidb> (circle should be in the tree in this case)
19:55:53 <davidb> (discussion of "none" role)
19:58:10 <davidb> proceeding with 'none' over deprecated 'presentation'
20:00:16 <davidb> time check
20:01:47 <Zakim> -Bryan_Garaventa
20:02:00 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
20:02:17 <davidb> Zakim, part
20:02:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, davidb, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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20:02:37 <davidb> RRSAgent, stop