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14:13:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
14:13:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 47 minutes
14:13:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:13:56 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
14:14:29 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: meeting agenda for 2014-09-08: http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
14:14:34 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/5409D195.6000902@gmail.com
14:14:40 <ivan> Chair: Markus
14:15:50 <ivan> Regrets: Dave Cramer, Peter Krautzberger, Tim Cole, Karen Myers, Alan Stearns, Mike Miller
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14:58:48 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:58:48 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:58:55 <mgylling> regrets: Dave, Alan, Peter, Karen, Mike
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14:59:44 <Zakim> +??P24
14:59:47 <Zakim> +??P22
14:59:54 <Zakim> +duga
14:59:56 <mgylling> Zakim, ?P22 is me
14:59:56 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'
15:00:02 <Zakim> -??P24
15:00:07 <Zakim> +dkaplan3.a
15:00:07 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P22 is me
15:00:08 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
15:00:17 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaaa
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15:00:24 <Zakim> +tzviya
15:00:27 <liza> Zakim, dkaplan3.a is me
15:00:27 <Zakim> +liza; got it
15:00:42 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aabb
15:01:12 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is benjaminsko
15:01:12 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it
15:01:29 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aacc
15:01:30 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Luc
15:01:31 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
15:01:41 <Zakim> +??P2
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15:01:57 <clapierre> zakim, clapierre1 is me
15:01:57 <Zakim> +clapierre; got it
15:01:57 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Bill_Kasdorf
15:01:58 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
15:01:59 <Zakim> +??P6
15:02:08 <murakami> zakim,??P2 is me
15:02:08 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
15:02:23 <Zakim> +Julie
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15:03:35 <Zakim> +Liam
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15:03:46 <ivan> zakim, ??P6 pagano
15:03:46 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P6 pagano', ivan
15:03:50 <ivan> zakim, ??P6 is pagano
15:03:50 <Zakim> +pagano; got it
15:03:55 <Zakim> +david_stroup
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15:04:38 <Zakim> +Ruben
15:04:48 <TomDN> Zakim, Ruben is me
15:04:48 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
15:04:50 <Zakim> +pBelfanti
15:04:54 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
15:04:54 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:04:55 <ivan> zakim, pagano is Patrick_Pagano
15:04:55 <Zakim> +Patrick_Pagano; got it
15:05:05 <mgylling> zakim, pick a victim
15:05:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Liam
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15:05:24 <mgylling> zakim, pick a victim
15:05:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Bill_Kasdorf
15:06:03 <ivan> scribenick: julie
15:06:09 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:06:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, philm, Ivan, dkaplan3, mgylling, duga, liza, benjaminsko, tzviya, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Patrick_Pagano, Julie, madi, azaroth, Liam,
15:06:13 <Zakim> ... david_stroup, TomDN (muted), pBelfanti
15:06:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, TomDN, Julie, AkshatJ, madi, david_stroup, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, benjaminsko, tzviya, Luc, liza, brady_duga, philm, tmichel, mgylling, clapierre,
15:06:13 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, dkaplan3, astearns_, plinss, liam, trackbot
15:06:20 <liza> I volunteer for next time I'm on the call since I'm no longer chairing (but I'll be out next week)
15:06:29 <Zakim> + +91.99.70.18.aadd
15:06:32 <Julie> Markus: any objections to previous week's minutes- none, approved
15:07:03 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:07:24 <Julie> MGilling: Bill K. will review first draft of metadata TF
15:07:30 <mgylling> q?
15:07:44 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
15:08:00 <Zakim> + +1.718.701.aaee
15:08:32 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Askok_Bandyopadhyay
15:08:32 <Zakim> +Askok_Bandyopadhyay; got it
15:08:40 <Julie> PF meeting last week
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15:09:04 <Julie> two topics: 1) role attributes
15:09:09 <AkshatJ> sorry.. but aaad is Akshat Joshi from India
15:09:26 <Zakim> +Vlad
15:09:46 <ivan> zakim, Askok_Bandyopadhyay is AkshatJoshi
15:09:46 <Zakim> +AkshatJoshi; got it
15:09:57 <Julie> Tzviya: had  a call to determine next steps with protocols and formats
15:09:58 <AkshatJ> thank ivan :)
15:10:22 <Julie> some of documentation more formal than what group's documentation has been in the past
15:11:06 <Julie> Tzviya is working on formalizing ideas on why it's necessary to include several shared terms within the vocab for DPIG and PF
15:11:16 <Julie> she will have the document to share with all next week
15:11:21 <mgylling> q?
15:11:46 <Julie> MGylling: what do you see as the end result for this work?
15:12:16 <Julie> Tzviya: goal is to figure out a way to refine HTML terms to give them a bit more digital publishing-specific meaning
15:12:35 <Julie> meaningful for educational content
15:13:08 <Julie> read-aloud functionality, defining behaviors for a sighted or non-sighted reader
15:13:31 <mgylling> btw, recap: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Criteria_and_Options
15:14:16 <Julie> MGylling: either HTML5 needs to change, or EPUB spec will override the HTML5 spec
15:15:06 <Julie> ...when should EPUB be addressed... should we wait or act simultaneously with PF
15:15:33 <Julie> Tzviya: want to avoid drawing out process
15:15:59 <Julie> ...should timeline be part of document (for recommeded changes to HTML)
15:16:05 <ivan> +1 to Markus
15:16:21 <Julie> MGylling: at minimun, recognize the overlap and importance of timing
15:17:15 <Zakim> +??P0
15:17:15 <Julie> Deborah: Tzviya has covered most of issues, there are some other issues specific to accessibility, the Access. TF will be scheduling a meeting ASAP to address
15:17:19 <ivan> s/minimun/minimum/
15:17:40 <tmichel> zakim, ??P0 is me
15:17:40 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
15:17:44 <ivan> q+
15:17:48 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:17:52 <Julie> ...there may be some overlap with work that happens in PF, we will make sure the overlap is dealt with, but that these issues are also somewhat separate from PF
15:19:16 <Julie> ....will connect with Judy [last name?]
15:19:31 <mgylling> s/[last name?]/Brewer
15:19:37 <mgylling> ack liam
15:19:37 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to mention HTML accessibility tf
15:20:05 <Zakim> -duga
15:20:15 <Julie> Liam: mentioned accessibility TF, may be some connections
15:20:39 <Zakim> +duga
15:20:52 <Julie> Bill K: metadata report draft...
15:21:12 <Julie> Materials in GitHub now, Ivan has agreed to co-read and co-edit
15:21:26 <Julie> ...now open to the whole DPIG to contribute
15:21:28 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/ : report
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15:23:26 <Julie> ...three things currently there: 1) interview summary; interviews with people from a variety of publishing sectors on the pain points in metadata; 2) Madi Solomon's interviews of people within Pearson + her report; 3) Bill K and Madi S's conclusions for what needs to be done
15:24:02 <Julie> .. question is now what to recommend to the W3C for possible action, grounded in interviews and summary
15:24:41 <Julie> ...trade mainly concerned about discovery, educational focused on asset & content management, scholarly sees it as more or less a solved problem, news orgs. feel an urgency to write metadata
15:25:37 <Julie> ...summary not intended to be editorial, should be unbiased report of what was heard. Next step is to move ahead with recommendations
15:26:11 <Julie> ...looking for feedback from the IG
15:26:25 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/#initial-recommendations Initial recommendations
15:27:00 <Julie> ...futile for the w3C to establish vocabularies when there are existing vocabularies that work
15:27:26 <Julie> ...idea of schema.org a good example, the TF does believe schema.org can be enhanced with data used in ONIX
15:27:49 <Julie> ...but not necessarily as an "ONIX lite"
15:28:05 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
15:28:07 <Julie> ...some of ONIX is relevant, others not,
15:29:16 <azaroth> q+
15:29:55 <mgylling> q?
15:30:35 <madi> Must run.  Thank you Bill and Ivan.
15:30:39 <Zakim> -madi
15:32:05 <Julie> BISG is setting up a working group to identify the most essential ONIX elements to be carried forward to schema.org additions
15:32:21 <Julie> ..will work with W3C to figure out where to take it from there
15:32:54 <mgylling> ack azaroth
15:33:15 <Julie> Ivan: will have to figure out how the W3C and BISG will work together for mutual benefit to accomplish this
15:33:23 <tzviya> q+
15:33:47 <Julie> Bill K: good thing that BIll, Julie, Graham, and Laura Dawson all members of both BISG schema.org WG and W3C DPIG
15:33:55 <ivan> q+
15:34:20 <Julie> Bill K; next step to identify priorities
15:34:43 <Zakim> -Liam
15:34:51 <pbelfanti> apologies, need to drop
15:35:12 <Zakim> -AkshatJoshi
15:35:13 <ivan> Richard Wallis is the person to talk to
15:35:46 <Julie> linked data for libraries project w/OCLC
15:36:03 <Julie> ..how will this work interact with current work going on there?
15:36:27 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/participants list of participants in the schemabibtex group
15:36:52 <Julie> Laura: work at OCLC spearheaded  by Richard Wallis, was heavily library-centric
15:37:09 <azaroth> +1 to trying (again :) ) to breaking down the silos :)
15:37:46 <Julie> Bill K: library community far ahead of publishing in linked data space
15:37:56 <dkaplan3> +1 to synthesizing library and publisher needs, and working with lib linked dasta people
15:37:56 <mgylling> ack tzviya
15:38:24 <Julie> Tzviya: ?'s about overall metadata TF document...
15:39:05 <Julie> some are issues IG can approach and some are not
15:39:52 <Julie> ...burdensomeness of metadata related to lack of metadata traveling with content
15:40:43 <Julie> Bill K: important to note different types of metadata; some lives with content
15:41:10 <Julie> Tzviya: inconsistency also develops with lack of rules/standards, i.e. ISO dates
15:42:07 <Julie> Bill K: metadata associated with publication at a high level also needs to be associated with chunks within the content
15:42:16 <mgylling> q?
15:42:20 <Julie> these are DB issues that are not necessarily DPIG issues
15:42:28 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:42:33 <Zakim> -duga
15:43:27 <Julie> Ivan: WRT creating URLs or URL-like structures, these should be used for metadata
15:44:09 <Julie> ...needs to be emphasized in the document the connections between annotations
15:44:54 <Julie> Bill K: need comments about what W3C recommendations should focus on, i.e. schema.org work
15:45:27 <Julie> ...i.e. what recommendations within the document are W3C issues
15:45:30 <ivan> q+
15:46:05 <Julie> MGylling: Tzviya could repeat her comments in an email as a start?
15:46:10 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:46:11 <Julie> Tzviya will do
15:47:05 <Julie> Ivan: IG can use the tracker to discuss/manage specific issues, so any email that goes through the IG referencing this issue will be logged
15:47:23 <Julie> ... if there are changes, these should  be added directly to GitHub
15:47:57 <Julie> Ivan: tracker should be used to properly record issues
15:48:10 <mgylling> q?
15:49:22 <Julie> MGylling: final agenda item - agenda for TPAC
15:50:10 <azaroth> :) Thank you Tzviya
15:50:10 <Julie> ...IG has had good progress for finding a replacement co-chair, but not formally decided-- Tzviya will soon be able to step up as co-chair
15:50:16 <Luc> +1
15:50:21 <Julie> Tzviya will be there and help lead TPAC
15:50:22 <philm> +1
15:50:31 <Julie> +1
15:50:38 <Bill_Kasdorf> Hooray!!
15:51:05 <Julie> MGylling: ... which other WGs should the IG try to set up meetings with
15:51:45 <Julie> proposed draft of agenda for next meeting
15:52:08 <azaroth> The overlap with Annotations is so high I'm not sure that there's any need to have a formal, separate meeting?
15:52:18 <Julie> ...WG's to meet with: Protocols and Formats, CSS,
15:52:39 <Julie> ..agenda for CSS? draft of pagination requirements to present to them
15:52:55 <Julie> Tzviya: just a few elements ready most likley
15:53:20 <Julie> ...HTML WG, meeting re-validation issues a possibility
15:54:26 <Julie> ...Ivan will help identify who on HTML are key to meet with
15:54:41 <Julie> ...Liam may be able to identify Accessibility TF contacts
15:55:18 <Julie> ...Ivan: is pagination discussion something that would require changes on the dom level?
15:56:19 <liam> [i'm the staff contact for the html accessibility tf]
15:56:26 <Julie> MGylling: what about Annotations? Ivan: WG will have meeting on Tues
15:57:30 <clapierre> q+
15:57:37 <Julie> ...large degree of overlap between Annotations and DPIG, but not specific topics to discuss at this point
15:57:38 <ivan> q+
15:57:48 <mgylling> ack clapierre
15:58:08 <Julie> Charlie LaPierre: possible meeting between diagrams team and accessibility team re-SVG attribution
15:58:50 <Julie> ...accessibility WG meeting on Th & Fri.
15:59:13 <Julie> Ahn Bui at Benetech on accessibility team
15:59:52 <azaroth> +1 :)
15:59:53 <Julie> ...Benetech has offered to have an after-meeting gathering
16:00:02 <Julie> at some point during the week
16:00:02 <Zakim> -pBelfanti
16:00:03 <ivan> q-
16:00:24 <Julie> Tzviya: what about internationalization?
16:00:26 <ivan> q+
16:00:39 <mgylling> ack ivan
16:01:01 <Julie> Right-left and Vertical-right are huges issues
16:01:27 <Zakim> -philm
16:01:29 <Julie> ...pagination could be a topic to reach out to that group for help on
16:01:48 <Julie> Ivan: F2F this week in Beijing on Chinese requirements
16:02:22 <Julie> ...only one character set, but an important one
16:03:27 <Zakim> -Patrick_Pagano
16:03:42 <Julie> MGylling: co-chairs and Ivan will produce a proposed agenda next week, open to suggestions
16:03:49 <mgylling> q?
16:04:01 <Julie> ...thanks everyone, until next Monday
16:04:02 <Zakim> -TomDN
16:04:24 <Zakim> -azaroth
16:04:24 <Julie> [end of call]
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16:04:26 <Zakim> -mgylling
16:04:27 <Zakim> -Luc
16:04:28 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
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16:04:30 <Zakim> -Vlad
16:04:30 <Zakim> -Ivan
16:04:30 <Zakim> -clapierre
16:04:30 <Zakim> -tzviya
16:04:31 <Zakim> -Julie
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16:04:45 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
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16:09:41 <Zakim> Attendees were philm, Ivan, dkaplan3, duga, mgylling, +1.917.447.aaaa, tzviya, liza, +33.6.48.38.aabb, benjaminsko, +1.734.904.aacc, Luc, clapierre, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Julie,
16:09:42 <Zakim> ... madi, azaroth, Liam, david_stroup, TomDN, pBelfanti, Patrick_Pagano, +91.99.70.18.aadd, +1.718.701.aaee, Vlad, AkshatJoshi, tmichel
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