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14:37:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:37:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:37:28 <trackbot> Date: 02 September 2014
14:37:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 23 minutes
14:37:32 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
14:37:37 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
14:37:37 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:37:38 <Zakim> 5. Review open issues and actions http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open [from Joshue108]
14:40:09 <Joshue> zakim, clear agenda
14:40:09 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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14:50:00 <Joshue> agenda+ September 2nd Survey - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/
14:50:15 <Joshue> agenda+ Final publication review and approval.
14:50:22 <Joshue> agenda+ Update on Accessibility Support Database Update from Shadi
14:50:31 <Joshue> agedna+ Continue Institutional Memory Collection from 26th August 2014 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/IMCAugust2014/
14:50:47 <Joshue> agenda+ Review open issues and actions http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open
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14:57:21 <shadi> zakim, code?
14:57:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi
14:57:30 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:57:30 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:57:31 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started
14:57:32 <Zakim> +Shadi
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14:58:23 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
14:59:02 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
14:59:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:47 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
14:59:47 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:00:19 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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15:00:54 <bbailey> zakim, bbailey is bruce
15:00:54 <Zakim> sorry, bbailey, I do not recognize a party named 'bbailey'
15:01:05 <bbailey> zakim, bruce is bbailey
15:01:05 <Zakim> +bbailey; got it
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15:01:37 <Zakim> +jon_avila
15:01:39 <Zakim> +AWK
15:02:21 <Joshue> Scribe list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
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15:02:26 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, bbailey, Kathy_Wahlbin, Joshue, David_MacDonald, Brent_Shiver, Mike_Elledge, jon_avila, AWK
15:03:02 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:03:17 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:03:17 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:03:25 <Kathy> scribe: Kathy
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15:03:54 <Zakim> +Kenny
15:04:14 <Joshue> zakim, next item
15:04:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "September 2nd Survey - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/" taken up [from Joshue]
15:04:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:35 <agarrison> zakim, ipcaller is alistair
15:04:35 <Zakim> +alistair; got it
15:04:44 <Zakim> -alistair
15:04:46 <bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/results
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15:04:48 <Kathy> TOPIC:  Publication of editors draft
15:05:09 <agarrison> zakim, ipcaller is alistair
15:05:09 <Zakim> sorry, agarrison, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
15:05:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:15 <agarrison> zakim, ipcaller is alistair
15:05:15 <Zakim> +alistair; got it
15:05:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:56 <Loretta> zakim, ipcaller is Loretta
15:05:56 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
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15:06:28 <Zakim> +cstrobbe
15:06:42 <Kathy> Josh - review of the commnents; jon had comment about h2
15:06:48 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
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15:07:10 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140902/H2.html
15:07:25 <AWK> Text: Check that the a element contains an img element that has a null alt attribute, that is alt="", or text that supplements the link text and describes the image
15:07:28 <Kathy> Jon - text was confusing in the text for the tests
15:07:39 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
15:07:39 <Zakim> cstrobbe should now be muted
15:08:41 <Kathy> Jon - is the text that supplements the link text may be confusing
15:09:04 <AWK> q+
15:10:02 <Kathy> AWK - I think we did clarify it but the language may be mixed up
15:10:58 <Kathy> AWK - we should have the check that the image has null attribute or that the alt text is supplemental.  Either one needs to be true
15:11:05 <David> +1
15:11:36 <Kathy> Josh - needs to be cleaned up
15:11:48 <Loretta> +1 David. Let's just fix it.
15:11:56 <Kathy> Jon - some text changes will clarify it
15:11:56 <AWK> Suggestion.  remove #1 and keep 2 and change to: Check that the a element contains an img element that has either a null alt attribute value or a value that supplements the link text and describes the image
15:12:04 <AWK> q+
15:12:41 <Kathy> AWK - suggested text to clarify #1 and #2
15:12:42 <Joshue> ack awk
15:13:04 <Kathy> Josh - any comments on the suggested text
15:13:19 <Kathy> David - suggestion for an update to the text
15:13:40 <David> Suggestion. remove #1 and keep 2 and change to: Check that the a element contains an img element that has either a null alt attribute value or a alt text value that supplements the link text and describes the image
15:14:04 <Kathy> Josh - any objections to the suggested text
15:14:42 <Kathy> AWK - need to have consistent terms
15:14:58 <Kathy> Jon - fine with either term
15:15:19 <Kathy> Josh - prefers Andrew's version
15:15:29 <Kathy> David - no strong preference
15:15:36 <Kathy> +1
15:15:43 <jon_avila> +1
15:15:45 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:15:46 <David> +1
15:15:49 <Loretta> +1
15:15:49 <agarrison> Andrews +1
15:15:51 <bbailey> +1 to AWK edit
15:15:52 <Joshue> +1
15:16:02 <Kathy> Josh - any other comments?
15:16:22 <Kathy> Josh - we will use Andrew's suggested text
15:16:25 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140902/H2.html
15:17:09 <Kathy> RESOLUTION: publish as amended.  Andrew's updated text will be used for H2.
15:18:06 <Kathy> Josh - the change will be integrated in the coming days
15:18:34 <Kathy> RESOLTION: the editor's draft will be published
15:18:35 <Loretta> :-)
15:18:38 <Mike_Elledge> :^)
15:18:51 <bbailey> :)
15:19:48 <Kathy> Josh: both shadi and Alistair have items for the agenda
15:19:54 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:19:54 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
15:19:55 <Zakim> 1. September 2nd Survey - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/ [from Joshue]
15:19:55 <Zakim> 2. Final publication review and approval. [from Joshue]
15:19:55 <Zakim> 3. Update on Accessibility Support Database Update from Shadi [from Joshue]
15:20:08 <Zakim> +??P20
15:20:13 <AWK> XML documents updated so ready for publication (including diff markup, Michael)
15:20:36 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Creating_a_conforming_alternate_version_for_a_web_page_designed_with_progressive_enhancement
15:20:40 <bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/results
15:20:42 <Kathy> TOPIC: Final review draft of the technique
15:20:56 <Kathy> "Creating a conforming alternate version for a web page designed with progressive enhancement"
15:21:09 <agarrison> http://www.edgeatlanta.com/news/national
15:21:21 <Kathy> Alistair - looking for an example
15:22:26 <Kathy> Alistair - example provides  different view for low bandwidth
15:22:42 <AWK> q+
15:22:47 <Joshue> ack awk
15:22:47 <Kathy> Alistair - this would be the conforming version
15:23:32 <Kathy> AWK - Live example is not necessary for approving it but it would be good to have it.  Have one that is simple and easy to use.
15:23:48 <Kathy> Alistair - can put together an example
15:24:22 <Kathy> Josh- any objections to accepting this
15:24:38 <Joshue> q?
15:25:14 <Kathy> David - this is the dumbed down HTML version that provides sites from providing alternative version without having to fix the other one
15:25:36 <Kathy> RESOLUTIONL: accepted
15:25:53 <Kathy> Josh - please put in some live examples that can be included
15:25:53 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:25:53 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:26:06 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:26:06 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
15:26:07 <Zakim> 1. September 2nd Survey - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/ [from Joshue]
15:26:07 <Zakim> 2. Final publication review and approval. [from Joshue]
15:26:07 <Zakim> 3. Update on Accessibility Support Database Update from Shadi [from Joshue]
15:26:33 <Kathy> AWK - we had a discussion on captioning, the check says to check for a conforming version - this is an example of where we have done this
15:28:20 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140306/2963
15:28:36 <Kathy> TOPIC: Response to comment 2963: F89 confusing
15:28:42 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
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15:28:52 <Kathy> Josh - any objecting to accepting the response?
15:29:00 <Kathy> RESOLUTION: accepted
15:29:01 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:29:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:29:10 <Kathy> TOPIC: Update on Accessibility Support Database Update from Shadi
15:29:12 <shadi> ack me
15:29:19 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/dev/
15:29:20 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 3
15:29:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update on Accessibility Support Database Update from Shadi" taken up [from Joshue]
15:29:36 <Joshue> B-)
15:29:38 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/dev/
15:29:47 <Kathy> Shadi - this is an update on the work done on the accessibility support database
15:29:52 <Joshue> q?
15:30:06 <Kathy> Shadi - this has the latest updates
15:30:25 <Kathy> Shadi - we have been working on the workflow
15:30:41 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:30:41 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:30:41 <Kathy> Shadi - when the test cases are ready, they can be uploaded
15:30:54 <Kathy> Shadi - everyone has access as contributor role
15:31:09 <Kathy> Shadi - you have the power to delete test cases so be careful
15:31:51 <Kathy> Shadi - when you get to the page, you can browse and run test cases.  You can also submit test case using your W3C account
15:32:42 <Kathy> Shadi - can see published WCAG techniques and editor draft techniques
15:33:17 <Kathy> Shadi - there are two labels: unconfirmed and accepted
15:33:32 <Kathy> Shadi - can add code and files to the test case
15:34:52 <Kathy> Shadi - form has not yet been approved
15:35:06 <Kathy> Shadi - when you go back to the homepage, browse test results
15:35:28 <Kathy> Shadi - can filter to show unconfirmed test cases
15:35:36 <Joshue> q?
15:36:11 <Kathy> Shadi - that is the main change.  Still creating functions to add/delete to maintain the database
15:36:27 <Kathy> AWK - where is the unconfirmed test case
15:36:43 <Kathy> Shadi - all of them are unconfirmed
15:37:21 <Kathy> Shadi - are making changes to make it easier
15:37:37 <Kathy> James - I see version numbers but not point releases for the AT
15:38:09 <Kathy> Shadi - we are storing the different versions, so we can roll back results
15:38:48 <Kathy> James - the exact version is important to know if it is supported
15:39:20 <agarrison> q+
15:39:28 <Joshue> ack me
15:39:49 <Kathy> Shadi - the versions are dynamic from the database so if the information is provided it will be included
15:39:52 <David> q+
15:40:38 <Kathy> Shadi - can look at this in the environment and people can enter in it
15:40:44 <AWK> I do see Windows 6.1 in the OS list
15:40:54 <Kathy> James - not requiring people to enter in point release values
15:41:19 <Kathy> Shadi - This is automatically being filled in based on what the browser is sending over
15:41:36 <Kathy> James - browsers are sending more information
15:41:43 <Kathy> Shadi - then this is a bug
15:42:01 <Kathy> Shadi - the challenge is the granualarity
15:42:29 <Joshue> ack agar
15:42:30 <Kathy> Shadi - we are thinking about this
15:42:34 <Joshue> q+
15:42:49 <Kathy> Alistair - the versions need to be stored when the test is done
15:43:23 <Kathy> Alistair - the test cases look manual, are any automated
15:43:41 <Kathy> Alistair - who and when do you envision users to use the tool?
15:43:41 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:43:41 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:44:41 <Kathy> Shadi - test cases are not easily automated; volunteers are needed
15:45:11 <Kathy> Alistair - concentrate on the ones that need to be manually checked
15:45:26 <Kathy> Shadi - this was designed for test cases for manual review
15:45:57 <Kathy> Shadi - this is an attempt to do it using crowd sourcing
15:46:16 <Kathy> Shadi - this could come from the working group as techniques are developed
15:46:45 <Kathy> Shadi - test cases can be entered directly into the tool.  This may also encourage people to review
15:46:55 <Joshue> ack me
15:47:00 <Joshue> ack david
15:47:14 <Kathy> David - found a couple of bugs
15:47:24 <Kathy> Shadi - there is the GitHub list
15:48:10 <Kathy> Shadi - does not include G techniques
15:48:24 <Kathy> David - there are HTML techniques in G
15:48:27 <jamesn> q to ask if you want comments on the accessibility of the system?
15:48:39 <Joshue> ack Josh
15:49:19 <Kathy> Josh - visual look and feel; structure looks good but the color contrast is poor
15:49:37 <Kathy> Shadi - we are happy to take suggestions
15:50:27 <Kathy> Josh - some simple changes could make a difference
15:50:36 <Kathy> Shadi - can log this into GitHub
15:50:53 <Kathy> https://github.com/w3c/wai-axsdb-web
15:51:12 <Kathy> https://github.com/w3c/wai-axsdb-web/issues
15:51:44 <Joshue> q?
15:52:03 <Kathy> James - what is the framework used?
15:52:44 <Kathy> Shadi - some user testing has been done
15:53:06 <agarrison> q+
15:53:17 <Kathy> Shadi - let us know about issues
15:53:45 <Kathy> James - the logout button should be a button not a link
15:53:47 <Joshue> ack agar
15:53:54 <Kathy> q+
15:54:05 <Joshue> q?
15:54:17 <Kathy> James - if it looks like a button visually then it shoud be a button
15:54:43 <Kathy> Shadi - will look into this
15:55:21 <Kathy> Alistair - failure conditions
15:55:44 <Kathy> Shadi - we did not pull them in since the usage would be limited
15:56:00 <Kathy> Shadi - is there a failure that needs a test case
15:56:05 <Joshue> q?
15:56:13 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:56:13 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:56:20 <Kathy> Shadi - this is primarily for techniques
15:56:53 <Zakim> -Brent_Shiver
15:57:28 <Kathy> q-
15:57:28 <Joshue> ack Kathy
15:57:47 <Joshue> KW: Is mobile includeded?
15:57:57 <Joshue> s/includeded/included
15:58:12 <Kathy> Shadi - this will work for mobile
15:58:37 <Joshue> KW: THe Mobile TF is writing techniques and testing, so we could use this right?
15:58:49 <Joshue> SAZ: Yes, that is my hope. Its buggy but workable
15:59:03 <Joshue> SAZ: The WG should start testing
15:59:26 <Joshue> SAZ: As you develop techs, the test cases could be written directly with this tool
15:59:41 <Joshue> SAZ: This will also give the public the chance to contribute.
15:59:55 <Joshue> KW: The Icon fonts need aria-hidden
16:00:03 <Joshue> SAZ: Ok
16:00:09 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/dev/#/results-technique.html/H4
16:00:40 <Joshue> SAZ: Overview of approaches to linking to techs etc
16:00:48 <Joshue> <discusses design features>
16:00:56 <Joshue> ack me
16:01:16 <Kathy> Josh - would you like us to review; where can we help
16:01:22 <jamesn> q to note that the fonts are (I think) in the private use area of unicode so shouldn't need aria-hidden
16:01:25 <jamesn> ack me
16:02:11 <Kathy> Shadi - the big question is: Is this tool useful?
16:02:28 <Kathy> Shadi - can be added to the accessibility support area of the techniques
16:02:47 <Kathy> Shadi - we can check in a few weeks
16:03:17 <Kathy> Josh - the more information about the system is null link
16:03:34 <AWK> Q+ to ask what the situation is regarding future development - resources available?
16:04:00 <Kathy> Shadi - there will be more information and guides
16:04:17 <Kathy> Josh - when will this be up and running
16:04:24 <Kathy> Shadi - 2-3 weeks
16:04:50 <Kathy> James - the fonts may not need aria-hidden
16:04:53 <agarrison> Back button doesn't seem to work on http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/dev/#/log-in.html
16:04:54 <Joshue> ack AWK
16:04:54 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to ask what the situation is regarding future development - resources available?
16:05:18 <Kathy> AWK - future development: what resources are available
16:05:27 <Kathy> Shadi - essentially none
16:05:43 <Kathy> Shadi - bugs will be fixed
16:06:21 <Kathy> Shadi - major features will not be added at this time
16:06:50 <Kathy> AWK - this helps to manage our expectation
16:07:14 <Kathy> Josh - good job, thanks for the update
16:07:36 <Joshue> q?
16:07:44 <Kathy> Shadi - look forward to feedback
16:08:24 <Joshue> agenda+  Institutional Memory Collection for 26th August 2014
16:08:25 <Kathy> Shadi - names are logged in the test cases
16:08:34 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
16:08:34 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:08:35 <Zakim> 1. September 2nd Survey - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Sept2nd_2014/ [from Joshue]
16:08:35 <Zakim> 2. Final publication review and approval. [from Joshue]
16:08:35 <Zakim> 3. Update on Accessibility Support Database Update from Shadi [from Joshue]
16:08:35 <Zakim> 5. Institutional Memory Collection for 26th August 2014 [from Joshue]
16:09:02 <shadi> zakim, mute me
16:09:02 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
16:09:12 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 5
16:09:12 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Institutional Memory Collection for 26th August 2014" taken up [from Joshue]
16:09:13 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/IMCAugust2014/results
16:10:16 <Kathy> TOPIC: Institutional Memory
16:10:29 <Kathy> Josh - always good to talk through these
16:10:56 <Loretta> I thought we were supposed to edit the wiki itself.
16:10:57 <Kathy> Josh - AWK added information to the WIKI
16:11:07 <Kathy> Loretta - I did too
16:11:40 <Kathy> Loretta - the last paragraph was what I added
16:11:54 <Kathy> Josh - debate orginally about what was sufficient for this
16:12:13 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG20/Institutional_Memory/SC_2.4.1
16:12:14 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG20/Institutional_Memory/SC_2.4.1
16:12:21 <David> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Main_Page
16:12:32 <Kathy> David - is there a link on the main page to this
16:12:36 <Kathy> Josh - no
16:13:39 <Joshue> zakim, who is beeping?
16:13:39 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Joshue.
16:13:42 <Joshue> lol
16:13:43 <Kathy> AWK - always some amount of debate about the number of links
16:14:52 <David> I added link to main page https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Main_Page
16:14:58 <Kathy> AWK - there is a perception that this is only for screen readers users since the keyboard support is not default in the browsers
16:15:19 <Joshue> zakim, q?
16:15:19 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:15:20 <jon_avila> Some people question whether this is relevant to mobile touchscreen devices.
16:15:28 <Kathy> AWK - gets into the WCAG / UUAG
16:16:23 <Kathy> Loretta - a lot discussion about efficient keyboard support / navigation
16:16:42 <Kathy> Josh - now there are other things that we can use to meet this
16:17:00 <Kathy> Loretta - there is usability issues for keyboard users that we did not fit into the technique
16:17:12 <Kathy> Josh - maybe something for later
16:17:24 <jon_avila> There is also applicability for software -- e.g. equivalent to moving between panes of software applications.
16:17:41 <Kathy> Bruce - remembers that this being added from 508 .22(o)
16:18:58 <Kathy> Josh - is there other information that should be added to the WIKI
16:19:12 <Kathy> Josh - look at the second one on page titles
16:19:13 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG20/Institutional_Memory/SC_2.4.2
16:20:17 <jon_avila> I asked it.
16:20:41 <Kathy> AWK: jon responded to question on the list about iframes, which made me remember this
16:21:04 <Kathy> AWK: iframe is embedded into the page, this does not apply
16:21:39 <Kathy> AWK: the question was about iframe embedded into the page, what do you do for title
16:21:45 <Joshue> q?
16:21:59 <jon_avila> I found that JAWS 15 and IE will announce the embedded page title over the title attribute on an iFrame if one is present.
16:22:16 <David> +1
16:22:31 <Kathy> AWK: frame does need a title - covered under other success criteria
16:23:18 <jon_avila> could you meet 2.4.2 with an embedded HTML page title if it was accessibility supported and no iframe title.?
16:23:48 <Kathy> Loretta - oriented around navigation orientation issue
16:24:06 <Kathy> Loretta - also added for cognitive impairements
16:24:38 <Kathy> Josh - reading Loretta's comment - page titles do not need to be unique
16:24:47 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:25:23 <Kathy> Bruce - contemporary browser behavior makes this requirement less relevant; harder see the page title
16:25:53 <Kathy> Bruce - this is more difficult requirement for other types of formats
16:26:12 <AWK> q+ to ask bruce what formats doc title is hard for
16:26:27 <jon_avila> This topic raises questions around mobile app titles where space is limited and hybrid or native apps may not show titles.  Applying WCAG to non-web ICT indicates page titles are equivalent to app titles.
16:27:11 <Kathy> Josh - this is the first thing screen reader reads
16:28:49 <Kathy> AWK - trend is to show smaller pieces of the title
16:29:19 <AWK> ack me
16:29:19 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to ask bruce what formats doc title is hard for
16:29:20 <jon_avila> q+
16:29:20 <Joshue> KW: Mobile also has shorter titles
16:29:22 <Joshue> ack awk
16:29:26 <jon_avila> q-
16:29:44 <Kathy> Bruce - filename gets confused with document title
16:29:45 <jon_avila> In Safari on iOS I see iOS displaying the url and not displaying the page title.
16:30:05 <Joshue> ack jon
16:30:24 <Kathy> Jon - on iPhone Safari shows the URL and there is no page title
16:30:55 <Kathy> James - can see the page title in the tab view
16:31:18 <Kathy> Jon - both have consequences to mobile apps
16:31:41 <Kathy> Jon- do all mobile app pages need a title
16:31:46 <Kathy> Josh - out of time
16:32:16 <Mike_Elledge> bye!
16:32:19 <Zakim> -Mike_Elledge
16:32:20 <Kathy> zakim, list attendees
16:32:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, Bruce_Bailey, Kathy_Wahlbin, Joshue, David_MacDonald, Brent_Shiver, Mike_Elledge, bbailey, jon_avila, AWK, Kenny, alistair, Loretta,
16:32:23 <Zakim> ... cstrobbe, Marc_Johlic, Michael_Cooper, James_Nurthen
16:32:23 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:32:23 <Zakim> -jon_avila
16:32:27 <Zakim> -bbailey
16:32:28 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:32:29 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:32:31 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:32:32 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
16:32:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-wai-wcag-minutes.html Kathy
16:32:35 <Zakim> -Kenny
16:32:40 <Kathy> rrsagent, make logs public
16:32:43 <Zakim> -alistair
16:32:47 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:32:53 <AWK> trackbot, end meeting
16:32:53 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:32:53 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, Bruce_Bailey, Kathy_Wahlbin, Joshue, David_MacDonald, Brent_Shiver, Mike_Elledge, bbailey, jon_avila, AWK, Kenny, alistair, Loretta,
16:32:57 <Zakim> ... cstrobbe, Marc_Johlic, Michael_Cooper, James_Nurthen
16:32:57 <Zakim> -cstrobbe
16:33:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:33:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/02-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
16:33:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:33:02 <RRSAgent> I see no action items