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13:57:17 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:57:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:57:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:57:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:57:22 <trackbot> Date: 28 August 2014
13:57:34 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Aug/0044.html
13:57:38 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:57:42 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:57:46 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:57:53 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:57:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:00:35 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:00:35 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:00:36 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:37 <Zakim> +Richard
14:01:07 <Zakim> +aphillip
14:01:19 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip
14:01:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
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14:04:53 <aphillip> zakim, ??P1 is David
14:04:53 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:05:02 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:05:21 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:05:32 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:06:17 <aphillip> close action-327
14:06:17 <trackbot> Closed action-327.
14:06:33 <aphillip> close action-331
14:06:33 <trackbot> Closed action-331.
14:07:03 <aphillip> close action-333
14:07:03 <trackbot> Closed action-333.
14:07:19 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:07:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:07:45 <aphillip> richard: just this second
14:08:04 <aphillip> .... uploaded a new indic layout requirements draft
14:08:19 <aphillip> richard: published new pre-defined counter styles
14:08:29 <aphillip> ... so look at that if interested as well
14:08:39 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/indic-layout/
14:08:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:08:57 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
14:10:12 <aphillip> richard: on 7th of sept going to china
14:10:21 <aphillip> ... meeting about chinese layout requirements
14:10:32 <aphillip> ... includes minority language
14:11:02 <aphillip> ... community members
14:11:24 <aphillip> Topic: Review RADAR
14:11:37 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:12:12 <aphillip> Topic: Encoding LC
14:12:38 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html
14:13:46 <aphillip> richard: logistical issues publishing if I'm traveling the 7th
14:13:55 <aphillip> ... will have a call with PLH, requires addison also
14:14:03 <aphillip> ... need to close off all issues
14:14:54 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-355
14:15:17 <r12a> verified ok
14:15:19 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-371
14:16:41 <aphillip> (discussion of 371)
14:16:56 <aphillip> richard: write back to Martin and check if he is now satisfied
14:16:58 <aphillip> addison: will do
14:17:27 <aphillip> action: addison: write back to martin to verify satisfaction on encoding 371
14:17:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - Write back to martin to verify satisfaction on encoding 371 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
14:17:35 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-372
14:19:52 <aphillip> addison: nudge martin on 372 also
14:21:05 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-373
14:21:43 <aphillip> richard: probably count as verified
14:21:57 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to note that 373 is verified
14:21:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - Note that 373 is verified [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-04].
14:22:01 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-374
14:23:17 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014JulSep/0195.html
14:24:31 <aphillip> leandro: will contact larry masinter to follow up
14:24:37 <aphillip> ... send you the email
14:25:32 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26256
14:25:32 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26256
14:26:36 <aphillip> action: addison: write to josh bell to confirm satisfaction on 26256
14:26:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-336 - Write to josh bell to confirm satisfaction on 26256 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
14:26:44 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-385
14:26:51 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-385
14:27:03 <aphillip> richard: done, spec changed
14:27:13 <aphillip> ... ask Ken if any objections?
14:27:50 <aphillip> action: addison: write back to Ken+Unicode+PLH to confirm satisfaction on 386
14:27:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-337 - Write back to ken+unicode+plh to confirm satisfaction on 386 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
14:28:26 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26154
14:29:26 <aphillip> action: write to anne on 26154 for status
14:29:26 <trackbot> Error finding 'write'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/track/users>.
14:29:51 <aphillip> action: addison: write to anne 26154 for sstatus
14:29:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-338 - Write to anne 26154 for sstatus [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
14:29:55 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-xxx
14:30:19 <aphillip> richard: ralph swick mentioned first
14:30:37 <aphillip> ... as an issue andrew raised
14:30:42 <aphillip> ... write ot andrew offline
14:30:50 <aphillip> ... he was much clearer in his response
14:31:04 <aphillip> ... he was of opinion that we should close
14:31:19 <aphillip> ... wrote back to get quote from him
14:31:26 <aphillip> ... not yet replied
14:31:55 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1129
14:32:11 <aphillip> richard: that's a link you can read that sort of covers it
14:33:59 <aphillip> addison: orthogonal because it is all utf-8
14:34:48 <r12a> here's my take on whether this is an issue: thank you for raising this issue, which is well worth noting, however the Encoding spec is attempting to document and make interoperable current browser support for non-Unicode encodings (it only refers to a subset of the current non-Unicode encodings), and and otherwise persuade everyone to move to correct use of UTF-8 encoded Unicode. For that reason, addressing the concerns you raise would be out of scope
14:34:48 <r12a>  for the spec.
14:34:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:35:38 <aphillip> addison: call it out of scope
14:36:02 <aphillip> action: richard: follow up further with andrew to confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope
14:36:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-339 - Follow up further with andrew to confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-04].
14:37:03 <aphillip> addison: any outside concerns we're missing?
14:37:07 <aphillip> richard: don't think so
14:37:42 <aphillip> jck: john cowan pointed out that there are developing practices, particuarly for unencoded minority languages
14:37:49 <aphillip> ... something to be aware of
14:38:02 <aphillip> richard: get unicode to say something?
14:38:13 <aphillip> jck: getting them to say something would be best
14:38:24 <aphillip> ... respond to cowan that way?
14:38:32 <aphillip> ... and copy ken/mark?
14:38:50 <aphillip> richard: addison/self can raise at unicode ed comm.
14:39:14 <aphillip> action: addison: raise unencoded scripts issue with unicode
14:39:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Raise unencoded scripts issue with unicode [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
14:39:36 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26646
14:39:54 <aphillip> richard: I am satisfied
14:40:16 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26655
14:41:04 <aphillip> action: addison: write to mathis bynens for satisfaction on 26655
14:41:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Write to mathis bynens for satisfaction on 26655 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
14:41:23 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26685
14:41:59 <aphillip> richard: no intent to raise a formal objection
14:42:27 <aphillip> addison: encoding next items
14:42:28 <aphillip> These bugs existed before the Last Call, mostly for quite a long time before. Anne does not expect to resolve any outstanding bugs in this list before mid September. He believes that too much research and work is involved. These, then, where not closed, are items to be considered for Encoding.next.
14:43:02 <aphillip> addison: any objection to our resolution on these?
14:43:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:43:22 <aphillip> richard: next steps
14:43:27 <aphillip> ... 1. close down issues
14:43:35 <aphillip> ... 2. agree transition review date
14:43:45 <aphillip> ... 3. week before richard to send transition request
14:43:55 <aphillip> ... 4. prepare
14:44:00 <aphillip> ... 5. transition review
14:44:12 <aphillip> ... 6. then announce (assuming survival of 5)
14:44:24 <aphillip> richard: some new versions of martin's tests
14:44:33 <aphillip> ... spent a large part of weekend on them
14:44:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:45:15 <r12a> Links to new tests for single-byte encodings:
14:45:16 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-indexes.en.php
14:45:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:45:39 <aphillip> richard: shows where browsers pass/fail
14:45:49 <aphillip> ... ibm866 not passing for chrome and
14:45:55 <Zakim> -David
14:45:57 <aphillip> ... chrome plans to fix
14:46:42 <aphillip> richard: orange stuff in ff column
14:46:49 <aphillip> ... bug raised against mozilla
14:46:52 <aphillip> ... expect them to fix
14:46:59 <aphillip> richard: only remaining issue is IE
14:47:13 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-aliases
14:47:15 <aphillip> ... shouldn't prevent us transitiontion
14:47:26 <aphillip> richard: also produced the above
14:47:39 <aphillip> ... also tests all of the aliases
14:47:45 <aphillip> ... apart from IE, pretty good
14:48:14 <aphillip> ... only took 12 hours
14:48:39 <aphillip> ... rewrote martins tests, so now different from his original tests
14:49:04 <aphillip> leandro: did you see response from larry
14:49:11 <aphillip> richard: will try again
14:49:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:50:46 <aphillip> Topic: IRI and miscelleny
14:50:55 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/IRIStatus
14:51:26 <aphillip> richard: lots of folks looking at it
14:53:04 <aphillip> jck: could be controversial in same was as encoding
14:53:17 <aphillip> richard: should sync with url folks
14:53:22 <aphillip> ... dan applequist
14:53:22 <r12a> esp Daniel Appelquist
14:53:49 <aphillip> action: addison: write to Daniel Appelquist about IRI wiki page seeking input
14:53:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Write to daniel appelquist about iri wiki page seeking input [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
14:55:20 <aphillip> leandro: will look at it
14:56:14 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
14:57:12 <aphillip> richard: jens asserts that machines should do language detection
14:57:46 <aphillip> ... will respond, challenging his basis
14:58:58 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014JulSep/0136.html
14:59:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:01:02 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/62
15:01:31 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/384
15:02:20 <Zakim> -leandro
15:02:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:02:34 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
15:02:38 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip
15:02:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
15:19:11 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:19:17 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:19:17 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:19:19 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:19:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, aphillip, JcK, leandro, David
15:19:24 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:19:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:19:43 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Leandro, JcK, David
15:19:48 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
15:20:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:20:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:20:26 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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15:20:32 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:20:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:20:59 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write back to martin to verify satisfaction on encoding 371 [1]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-17-27
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard to note that 373 is verified [2]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-21-57
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to josh bell to confirm satisfaction on 26256 [3]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-26-36
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write back to Ken+Unicode+PLH to confirm satisfaction on 386 [4]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-27-50
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: write to anne on 26154 for status [5]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-29-26
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to anne 26154 for sstatus [6]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-29-51
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: follow up further with andrew to confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope [7]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-36-02
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: raise unencoded scripts issue with unicode [8]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-39-14
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to mathis bynens for satisfaction on 26655 [9]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-41-04
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to Daniel Appelquist about IRI wiki page seeking input [10]
15:20:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-53-49