14:36:29 RRSAgent has joined #mobile-a11y 14:36:29 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-mobile-a11y-irc 14:36:31 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:36:31 Zakim has joined #mobile-a11y 14:36:33 Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF 14:36:33 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 24 minutes 14:36:34 Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 14:36:34 Date: 21 August 2014 14:36:52 chair: Kimberly_Patch 14:37:37 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0017.html 14:37:54 agenda? 14:38:11 Agenda+ Techniques resources review: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Techniques_Resources 14:38:12 Agenda+ Looking at the first techniques examples: G10, G88… 14:38:14 Agenda+ Techniques assignments 14:38:15 Agenda+ Next Steps – the next meeting will be Thursday, August 28 at 11 AM Eastern 14:51:56 Detlev has joined #mobile-a11y 14:55:27 WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started 14:55:34 +Kim_Patch 14:59:57 Regrets+ Jan_Richards, Alan_Smith, Tom_Babinszki 15:00:41 +Detlev 15:01:09 jon_avila has joined #mobile-a11y 15:02:11 +Jeanne 15:04:25 +??P9 15:04:38 zakim, I am p9 15:04:38 sorry, jon_avila, I do not see a party named 'p9' 15:04:44 zakim, I am ??P9 15:04:44 +jon_avila; got it 15:07:32 take up next 15:07:51 zakim, take up next 15:07:51 agendum 1. "Techniques resources review: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Techniques_Resources" taken up [from KimPatch] 15:10:42 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments 15:20:41 Talking about procedure, make changes clear on the changes page. On the technique development assignments page, fill in unassigned with your name, and when they are ready, change "incomplete" to "unchanged" or "complete". 15:21:49 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G10 15:25:01 Jeanne going through G10, which needed a new example – turned out to be more complicated than it looked 15:25:49 Detlev: example seems quite technical, for everyone but an iOS programmer it might not mean much 15:26:09 Jeanne: good feedback – really it needs completely different example 15:27:35 Detlev: need to know that coded so ActiveX controls pass on name role state whatever to API. So we need some example that replicates that idea in the mobile space – this might not be the best one. I'm not sure about environments for test on mobile phones. 15:28:01 ... needs to refer to accessibility test tools that the user could use 15:29:11 Detlev: I think it would have to refer to tools – I'm not quite sure about whether the techniques would cover mobile web as much as native development, and this is a bit unclear to me so far. I think we aim to cover both but focus on the mobile web, but for this technique I wouldn't quite know what example to pick – maybe throw to other people 15:30:28 RESOLUTION: Reject this proposed example and delay this Technique until we gain more experience. There are complex technical issues 15:30:46 Detlev: There are toolboxes where you can create things quickly, they might not work properly with the mobile APIs in question – that would be a good thing to check. But someone else is the phrase that are find a good example for that 15:31:25 q+ 15:33:17 Jon: even if we were to come up with another example, say for iOS, custom control – the really isn't quite a one to one relationship between the desktop world and the mobile world. Flash is available on some android devices, but it's really going away. The closest thing as a hybrid app, but it would be confusing to use that. 15:34:11 Detlev: the existing examples here are positive examples, written in line with existing APIs. If it's a positive example may be some app that's written in line with Apple accessibility guidelines for mobile apps and that's it – don't know whether the technique means necessarily means only components which are embedded in, say web technologies or whether we can talk about say native... 15:34:12 ...constructs whic 15:34:14 h are written according to the accessibility API, but that may be redundant – I'm not sure that that makes sense 15:34:53 Jon: to me it seems like it really is talking about the user agent running it, and I'm not sure we really have a good example that exposes platform level API to a user agent. Maybe something like PDF 15:35:30 Detlev: wwould it be good example to have browsers passing on names, roles, states of active elements 15:35:58 Jon: until we can find an example where works correctly, I don't think we should imply that there might be one – may be just it's not supported on mobile at this time 15:36:29 next step is to find an example? 15:40:49 Jon: mobile task force is exploring finding techniques – is there such a thing. Might be good to ask more widely as an exploratory information gathering 15:41:17 Jon: I can ask around 15:42:08 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G88 15:46:41 Detlev: could be other examples where there's a rewriting of a title so you replace short title with long version, whether it's reordered in the Dom, you could also change the title if you want to. The example should probably show a range of options and think about the case where a website is constrained to a very narrow viewport and the solutions may be manifold, maybe change title for a... 15:46:43 ...dedicated mobile version, maybe a title that suffers truncated and well, maybe a rewritten title – those are examples that come to mind 15:48:05 Detlev: also with the example if it's a the dedicated mobile site that should be clear, so it's specific content and specifically to a narrow viewport, if that's what you mean. So for that just pick a short title and that's it. If you have responsive web design you might do something else 15:49:16 Detlev: I wonder for a general technique if it's going to far down into technologies – too specific for a general technique, I'm worried about that. so maybe the way you put it is good – maybe everything else is down to more specific HTML or scripting techniques. 15:49:31 Jeanne: would you put a reference to a more detailed technique 15:49:54 Detlev: yes – could be other techniques like a scripting technique for detecting a breakpoint and changing the page title. There may be even other techniques which fit the bill 15:50:44 Detlev: need to research how people do titles and responsive web design 15:50:50 * I have to go pick up my children from camp -- so I need to jump off. 15:51:20 -jon_avila 15:51:22 Jeanne: how are we going to track these things that need more work later 15:52:17 Detlev: we could pencil them in and have other people comment whether there are existing examples – a rough title draft and put it in there and see whether anyone thinks it's something we need to pick up and work out 15:54:52 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques 15:56:59 The proposed new techniques need short names so they are easier to read. 16:03:15 -Detlev 16:13:48 q- jeanne 16:13:53 q- jon 16:13:59 rrsagent, make minutes 16:13:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne 16:14:39 present: 16:14:50 present: 16:15:18 present: Detlev, Jeanne, Jon, Kim 16:15:26 Chair: Kim 16:15:49 -Kim_Patch 16:15:53 -Jeanne 16:15:54 WAI_MATF()11:00AM has ended 16:15:54 Attendees were Kim_Patch, Detlev, Jeanne, jon_avila 16:16:42 rrsagent, bye 16:16:42 I see no action items