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13:07:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:07:58 <trackbot> Date: 21 August 2014
13:08:27 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0047.html
13:08:38 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0047.html
13:09:00 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
13:09:13 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
13:09:33 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
13:09:38 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
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13:58:03 <mats> Present+ Mats_Wichmann
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14:00:11 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:00:20 <anssik> zakim, who is here
14:00:20 <Zakim> anssik, you need to end that query with '?'
14:00:23 <anssik> zakim, who is here?
14:00:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see mats, anssik
14:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot
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14:01:05 <ilya> Present+ Ilya_Bogdanovich
14:01:19 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
14:04:00 <fjh> zakim, code>'
14:04:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code>'', fjh
14:04:05 <fjh> zakim, code?
14:04:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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14:07:37 <fjh> zakim, who is here
14:07:37 <Zakim> fjh, you need to end that query with '?'
14:07:41 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:07:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa (muted), Cathy, Frederick_Hirsch
14:07:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot
14:08:05 <ilya> it is Ilya
14:08:26 <fjh> Reminder, TPAC registration is open (however, DAP has no plans to meet) http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
14:08:47 <fjh> News related to W3C process updates. For specs apart from wake lock  we will continue to use old process.
14:08:48 <fjh> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0012.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0030.html
14:09:54 <fjh> anssik: process change, ReSpec has flag which refers to which process version
14:10:20 <fjh> anssik: fyi, one line config change in ReSpec to deal with process version
14:10:32 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
14:10:38 <fjh> Approve minutes from 7 August 2014
14:10:38 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/att-0014/minutes-2014-08-07.html
14:10:44 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 7 August 2014 are approved
14:11:12 <fjh> Topic: CfC for CR publication of HTML Media Capture, Light, Vibration
14:11:21 <fjh> CfC, ends 21 Aug:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0016.html
14:11:22 <fjh> Planned CR publication on 28 August 2014
14:11:22 <fjh> Please respond on list
14:11:54 <fjh> fjh: Anssi, thanks for preparing the CR drafts, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0048.html
14:12:08 <fjh> anssi: yes, please all take a look make sure it is ok
14:12:27 <fjh> fjh: will need director transition call to progress
14:12:50 <fjh> action: dom to arrange Director transition call for CR for HTML Media Capture, Light, Vibration before 28 Aug planned publication date
14:12:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-711 - Arrange director transition call for cr for html media capture, light, vibration before 28 aug planned publication date [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-08-28].
14:13:36 <fjh> fjh: i don’t believe any non-substantive changes apart from status section
14:14:26 <fjh> fjh: language in HTML Media Capture status says “There have been no substantive changes"
14:14:31 <fjh> fjh: were there any?
14:14:44 <fjh> anssi: some references had case changes etc
14:14:52 <fjh> fjh: ok, will look at diff more closely
14:15:14 <fjh> fjh: everyone please take a look, respond to CfC on list
14:15:24 <fjh> Topic: CfC for LC Battery publication
14:15:48 <fjh> CfC, ends 21 Aug,: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0037.html
14:15:49 <fjh> Please include draft changes subsequent to CfC email in considering CfC: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0046.html
14:15:56 <fjh> Please respond on list, indicating support, including these updates (with [CfC battery] in subject)
14:16:00 <Zakim> +??P20
14:16:01 <dom> Zakim, ??P20 is me
14:16:01 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:16:22 <fjh> fjh: anssi prepared LC draft, please review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0049.html
14:17:56 <fjh> dom: may not need transition call, but need to review that, may not be able to do by 28 Aug
14:18:00 <dom> [we need a transition request first and foremost]
14:18:54 <fjh> fjh: Need formal transition request, explain what happened resolution from LC, then Dom can use that to determine with Director whether we need a call
14:20:18 <fjh> fjh: I will make transition request after CfC completes. Let’s keep the publication date until we have better information.
14:21:16 <fjh> fjh: would like to see if we can all publications together but will determine that later, no transition request
14:22:36 <fjh> Topic: Charter planning
14:22:56 <fjh> fjh: how extensive do we want to be about revising the charter, tweak or major rewrite
14:23:09 <fjh> dom: if we don’t change it can just extend it
14:23:40 <anssik> q+
14:23:41 <fjh> dom: otherwise need to recharter, or if we want to define a mechanism for adding new deliverables ore easily
14:24:01 <fjh> dom: this could be a good idea, but a CfC might not be sufficient for adding deliverables, could try it
14:24:06 <fjh> ack anssik
14:24:22 <fjh> dom: haven’t seen new deliverables
14:27:25 <dom> dom: HTML has extensions specs; CSS may also have a mechanism
14:27:32 <dom> ... WebApps can get stuff from HTML WG
14:27:44 <dom> ... I'll take an action item to look more into this
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14:27:54 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look into chartering extensibility
14:27:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-712 - Look into chartering extensibility [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-08-28].
14:28:15 <fjh_> zakim, who is here?
14:28:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa (muted), Cathy, Frederick_Hirsch, dom
14:28:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh_, Cathy, anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot
14:28:48 <fjh_> Topic: Wake Lock
14:29:46 <fjh_> plan to progress wake lock under current charter: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0035.html
14:29:46 <fjh_> support has been noted on mail list:
14:29:48 <fjh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0036.html
14:29:49 <fjh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0043.html
14:29:51 <fjh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0045.html
14:29:52 <fjh_> Use cases published as W3C Note, please note: http://www.w3.org/TR/wake-lock-use-cases/
14:29:53 <fjh_> Editors draft status and next steps
14:30:14 <fjh_> Topic: Test update
14:30:23 <fjh_> Vibration status update?  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0019.html
14:30:32 <fjh_> fjh: anssi, did you get any response
14:30:39 <fjh_> anssik: no, will need to check with him
14:32:33 <dom> http://www.w3.org/TR/discovery-api/
14:33:16 <anssik> pub history: http://www.w3.org/standards/history/discovery-api
14:34:34 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up on status of Network Service Discovery and plans going forward, also Named Web Sockets
14:34:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-713 - Follow up on status of network service discovery and plans going forward, also named web sockets [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-08-28].
14:35:10 <fjh> fjh: ok to postpone NSD issues since we’ve stopped NSD
14:35:16 <fjh> dom: it is  a WD not a Note
14:35:32 <fjh> fjh: a, right, so we need to decide whether to continue work or publish note
14:35:44 <fjh> dom: also need to review where we are with Named Web Sockets
14:35:56 <anssik> asked if BroadcastChannel addresses the same use cases as Named Web Sockets proposal
14:36:07 <fjh> fjh: will take action to follow up, we should resolve; my impression is that we had stopped work on NSD but we need to be more formal about it
14:36:32 <anssik> also, would like to know if implementers are aware and/or interested in experimenting with NWS
14:36:36 <Zakim> -dom
14:36:51 <fjh> dom: should check on implementer interest
14:37:01 <anssik> both Firefox and Chrome are experimenting with BroadcastChannel IIRC
14:37:22 <fjh> do you have a link?
14:38:48 <anssik> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/comms.html#broadcasting-to-other-browsing-contexts
14:39:14 <fjh> anssik: probably in html nightly as well
14:39:22 <fjh> Topic: Action review
14:39:47 <fjh> ACTION-706?
14:39:48 <trackbot> ACTION-706 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Add resolution to lc-2945 to draft -- due 2014-08-14 -- OPEN
14:39:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/706
14:39:55 <fjh> close ACTION-706
14:39:55 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-706.
14:44:07 <ilya> no questions
14:44:22 <ilya> bye
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14:44:31 <Zakim> Attendees were mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa, Frederick_Hirsch, Cathy, +1.857.300.aabb, dom
14:44:41 <fjh> close ACTION-705
14:44:41 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-705.
14:44:50 <fjh> close ACTION-707
14:44:50 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-707.
14:45:02 <fjh> ACTION-705?
14:45:02 <trackbot> ACTION-705 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Add warning to Battery API that (naive) implementation of API could negatively affect battery life -- due 2014-08-11 -- CLOSED
14:45:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/705
14:45:06 <fjh> ACTION-707?
14:45:06 <trackbot> ACTION-707 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc for cr for html media capture, ambient light events, vibration api -- due 2014-08-14 -- CLOSED
14:45:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/707
14:45:10 <fjh> action-708?
14:45:10 <trackbot> action-708 -- Anssi Kostiainen to to ask zhiqiang to complete vibration tests -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:45:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/708
14:45:22 <fjh> open ACTION-708
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14:45:38 <fjh> close ACTION-708
14:45:38 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-708.
14:45:44 <fjh> action-709?
14:45:44 <trackbot> action-709 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Follow upon on issue-166 and http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-device-apis/2014jul/0003.html -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:45:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/709
14:45:49 <fjh> close ACTION-709?
14:45:49 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-709.
14:45:53 <fjh> action-710?
14:45:53 <trackbot> action-710 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Look at issue-168 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/168 -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:45:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/710
14:46:00 <fjh> close ACTION-710
14:46:00 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-710.
14:46:56 <fjh> fjh: only open actions are those assigned at today’s meeting: Dom to arrange transition call, look into chartering extensibility, Frederick to follow up on NSD and Named Web Sockets
14:47:05 <fjh> Topic: Issues
14:47:13 <fjh> fjh: only open issues are for NSD
14:47:28 <fjh> fjh: will move all these issues to postponed
14:47:36 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
14:47:37 <fjh> None
14:47:59 <fjh> Next meeting, scheduled for 4 Sept,  http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html#upcoming-teleconferences
14:48:00 <fjh> s/None//
14:48:04 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
14:48:08 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:48:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:48:44 <fjh> Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:48:49 <fjh> Present- Cathy
14:49:13 <fjh> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:49:29 <fjh> s/it is Ilya//
14:49:48 <fjh> s/process change, ReSpec/regarding process change, ReSpec/
14:50:50 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:50:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-dap-minutes.html fjh
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14:57:34 <fjh> Regrets+ Giri_Mandyam
14:59:13 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:59:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-dap-minutes.html fjh
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