14:22:51 RRSAgent has joined #dpub 14:22:51 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc 14:22:53 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:22:53 Zakim has joined #dpub 14:22:55 Zakim, this will be dpub 14:22:55 ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 38 minutes 14:22:56 Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 14:22:56 Date: 18 August 2014 14:55:09 AH_Miller has joined #DPUB 14:55:30 mgylling has joined #dpub 14:56:26 clapierre1 has joined #DPUB 14:56:43 mgylling has changed the topic to: Meeting agenda for 2014-08-18: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Aug/0001.html 14:57:02 david_stroup has joined #dpub 14:57:41 DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started 14:57:47 + +1.650.644.aaaa 14:57:58 + +1.240.421.aabb 14:58:05 LauraD has joined #dpub 14:58:09 philm has joined #dpub 14:58:12 Zakim, 1.650.644.aaaa is me 14:58:12 sorry, clapierre1, I do not recognize a party named '1.650.644.aaaa' 14:58:13 + +1.505.603.aacc 14:58:17 tzviya has joined #dpub 14:58:28 azaroth has joined #DPUB 14:58:34 zakim, who is here? 14:58:34 On the phone I see +1.650.644.aaaa, +1.240.421.aabb, +1.505.603.aacc 14:58:36 On IRC I see azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, clapierre, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot 14:58:36 pkra has joined #dpub 14:58:44 zakim, aacc is me 14:58:44 +azaroth; got it 14:58:46 Zakim, +1.650.644.aaaa is me 14:58:47 +clapierre1; got it 14:59:00 + +1.917.770.aadd 14:59:10 liza has joined #dpub 14:59:11 + +1.212.364.aaee 14:59:15 + +1.617.439.aaff 14:59:22 zakim, aaff is me 14:59:22 +liza; got it 14:59:27 240-421 is Mike Miller 14:59:28 Zakim, +1 212.364 is me 14:59:28 I don't understand '+1 212.364 is me', philm 14:59:30 The 917 is Laura D 14:59:37 +Tzviya 14:59:46 Zakim, aaee is me 14:59:47 +philm; got it 14:59:54 +liza.a 15:00:11 murakami has joined #dpub 15:00:20 -liza.a 15:00:23 +Stearns 15:00:36 +??P5 15:00:45 Zakim, ??P5 is me 15:00:45 +mgylling; got it 15:00:48 + +1.617.858.aagg 15:00:59 aagg is pkra 15:01:00 +liza.a 15:01:04 TimCole has joined #dpub 15:01:08 + +1.585.217.aahh 15:01:26 + +44.207.683.aaii 15:01:30 zakim, who is here? 15:01:30 On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, +1.917.770.aadd, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, +1.617.858.aagg, liza.a, +1.585.217.aahh, +44.207.683.aaii 15:01:33 On IRC I see TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, dkaplan3, 15:01:33 ... astearns, plinss, trackbot 15:01:41 + +1.646.336.aajj 15:01:45 Bill_Kasdorf has joined #dpub 15:01:46 Zakim, aagg is me 15:01:47 +pkra; got it 15:01:48 Hi, Markus - I am muted. 15:01:56 zakim, dial ivan-voip 15:01:56 ok, ivan; the call is being made 15:01:58 +Ivan 15:02:04 + +1.217.244.aakk 15:02:06 - +1.217.244.aakk 15:02:08 + +1.734.904.aall 15:02:19 regrets: Vladimir, Thierry, Dave, Brady, Tim 15:02:21 zakim, who is here? 15:02:21 On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, +1.917.770.aadd, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, liza.a, +1.585.217.aahh, +44.207.683.aaii, +1.646.336.aajj, 15:02:25 ... Ivan, +1.734.904.aall 15:02:25 On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, 15:02:26 ... dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot 15:02:34 +Karen_Myers 15:02:40 + +1.217.244.aamm 15:02:40 585.217 is me 15:02:45 scribenick: tzviya 15:02:54 +[IPcaller] 15:02:57 zakim, ipcaller is me 15:02:57 +fjh; got it 15:02:58 zakim, aahh is david_stroup 15:02:59 +david_stroup; got it 15:03:02 +??P31 15:03:03 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 15:03:11 zakim, who is here? 15:03:11 On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, +1.917.770.aadd, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, liza.a, david_stroup, +44.207.683.aaii, +1.646.336.aajj, 15:03:14 ... Ivan, +1.734.904.aall, Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, ??P31 15:03:14 On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, 15:03:14 ... dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot 15:03:27 zakim,??P31 is me 15:03:27 +murakami; got it 15:03:48 + +1.201.783.aann 15:03:57 zakim, aadd is LauraD 15:03:57 +LauraD; got it 15:04:11 + +1.978.821.aaoo 15:04:20 zakim, aajj is Julie 15:04:20 +Julie; got it 15:04:23 pBelfanti has joined #dpub 15:04:40 zakim, aaii is graham 15:04:40 +graham; got it 15:04:55 zakim, who is here? 15:04:55 On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, LauraD, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, liza.a, david_stroup, graham, Julie, Ivan, +1.734.904.aall, 15:04:59 ... Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, murakami (muted), +1.201.783.aann, +1.978.821.aaoo 15:04:59 On IRC I see pBelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, 15:04:59 ... ivan, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot 15:05:12 zakim, liza.a is dkaplan3 15:05:14 HEY 15:05:14 +dkaplan3; got it 15:05:37 zakim, aaoo is heather 15:05:37 +heather; got it 15:05:49 zakim, who is here? 15:05:49 On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, LauraD, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, dkaplan3, david_stroup, graham, Julie, Ivan, +1.734.904.aall, 15:05:52 ... Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, murakami (muted), +1.201.783.aann, heather 15:05:52 On IRC I see pBelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, 15:05:52 ... ivan, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot 15:06:04 zakim, aann is pBelfanti 15:06:04 +pBelfanti; got it 15:06:33 zakim, aamm is TimCole 15:06:33 +TimCole; got it 15:06:59 zakim, aabb is mike_miller 15:06:59 +mike_miller; got it 15:07:52 graham has joined #dpub 15:08:07 scribe: Tzviya 15:08:12 markus: Approve previous meeting minutes? 15:08:16 scribenick: tzviya 15:08:24 dauwhe has joined #dpub 15:08:24 approved 15:08:52 liza: update regarding co-chair 15:09:28 ...O'Reilly previously co-owned by Pearson, enabling Safari membership 15:09:55 Safari was previously co-owned by Pearson :) 15:10:04 O'Reilly's always been owned by itself 15:10:12 ...Liza and Debra will still participate as membership gets sorted, but seeking co-chair quickly 15:10:29 Liza++++ 15:10:35 ...contact Markus/Ivan with suggestions 15:10:40 THANK YOU LIZA 15:10:50 Thank you, Liza -- don't leave us :-) 15:10:54 Ha ha 15:10:59 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ 15:11:05 +1! 15:11:29 markus: TPAC is coming in October, DPUB meetings will be Th/Fri 15:11:59 ...plenary meetings will be earlier in the week 15:12:16 q+ 15:12:20 q+ 15:12:35 ...will have F2F as well as meetings with other W3C groups, such as PF 15:13:26 ivan: annotations group will likely be announced shortly, and we will likely meet with them 15:13:50 ...will be big plenary for 25th anniversary of web on Wednesday 15:14:20 ...small registration fee covers food, coffee, etc for the week 15:14:33 Tuesday, assuming logistics work out 15:14:42 ...can stay in hotel, but book as early as possible 15:15:10 ack Bill_K 15:15:11 Karen: register through the TPAC site 15:15:16 s/Tuesday/potential Tuesday for Annotation WG, assuming chartered and / 15:15:46 s/, assuming/assuming/ 15:16:01 Karen: non-TPAC participants should register using the public site: http://www.w3.org/20/ 15:16:46 Heather: Senior director of data at copyright clearance center, largely responsible for bibliographic and rights data 15:17:30 ...worked with metadata standards and a librarian by training 15:18:16 Graham: Graham Bell, executive director of Editeur, standards organization, best known for ONIX for books and serials 15:18:28 ...interested especially for metadata 15:19:29 markus: primary goal is to clarify goals for each task force 15:19:57 charter: http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html 15:19:58 ...let's understand the relationship to the charter 15:20:42 ...and discuss relationship of charter to reality 15:22:17 ...we have not created one document outlining technical requirements nor reviewed W3C specs 15:22:52 Ivan: IG's are more relaxed than WGs, and we have already produced several wiki pages 15:23:30 ...that being said, it would be good for us to create a plan for each TF 15:24:14 ...we also have the list of existing specs that thierry created, but it would not be a good idea to freeze this, as the mentioned docs change 15:24:52 ...we may wish to ask W3C management to extend the charter for this group (in about 6 months) as the group is scheduled to end in about 1 year 15:25:15 markus: there has been a large difference in TFs in how much accomplished, depending on many variables 15:26:35 ...this seems a feature, not a bug. But, it seems that we will continue this way, as the group is heterogenous 15:26:55 -TimCole 15:27:01 TimCole has left #dpub 15:27:09 Ivan: it is OK that we do not provide 1 document with a list of requirements 15:27:39 markus: we have 1 year left. Each TF should provide requirements in writing by ne year 15:28:01 q? 15:28:07 ack ivan 15:29:31 q+ 15:29:35 azaroth: annotations - first item is to clarify relationship between WG and ??? 15:29:45 s/???/Annotation Working Group/ 15:30:09 ack ivan 15:30:12 -LauraD 15:30:19 ...deliverable is to feed use cases into (already done), but may require updates from WG 15:30:44 Ivan: it would be good if document were published as note. 15:31:08 is there an action item to get this document published, and on whom? 15:31:13 ...How many people from this IG will be able to participate in Annotations WG? 15:31:15 +Liam 15:31:43 Ivan: We will have to bring publishing colleagues to Anno WG 15:31:43 +1 to publishing constituency participation in annotation wg 15:32:09 q+ 15:32:55 ack tzviya 15:33:10 Tzviya: We hope to have someone from Wiley Journals participate 15:34:05 with : 15:34:19 ACTION: @azaroth use tracker for updating annotations 15:34:19 Error finding '@azaroth'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:34:52 ACTION: azaroth use tracker for publish annotations use cases as interest group note 15:34:52 Created ACTION-19 - Use tracker for publish annotations use cases as interest group note [on Robert Sanderson - due 2014-08-25]. 15:35:29 Must drop, regrets 15:35:41 -pBelfanti 15:36:11 Revised annotation wg charter: http://www.w3.org/2014/annotation/charter/charter-revised.html 15:36:33 Bill_K: metadata update - Madi and Bill working on summary of interviews 15:38:01 ...Draft is in progress, and Bill is working on additional interviews. Will have draft to Madi, Heather, and Graham by end of week 15:38:42 q+ 15:38:53 ack ivan 15:39:02 ...Will have something for the group to look at in 2 weeks -distilling and summarizing the issues 15:39:14 markus: this could be an IG note 15:41:08 Ivan: Yes, could be a note - if a note, must be in HTML. Send me github info to get access 15:42:15 ...it will be important to include recommendations for what W3C could be doing 15:42:20 ACTION: Bill_Kasdorf to publish interview summary 15:42:20 Created ACTION-20 - Publish interview summary [on Bill Kasdorf - due 2014-08-25]. 15:43:02 markus: Also, consider what to do after the summary 15:43:23 pkra: STEM update 15:44:15 ...began oral and written interviews and will be able to summarize pain points in the fall 15:45:07 .Markus: do the use cases and pain points together become an IG note? 15:46:05 Markus: this would be helpful as a reference tool 15:46:26 ...can we set up a timeline for publishing a note this autumn? 15:46:40 q? 15:47:01 pkra: yes, but this is contingent on people responding 15:47:13 markus: do you have enough helpers? 15:47:20 pkra: yes 15:48:13 +1 15:48:23 ACTION pkra publish first draft of STEM use cases and pain points summary 15:48:23 Created ACTION-21 - Publish first draft of stem use cases and pain points summary [on Peter Krautzberger - due 2014-08-25]. 15:48:41 Debra: accessibility update 15:49:33 ...Charles is co-chairing, PF meeting re: structural semantics is next week 15:50:30 ... also scheduled a meeting with Judy Brewer for next week about process for reviewing WAI documents, but holding off until a little clearer on Safari position 15:51:08 ...other deliverables for the team are a gap analysis regarding what the DPUB is doing regarding accessiblity 15:51:31 q+ 15:51:33 ...compiling a list of a11y guidelines for members of DPUB 15:51:38 ack ivan 15:51:38 q+ 15:51:40 q+ 15:51:45 ...and something regarding SVG a11y 15:52:06 Ivan: Judy Brewer's schedule is very complicated. Schedule early 15:52:47 ack Bill_K 15:53:27 ack pkra 15:53:33 q+ 15:53:56 Bill_K: DAISY has clearinghouse of a11y resources that is worth reviewing 15:54:24 ack ivan 15:54:30 pkra: Shadow DOM and a11y is also a known unknown in the a11y world 15:54:50 -Liam 15:54:50 Ivan: it would be good to include George on the call as well 15:56:35 ACTION dkaplan3 publish gap analysis 15:56:35 Created ACTION-22 - Publish gap analysis [on Deborah Kaplan - due 2014-08-25]. 15:56:36 For accessibility resources see of accessiblepublishing.org and inclusivepublishing.org. 15:56:41 scribnick: mgylling 15:57:06 Thanks Bill 15:57:23 Tzviya: when we last looked at this we talked about expanding use cases, and also the PF meeting affects us, because we are talking about incoroporating vocabs from EPUB in inflection 15:57:56 … think the deliverable would be a write-up of the use cases, and pain points 15:57:58 q+ 15:58:49 q- 16:00:26 Link to DAISY clearinghouse of accessibility resources: http://accessiblepublishing.org/ 16:01:56 q? 16:02:25 -Stearns 16:02:49 markus: we will continue to discuss this next week and discuss future objectives as well 16:02:51 I will send you my github info as well thanks Ivan 16:03:00 -Karen_Myers 16:03:02 Thanks 16:03:04 -mgylling 16:03:05 -dkaplan3 16:03:05 -azaroth 16:03:06 -Julie 16:03:06 -liza 16:03:07 -heather 16:03:07 -fjh 16:03:08 -philm 16:03:08 - +1.734.904.aall 16:03:08 -Tzviya 16:03:10 -pkra 16:03:10 -clapierre1 16:03:11 -Ivan 16:03:12 -mike_miller 16:03:12 -graham 16:03:13 dkaplan3 has left #dpub 16:03:15 -murakami 16:03:18 -david_stroup 16:03:19 DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended 16:03:19 Attendees were +1.240.421.aabb, +1.505.603.aacc, azaroth, clapierre1, +1.917.770.aadd, +1.212.364.aaee, +1.617.439.aaff, liza, Tzviya, philm, Stearns, mgylling, +1.617.858.aagg, 16:03:19 ... +1.585.217.aahh, +44.207.683.aaii, +1.646.336.aajj, pkra, Ivan, +1.217.244.aakk, +1.734.904.aall, Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, david_stroup, murakami, +1.201.783.aann, 16:03:20 ... LauraD, +1.978.821.aaoo, Julie, graham, dkaplan3, heather, pBelfanti, TimCole, mike_miller, Liam 16:03:24 Ivan: I will set up github repos for all 3 TFs 16:03:27 rssagent, draft minutes 16:03:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:03:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-minutes.html ivan 16:03:56 trackbot, stop telcon 16:03:56 Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to for help. 16:04:02 trackbot, end telcon 16:04:02 Zakim, list attendees 16:04:02 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 16:04:10 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:04:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-minutes.html trackbot 16:04:11 RRSAgent, bye 16:04:11 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-actions.rdf : 16:04:11 ACTION: @azaroth use tracker for updating annotations [1] 16:04:11 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc#T15-34-19 16:04:11 ACTION: azaroth use tracker for publish annotations use cases as interest group note [2] 16:04:11 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc#T15-34-52 16:04:11 ACTION: Bill_Kasdorf to publish interview summary [3] 16:04:11 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc#T15-42-20 16:04:20 graham has left #dpub