IRC log of dpub on 2014-08-18

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be dpub
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ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 38 minutes
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Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 August 2014
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mgylling has changed the topic to: Meeting agenda for 2014-08-18: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Aug/0001.html
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Zakim, 1.650.644.aaaa is me
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sorry, clapierre1, I do not recognize a party named '1.650.644.aaaa'
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+ +1.505.603.aacc
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see +1.650.644.aaaa, +1.240.421.aabb, +1.505.603.aacc
14:58:36 [Zakim]
On IRC I see azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, clapierre, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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zakim, aacc is me
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+azaroth; got it
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Zakim, +1.650.644.aaaa is me
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+clapierre1; got it
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+ +1.917.770.aadd
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+ +1.212.364.aaee
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+ +1.617.439.aaff
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zakim, aaff is me
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+liza; got it
14:59:27 [AH_Miller]
240-421 is Mike Miller
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Zakim, +1 212.364 is me
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I don't understand '+1 212.364 is me', philm
14:59:30 [LauraD]
The 917 is Laura D
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+Tzviya
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Zakim, aaee is me
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+philm; got it
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+liza.a
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-liza.a
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+Stearns
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+??P5
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Zakim, ??P5 is me
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+mgylling; got it
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+ +1.617.858.aagg
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aagg is pkra
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+liza.a
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+ +1.585.217.aahh
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+ +44.207.683.aaii
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, +1.917.770.aadd, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, +1.617.858.aagg, liza.a, +1.585.217.aahh, +44.207.683.aaii
15:01:33 [Zakim]
On IRC I see TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, dkaplan3,
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... astearns, plinss, trackbot
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+ +1.646.336.aajj
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Zakim, aagg is me
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+pkra; got it
15:01:48 [LauraD]
Hi, Markus - I am muted.
15:01:56 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-voip
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ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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+ +1.217.244.aakk
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- +1.217.244.aakk
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+ +1.734.904.aall
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regrets: Vladimir, Thierry, Dave, Brady, Tim
15:02:21 [ivan]
zakim, who is here?
15:02:21 [Zakim]
On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, +1.917.770.aadd, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, liza.a, +1.585.217.aahh, +44.207.683.aaii, +1.646.336.aajj,
15:02:25 [Zakim]
... Ivan, +1.734.904.aall
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On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam,
15:02:26 [Zakim]
... dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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+Karen_Myers
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+ +1.217.244.aamm
15:02:40 [david_stroup]
585.217 is me
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scribenick: tzviya
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, ipcaller is me
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+fjh; got it
15:02:58 [ivan]
zakim, aahh is david_stroup
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+david_stroup; got it
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+??P31
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, +1.917.770.aadd, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, liza.a, david_stroup, +44.207.683.aaii, +1.646.336.aajj,
15:03:14 [Zakim]
... Ivan, +1.734.904.aall, Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, ??P31
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On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam,
15:03:14 [Zakim]
... dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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zakim,??P31 is me
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+murakami; got it
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+ +1.201.783.aann
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zakim, aadd is LauraD
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+LauraD; got it
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+ +1.978.821.aaoo
15:04:20 [ivan]
zakim, aajj is Julie
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+Julie; got it
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zakim, aaii is graham
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+graham; got it
15:04:55 [ivan]
zakim, who is here?
15:04:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, LauraD, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, liza.a, david_stroup, graham, Julie, Ivan, +1.734.904.aall,
15:04:59 [Zakim]
... Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, murakami (muted), +1.201.783.aann, +1.978.821.aaoo
15:04:59 [Zakim]
On IRC I see pBelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen,
15:04:59 [Zakim]
... ivan, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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zakim, liza.a is dkaplan3
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HEY
15:05:14 [Zakim]
+dkaplan3; got it
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zakim, aaoo is heather
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+heather; got it
15:05:49 [ivan]
zakim, who is here?
15:05:49 [Zakim]
On the phone I see clapierre1, +1.240.421.aabb, azaroth, LauraD, philm, liza, Tzviya, Stearns, mgylling, pkra, dkaplan3, david_stroup, graham, Julie, Ivan, +1.734.904.aall,
15:05:52 [Zakim]
... Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, murakami (muted), +1.201.783.aann, heather
15:05:52 [Zakim]
On IRC I see pBelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, TimCole, murakami, liza, pkra, azaroth, tzviya, philm, LauraD, david_stroup, clapierre1, mgylling, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen,
15:05:52 [Zakim]
... ivan, liam, dkaplan3, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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zakim, aann is pBelfanti
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+pBelfanti; got it
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zakim, aamm is TimCole
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+TimCole; got it
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zakim, aabb is mike_miller
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+mike_miller; got it
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15:08:07 [ivan]
scribe: Tzviya
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markus: Approve previous meeting minutes?
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scribenick: tzviya
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approved
15:08:52 [tzviya]
liza: update regarding co-chair
15:09:28 [tzviya]
...O'Reilly previously co-owned by Pearson, enabling Safari membership
15:09:55 [liza]
Safari was previously co-owned by Pearson :)
15:10:04 [liza]
O'Reilly's always been owned by itself
15:10:12 [tzviya]
...Liza and Debra will still participate as membership gets sorted, but seeking co-chair quickly
15:10:29 [ivan]
Liza++++
15:10:35 [tzviya]
...contact Markus/Ivan with suggestions
15:10:40 [tzviya]
THANK YOU LIZA
15:10:50 [pkra]
Thank you, Liza -- don't leave us :-)
15:10:54 [liza]
Ha ha
15:10:59 [mgylling]
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
15:11:05 [azaroth]
+1!
15:11:29 [tzviya]
markus: TPAC is coming in October, DPUB meetings will be Th/Fri
15:11:59 [tzviya]
...plenary meetings will be earlier in the week
15:12:16 [ivan]
q+
15:12:20 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:12:35 [tzviya]
...will have F2F as well as meetings with other W3C groups, such as PF
15:13:26 [tzviya]
ivan: annotations group will likely be announced shortly, and we will likely meet with them
15:13:50 [tzviya]
...will be big plenary for 25th anniversary of web on Wednesday
15:14:20 [tzviya]
...small registration fee covers food, coffee, etc for the week
15:14:33 [fjh]
Tuesday, assuming logistics work out
15:14:42 [tzviya]
...can stay in hotel, but book as early as possible
15:15:10 [mgylling]
ack Bill_K
15:15:11 [tzviya]
Karen: register through the TPAC site
15:15:16 [fjh]
s/Tuesday/potential Tuesday for Annotation WG, assuming chartered and /
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s/, assuming/assuming/
15:16:01 [Karen]
Karen: non-TPAC participants should register using the public site: http://www.w3.org/20/
15:16:46 [tzviya]
Heather: Senior director of data at copyright clearance center, largely responsible for bibliographic and rights data
15:17:30 [tzviya]
...worked with metadata standards and a librarian by training
15:18:16 [tzviya]
Graham: Graham Bell, executive director of Editeur, standards organization, best known for ONIX for books and serials
15:18:28 [tzviya]
...interested especially for metadata
15:19:29 [tzviya]
markus: primary goal is to clarify goals for each task force
15:19:57 [mgylling]
charter: http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html
15:19:58 [tzviya]
...let's understand the relationship to the charter
15:20:42 [tzviya]
...and discuss relationship of charter to reality
15:22:17 [tzviya]
...we have not created one document outlining technical requirements nor reviewed W3C specs
15:22:52 [tzviya]
Ivan: IG's are more relaxed than WGs, and we have already produced several wiki pages
15:23:30 [tzviya]
...that being said, it would be good for us to create a plan for each TF
15:24:14 [tzviya]
...we also have the list of existing specs that thierry created, but it would not be a good idea to freeze this, as the mentioned docs change
15:24:52 [tzviya]
...we may wish to ask W3C management to extend the charter for this group (in about 6 months) as the group is scheduled to end in about 1 year
15:25:15 [tzviya]
markus: there has been a large difference in TFs in how much accomplished, depending on many variables
15:26:35 [tzviya]
...this seems a feature, not a bug. But, it seems that we will continue this way, as the group is heterogenous
15:26:55 [Zakim]
-TimCole
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15:27:09 [tzviya]
Ivan: it is OK that we do not provide 1 document with a list of requirements
15:27:39 [tzviya]
markus: we have 1 year left. Each TF should provide requirements in writing by ne year
15:28:01 [mgylling]
q?
15:28:07 [ivan]
ack ivan
15:29:31 [ivan]
q+
15:29:35 [tzviya]
azaroth: annotations - first item is to clarify relationship between WG and ???
15:29:45 [ivan]
s/???/Annotation Working Group/
15:30:09 [mgylling]
ack ivan
15:30:12 [Zakim]
-LauraD
15:30:19 [tzviya]
...deliverable is to feed use cases into (already done), but may require updates from WG
15:30:44 [tzviya]
Ivan: it would be good if document were published as note.
15:31:08 [fjh]
is there an action item to get this document published, and on whom?
15:31:13 [tzviya]
...How many people from this IG will be able to participate in Annotations WG?
15:31:15 [Zakim]
+Liam
15:31:43 [tzviya]
Ivan: We will have to bring publishing colleagues to Anno WG
15:31:43 [fjh]
+1 to publishing constituency participation in annotation wg
15:32:09 [tzviya]
q+
15:32:55 [mgylling]
ack tzviya
15:33:10 [Karen]
Tzviya: We hope to have someone from Wiley Journals participate
15:34:05 [fjh]
with :
15:34:19 [tzviya]
ACTION: @azaroth use tracker for updating annotations
15:34:19 [trackbot]
Error finding '@azaroth'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
15:34:52 [tzviya]
ACTION: azaroth use tracker for publish annotations use cases as interest group note
15:34:52 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-19 - Use tracker for publish annotations use cases as interest group note [on Robert Sanderson - due 2014-08-25].
15:35:29 [pBelfanti]
Must drop, regrets
15:35:41 [Zakim]
-pBelfanti
15:36:11 [ivan]
Revised annotation wg charter: http://www.w3.org/2014/annotation/charter/charter-revised.html
15:36:33 [tzviya]
Bill_K: metadata update - Madi and Bill working on summary of interviews
15:38:01 [tzviya]
...Draft is in progress, and Bill is working on additional interviews. Will have draft to Madi, Heather, and Graham by end of week
15:38:42 [ivan]
q+
15:38:53 [mgylling]
ack ivan
15:39:02 [tzviya]
...Will have something for the group to look at in 2 weeks -distilling and summarizing the issues
15:39:14 [tzviya]
markus: this could be an IG note
15:41:08 [tzviya]
Ivan: Yes, could be a note - if a note, must be in HTML. Send me github info to get access
15:42:15 [tzviya]
...it will be important to include recommendations for what W3C could be doing
15:42:20 [mgylling]
ACTION: Bill_Kasdorf to publish interview summary
15:42:20 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-20 - Publish interview summary [on Bill Kasdorf - due 2014-08-25].
15:43:02 [tzviya]
markus: Also, consider what to do after the summary
15:43:23 [tzviya]
pkra: STEM update
15:44:15 [tzviya]
...began oral and written interviews and will be able to summarize pain points in the fall
15:45:07 [tzviya]
.Markus: do the use cases and pain points together become an IG note?
15:46:05 [tzviya]
Markus: this would be helpful as a reference tool
15:46:26 [tzviya]
...can we set up a timeline for publishing a note this autumn?
15:46:40 [mgylling]
q?
15:47:01 [tzviya]
pkra: yes, but this is contingent on people responding
15:47:13 [tzviya]
markus: do you have enough helpers?
15:47:20 [tzviya]
pkra: yes
15:48:13 [pkra]
+1
15:48:23 [tzviya]
ACTION pkra publish first draft of STEM use cases and pain points summary
15:48:23 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-21 - Publish first draft of stem use cases and pain points summary [on Peter Krautzberger - due 2014-08-25].
15:48:41 [tzviya]
Debra: accessibility update
15:49:33 [tzviya]
...Charles is co-chairing, PF meeting re: structural semantics is next week
15:50:30 [tzviya]
... also scheduled a meeting with Judy Brewer for next week about process for reviewing WAI documents, but holding off until a little clearer on Safari position
15:51:08 [tzviya]
...other deliverables for the team are a gap analysis regarding what the DPUB is doing regarding accessiblity
15:51:31 [ivan]
q+
15:51:33 [tzviya]
...compiling a list of a11y guidelines for members of DPUB
15:51:38 [mgylling]
ack ivan
15:51:38 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:51:40 [pkra]
q+
15:51:45 [tzviya]
...and something regarding SVG a11y
15:52:06 [tzviya]
Ivan: Judy Brewer's schedule is very complicated. Schedule early
15:52:47 [mgylling]
ack Bill_K
15:53:27 [mgylling]
ack pkra
15:53:33 [ivan]
q+
15:53:56 [tzviya]
Bill_K: DAISY has clearinghouse of a11y resources that is worth reviewing
15:54:24 [mgylling]
ack ivan
15:54:30 [tzviya]
pkra: Shadow DOM and a11y is also a known unknown in the a11y world
15:54:50 [Zakim]
-Liam
15:54:50 [tzviya]
Ivan: it would be good to include George on the call as well
15:56:35 [tzviya]
ACTION dkaplan3 publish gap analysis
15:56:35 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-22 - Publish gap analysis [on Deborah Kaplan - due 2014-08-25].
15:56:36 [Bill_Kasdorf]
For accessibility resources see of accessiblepublishing.org and inclusivepublishing.org.
15:56:41 [mgylling]
scribnick: mgylling
15:57:06 [clapierre1]
Thanks Bill
15:57:23 [mgylling]
Tzviya: when we last looked at this we talked about expanding use cases, and also the PF meeting affects us, because we are talking about incoroporating vocabs from EPUB in inflection
15:57:56 [mgylling]
… think the deliverable would be a write-up of the use cases, and pain points
15:57:58 [ivan]
q+
15:58:49 [ivan]
q-
16:00:26 [Bill_Kasdorf]
Link to DAISY clearinghouse of accessibility resources: http://accessiblepublishing.org/
16:01:56 [mgylling]
q?
16:02:25 [Zakim]
-Stearns
16:02:49 [tzviya]
markus: we will continue to discuss this next week and discuss future objectives as well
16:02:51 [clapierre1]
I will send you my github info as well thanks Ivan
16:03:00 [Zakim]
-Karen_Myers
16:03:02 [clapierre1]
Thanks
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-mgylling
16:03:05 [Zakim]
-dkaplan3
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-azaroth
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-Julie
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-liza
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-heather
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-fjh
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-philm
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- +1.734.904.aall
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-Tzviya
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-pkra
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-clapierre1
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-Ivan
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-mike_miller
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-graham
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-murakami
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-david_stroup
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DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +1.240.421.aabb, +1.505.603.aacc, azaroth, clapierre1, +1.917.770.aadd, +1.212.364.aaee, +1.617.439.aaff, liza, Tzviya, philm, Stearns, mgylling, +1.617.858.aagg,
16:03:19 [Zakim]
... +1.585.217.aahh, +44.207.683.aaii, +1.646.336.aajj, pkra, Ivan, +1.217.244.aakk, +1.734.904.aall, Karen_Myers, +1.217.244.aamm, fjh, david_stroup, murakami, +1.201.783.aann,
16:03:20 [Zakim]
... LauraD, +1.978.821.aaoo, Julie, graham, dkaplan3, heather, pBelfanti, TimCole, mike_miller, Liam
16:03:24 [tzviya]
Ivan: I will set up github repos for all 3 TFs
16:03:27 [ivan]
rssagent, draft minutes
16:03:47 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:47 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:03:56 [ivan]
trackbot, stop telcon
16:03:56 [trackbot]
Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
16:04:02 [ivan]
trackbot, end telcon
16:04:02 [trackbot]
Zakim, list attendees
16:04:02 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:04:10 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:04:10 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:04:11 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-actions.rdf :
16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: @azaroth use tracker for updating annotations [1]
16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc#T15-34-19
16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: azaroth use tracker for publish annotations use cases as interest group note [2]
16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc#T15-34-52
16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Bill_Kasdorf to publish interview summary [3]
16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-dpub-irc#T15-42-20
16:04:20 [graham]
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