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13:22:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:22:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:22:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
13:22:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:22:37 <trackbot> Date: 13 August 2014
13:24:29 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:24:36 <Zakim> +??P15
13:24:45 <klaus> klaus has joined #rd
13:26:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:26:37 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:26:37 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
13:26:48 <Vivienne> zakimn, mute me
13:26:55 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:26:55 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:27:52 <shadi> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:27:53 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:27:53 <shadi> RESOLVED: Accessibility and Way-finding, Navigation and Exploration systems Online Symposium 3 December 2014
13:27:53 <shadi> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [christos, vivienne, annika]
13:27:53 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Metrics  [markel, giorgio]
13:27:54 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Mobile [sharper, peter, yeliz]
13:27:58 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Text Customisation [david, shawn]
13:28:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:28:00 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Easy to Read [klaus]
13:28:02 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: User Modeling [yehya, christos]
13:28:04 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: eLearning [justin, silvia]
13:28:06 <shadi> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business      [sharper]
13:28:09 <Justin> Justin has joined #rd
13:28:18 <shadi> zakim, clear agenda
13:28:18 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:28:23 <shadi> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:28:23 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:28:23 <shadi> RESOLVED: Accessibility and Way-finding, Navigation and Exploration systems Online Symposium 3 December 2014
13:28:23 <shadi> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [christos, vivienne, annika]
13:28:24 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Metrics  [markel, giorgio]
13:28:25 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Mobile [sharper, peter, yeliz]
13:28:29 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Text Customisation [david, shawn]
13:28:31 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Easy to Read [klaus]
13:28:33 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: User Modeling [yehya, christos]
13:28:35 <shadi> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: eLearning [justin, silvia]
13:28:37 <shadi> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business      [sharper]
13:28:39 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:28:39 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:28:41 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:29:01 <Vivienne> ack me
13:29:06 <sharper> sharper has joined #rd
13:29:08 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:29:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15, Vivienne, [IPcaller], Shadi
13:29:13 <sharper> trackbot, start meeting
13:29:13 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:29:13 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:29:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:29:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:29:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:29:17 <shadi> zakim, ??p15 is klaus
13:29:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:29:18 <trackbot> Date: 13 August 2014
13:29:19 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as ??P15, shadi
13:29:36 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:29:37 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:29:38 <sharper> RESOLVED: Accessibility and Way-finding, Navigation and Exploration systems Online
13:29:40 <sharper> Symposium 3 December 2014
13:29:41 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR)
13:29:43 <sharper> [christos, vivienne, annika]
13:29:44 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Metrics  [markel, giorgio]
13:29:46 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Mobile [sharper, peter, yeliz]
13:29:47 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Text Customisation [david, shawn]
13:29:49 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Easy to Read [klaus]
13:29:50 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: User Modeling [yehya, christos]
13:29:51 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: eLearning [justin, silvia]
13:29:52 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business 	 [sharper]
13:30:00 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:30:04 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:30:05 <sharper> Last weeks - and previous minutes can be found at:
13:30:06 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/minutes-history>
13:30:07 <annika> annika has joined #rd
13:30:07 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/13-rd-agenda.rdf
13:30:08 <sharper> Keep on-top of scribing at:
13:30:08 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:30:09 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
13:30:10 <sharper> Scribing Commands:
13:30:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:30:10 <Zakim> I notice WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has restarted
13:30:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15, Vivienne, [IPcaller], Shadi
13:30:11 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Weekly_Call_Scribing>
13:30:15 <Justin> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:30:15 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
13:30:37 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:30:37 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:30:40 <shadi> zakim, ??p15 is klaus
13:30:40 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
13:30:41 <sharper> regrets: yeliz, markel, giorgio, silvia
13:30:49 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Justin
13:30:49 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
13:31:03 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Justin
13:31:04 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
13:31:16 <shadi> zakim, [ipcaller] is Justin
13:31:16 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller]'
13:31:17 <Zakim> +??P17
13:31:21 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:31:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see klaus, Vivienne (muted), Justin, Shadi, ??P17
13:31:31 <annika> zakim, ??P17 is me
13:31:31 <Zakim> +annika; got it
13:31:35 <Zakim> +??P18
13:31:40 <sharper> zakim, ??P 18is sharper
13:31:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P 18is sharper', sharper
13:31:44 <shadi> scribe: shadi
13:31:44 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:31:44 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:31:47 <sharper> zakim, ??P18 is sharper
13:31:47 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:32:12 <Justin> woo hoo
13:33:15 <klaus> +1
13:33:39 <Vivienne> many thanks to Giorgio from me too
13:33:43 <shadi> SH: Giorgio needs to leave the group
13:34:01 <shadi> ...would to thank him for all his contributions
13:34:18 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:34:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR)" taken up [from sharper]
13:34:44 <shadi> agenda?
13:34:50 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:34:50 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, shadi
13:35:10 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:35:10 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Note Edit Status: Metrics " taken up [from markel, giorgio via sharper]
13:35:30 <shadi> SH: didn't receive feedback from Judy on her comments yet
13:35:40 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 3
13:35:40 <Zakim> agendum 3, Note Edit Status: Metrics , closed
13:35:41 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:35:41 <Zakim> 2. Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [from sharper]
13:35:46 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
13:35:46 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Note Edit Status: Mobile" taken up [from sharper, peter, yeliz via sharper]
13:36:09 <shadi> SH: waiting for final changes from Yeliz then ready for the group
13:36:19 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 4
13:36:19 <Zakim> agendum 4, Note Edit Status: Mobile, closed
13:36:20 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:36:20 <Zakim> 2. Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [from sharper]
13:36:23 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 5
13:36:23 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Note Edit Status: Text Customisation" taken up [from david, shawn via sharper]
13:36:38 <shadi> SH: expecting timeline from Shawn and David
13:36:46 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 5
13:36:46 <Zakim> agendum 5, Note Edit Status: Text Customisation, closed
13:36:47 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:36:47 <Zakim> 2. Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [from sharper]
13:36:49 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 6
13:36:49 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Note Edit Status: Easy to Read" taken up [from klaus via sharper]
13:37:10 <shadi> KM: making the document easier to read
13:37:21 <shadi> ...did not receive comments on the content
13:37:25 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 6
13:37:25 <Zakim> agendum 6, Note Edit Status: Easy to Read, closed
13:37:26 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:37:26 <Zakim> 2. Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [from sharper]
13:37:32 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 7
13:37:32 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Note Edit Status: User Modeling" taken up [from yehya, christos via sharper]
13:37:50 <shadi> SH: Christos prepared document for Yehya's review
13:38:12 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 7
13:38:12 <Zakim> agendum 7, Note Edit Status: User Modeling, closed
13:38:13 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:38:13 <Zakim> 2. Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [from sharper]
13:38:17 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 8
13:38:17 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Note Edit Status: eLearning" taken up [from justin, silvia via sharper]
13:40:14 <shadi> JB: working on getting the draft ready
13:40:19 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 8
13:40:19 <Zakim> agendum 8, Note Edit Status: eLearning, closed
13:40:20 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:40:20 <Zakim> 2. Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR) [from sharper]
13:40:23 <shadi> agenda?
13:40:30 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:40:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR)" taken up [from sharper]
13:40:42 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accessibility_and_way-finding,_navigation_and_exploration_systems
13:41:47 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
13:41:47 <Zakim> unmuting Vivienne
13:41:48 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:42:21 <Vivienne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accessibility_and_way-finding,_navigation_and_exploration_systems#Call_for_Papers:_Accessibility_and_Way-finding.2C_Navigation_and_Exploration_systems_Online_Symposium_3_December_2014
13:42:27 <Vivienne> That's the one Shadi sent me
13:43:06 <annika> I also made some updates the to link that shadi sent.
13:44:55 <shadi> SH: people happy with the changes?
13:45:07 <shadi> VC: yes, happy so far
13:45:29 <shadi> ...think need to focus on the contributions
13:45:55 <shadi> ...was expecting about condensation
13:46:38 <annika> zakim, unmute me
13:46:38 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
13:48:52 <shadi> SAZ: could look at title
13:49:14 <shadi> ...started with scope, to try to firm up the focus
13:49:24 <shadi> ...then went to introduction and background
13:49:56 <shadi> AN: many aspects in there
13:50:12 <shadi> ...need to tidy up the questions in the contributions
13:50:51 <shadi> SH: wondering about Linked Open Data
13:51:06 <shadi> ...seems to be a topic for a different symposium
13:51:06 <shadi> q+
13:51:18 <sharper> ack sh
13:51:20 <annika> q+
13:51:20 <shadi> ack me
13:54:04 <shadi> SAZ: think the contributions section needs to map to the scoper section
13:54:05 <annika> ack me
13:54:07 <shadi> ...need to agree on the scope section
13:54:11 <shadi> s/scoper/scope
13:54:36 <shadi> VC: a lot there and won't be easy to condense
13:54:50 <shadi> AN: second set is well-related to the Web
13:55:05 <shadi> ...on the other hand might be too broad of a scope
13:55:49 <shadi> SH: lots of work on the Linked Open Data
13:56:06 <shadi> ...we might be going overboard with this
13:57:32 <shadi> SAZ: what does the group think of the scope?
13:57:40 <shadi> VC: happy with it as it is
13:58:16 <shadi> AN: agree, looks very good
13:58:41 <annika> In the E2R CfP we used "Core Topics" and "Additional Topics". Could we mark the open data as additional topic?
14:00:21 <klaus> q+
14:00:26 <shadi> SH: wonder if we need two separate sections for scope and contributions
14:00:35 <shadi> ...on the other hand, stand well on it's own
14:00:54 <shadi> ...not sure how to fit self-driving cars in here
14:01:05 <shadi> ...mobility was initially part of the thought
14:01:08 <shadi> q+
14:01:27 <sharper> ack kl
14:02:02 <annika> q+
14:02:10 <shadi> KM: trip-planning seems like an interesting application domain
14:02:13 <shadi> ...also legal issues
14:02:24 <shadi> ...for example, what happens when someone is guided the wrong way
14:02:34 <shadi> ...or a faulty way
14:02:43 <sharper> ack sha
14:04:13 <annika> ack me
14:04:13 <sharper> ack ann
14:04:28 <shadi> SAZ: excellent suggestions but not sure if they are included in the text at all
14:04:48 <shadi> ...need to include it in the text
14:05:08 <shadi> ...though we may be scope-creeping
14:05:13 <shadi> ...especially mobility is a broader area of work
14:05:28 <shadi> AN: not sure how related self-driving cars are with the web
14:05:52 <shadi> ...also the other additions could be broader than the main focus
14:06:18 <shadi> ...could have "core topics" and "additional topics" for the contributions
14:06:45 <shadi> q+
14:06:46 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:06:46 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:07:07 <shadi> SH: yes, could be an approach
14:07:09 <sharper> ack sh
14:08:48 <annika> +1 for using mobility
14:08:59 <Vivienne> ack me
14:09:06 <klaus> +1 for orientation and mobility
14:09:06 <shadi> SAZ: really like the aspect of "mobility", also as a term
14:09:37 <shadi> ...just concerned if we may be expanding the scope too much
14:09:53 <shadi> VC: worried that indoor way-finding might be lost could be lost
14:11:35 <shadi> SAZ: need to be clearly written
14:12:06 <shadi> ...like a "macro" and "micro" level orientation and navigation
14:12:22 <shadi> SH: can we have a new version ready for next week?
14:12:28 <shadi> VC: think so
14:12:54 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:12:54 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:12:55 <shadi> SH: what about the scientific committee
14:13:33 <shadi> ...maybe also people outside the group?
14:14:06 <shadi> +1 to having people on the SC from outside the group
14:14:32 <Vivienne> +1 to having some experts in the area, as it is not my primary background
14:14:57 <klaus> I allow myself to recommend my colleague - it is his phd topic.
14:16:44 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:16:44 <Zakim> agendum 2, Symposium Status: Way-Finding (CfP due 7th Sept 2014 - http://goo.gl/SmZksR), closed
14:16:46 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:16:46 <Zakim> 9. STANDING  - Any Other Business 	 [from sharper]
14:17:18 <klaus> bye thanks
14:17:18 <Vivienne> good night
14:17:20 <Zakim> -sharper
14:17:22 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
14:17:23 <annika> bye
14:17:23 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:17:24 <Zakim> -Justin
14:17:26 <Zakim> -annika
14:17:28 <Zakim> -Vivienne
14:17:32 <Zakim> -klaus
14:17:33 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:17:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Vivienne, Shadi, Justin, klaus, annika, sharper
14:41:41 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:41:41 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:41:41 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:41:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:41:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/13-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:41:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:41:50 <RRSAgent> I see no action items