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14:52:56 RRSAgent, make logs world
14:52:58 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:52:58 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago
14:52:59 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:52:59 Date: 07 August 2014
14:53:09 agenda?
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14:53:19 zakim, clear agenda
14:53:19 agenda cleared
14:53:24 Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:53:24 Chair: Janina
14:53:24 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:53:27 agenda+ Longdesc [See Below]
14:53:30 agenda+ Techniques for Providing Useful Text Alternatives
14:53:32 agenda+ Media Subteam
14:53:35 agenda+ HTML 5.1 Next Steps [See Below]
14:53:37 agenda+ Picture Element Alt http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content.html#an-image-in-a-picture-element
14:53:40 agenda+ Other Business
14:53:43 agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:53:46 agenda+ be done
14:54:02 zakim, ??P5 is me
14:54:02 I already had ??P5 as ??P5, janina
14:54:14 zakim, this will be 2119
14:54:14 ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago
14:54:23 zakim, ??P5 is me
14:54:23 I already had ??P5 as ??P5, janina
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14:55:10 zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
14:55:10 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
14:55:55 move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here
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14:56:19 zakim, ??P5 is me
14:56:19 I already had ??P5 as ??P5, janina
14:56:28 zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
14:56:28 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
14:56:52 zakim, move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here
14:56:52 I don't understand 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here', janina
14:57:08 rrsagent, move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here
14:57:08 I'm logging. I don't understand 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here', janina. Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:57:27 zakim, "move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here"
14:57:27 I don't understand '"move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here"', janina
14:58:15 zakim, move WAI_PFWG to here
14:58:16 ok, janina; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
14:59:04 zakim, ??P5 is me
14:59:04 +janina; got it
14:59:11 zakim, who's here?
14:59:11 On the phone I see David_MacDonald, janina
14:59:13 On IRC I see ShaneM, paulc, David, RRSAgent, liam, IanPouncey, newtron_, Joshue, janina, MarkS, Zakim, sivoais, hober, cabanier, trackbot
14:59:25 agenda?
14:59:38 zakim, next item
14:59:38 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:59:48 aardrian has joined #html-a11y
15:00:00 zakim, what is the code?
15:00:01 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:00:20 +Adrian_Roselli
15:00:23 +[Microsoft]
15:00:31 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:00:31 +paulc; got it
15:00:47 +MarkS
15:01:01 +Shane_McCarron
15:01:11 zakim, Shane_McCarron is ShaneM
15:01:11 +ShaneM; got it
15:01:22 chaals has joined #html-a11y
15:02:20 +[IPcaller]
15:02:28 zakim, [ip is me
15:02:28 +chaals; got it
15:02:44 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:02:46 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:46 On the phone I see David_MacDonald, janina, Adrian_Roselli, paulc, MarkS, ShaneM, chaals, Cynthia_Shelly
15:03:59 scribe: aardrian
15:04:06 scribeNick: aardrian
15:04:14 scribe: AdrianR
15:04:14 zakim, next item
15:04:14 agendum 2. "Longdesc" taken up [from See Below]
15:04:49 Judy has joined #html-a11y
15:04:50 JS: Would like to table for now until later in the call.
15:06:06 +Judy
15:06:50 zakim, take up item 3
15:06:50 agendum 3. "Techniques for Providing Useful Text Alternatives" taken up [from janina]
15:07:17 JS: Have had conversation with Steve F. What we looked at in CfCs is indeed final content.
15:07:40 JS: We need to finish work of adding boilerplate content to document.
15:08:16 JS: Who would ordinarily do that? Robin? Steve? Or can Liam take this on?
15:08:38 PC: Any of the above. Whatever gets it done as quickly as possible.
15:08:46 +John_Foliot
15:09:09 PC: We know Liam is traveling this week. Asking Steve F. is iffy, other staff contacts may be tied up as well.
15:09:16 q+ to volunteer to finish the changes
15:09:25 [I'm overloaded and away from the office this week, but watching in here on IRC]
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15:10:02 JB: We need announcement explaining a11y.
15:10:07 PC: Is that ready yet?
15:10:21 JS: Perhaps not.
15:10:46 JB: Simply adding to list of items to add.
15:10:56 JS: Look to Liam?
15:11:04 We need a) the SOTD updated to reflect the doc is a WG Note b) content for the W3C announcement c) someone to work with the Webmaster to get the doc published.
15:11:11 JB: Might bounce back to me, but if it's Mike he needs to be reminded of need to sync that up.
15:12:08 JB: Cannot add to my queue for next week.
15:12:10 I decided to not wait for publication to handle the two formal objections which I got withdrawn.
15:12:22 [ I expect to be able to do those things next week, and/or to work with Judy and others ]
15:13:11 Formal objection retraction: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Aug/0003.html
15:13:17 SM: This document has been ready to publish for months, want to help make it happen.
15:13:39 JB: With transition for losing team contact, this has slipped.
15:13:43 ack s
15:13:43 ShaneM, you wanted to volunteer to finish the changes
15:14:11 JS: Have heard Mike has been tied up as well, so we're already at least two weeks out.
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15:14:26 PC: Let's see if Liam can do it when he gets back, post August 21.
15:15:08 JS: I think we have identified the people to move this forward.
15:15:19 JS: Targeting August 21 for publication.
15:15:36 zakim, take up item 2.
15:15:36 agendum 2. "Longdesc" taken up [from See Below via janina]
15:15:55 +[IPcaller]
15:16:05 Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:16:05 +IanPouncey1; got it
15:16:31 JB: The CfC to go to CR cleared the TF, went to HTMLWG, PFWG.
15:16:47 JB: Comments offered during discussion.
15:17:01 JB: Same set request for Director's meeting.
15:17:23 JB: Got notice a formal objection was coming. Don't have specific content.
15:17:32 JB: Expect to be able to say more next week.
15:17:53 q+
15:18:29 CM: We don't know the objection yet, but evidence suggests this isn't new information.
15:18:36 JB: We don't know until we have it.
15:19:17 JS: One thing should be clear, at this stage we require new information in order to go back to an earlier stage.
15:19:23 JS: Probably not worth speculating.
15:19:24 s/evidence suggests this isn't/is there any evidence that we should expect/
15:19:55 PC: It's clear that the company that feels strongly about this wants to get its ducks in a row.
15:20:30 PC: It's also clear that the company will need to put together a point-by-point, or offer new data.
15:21:15 JB: I encourage people to stay tuned in August provided we can continue to move this document forward.
15:21:45 q?
15:21:51 ack c
15:22:01 zakim, next item
15:22:01 agendum 3. "Techniques for Providing Useful Text Alternatives" taken up [from janina]
15:22:10 zakim, next item
15:22:10 agendum 3 was just opened, aardrian
15:22:19 zakim, close this item
15:22:19 agendum 3 closed
15:22:20 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:20 4. Media Subteam [from janina]
15:22:25 zakim, next item
15:22:25 agendum 4. "Media Subteam" taken up [from janina]
15:22:38 JS: We have not met.
15:23:07 JS: Heartbeat publication for UA media requirements is held up.
15:23:21 JS: Hoping to get it out soon, not a lot of work left.
15:23:41 JB: Yes, I resolved one open question. I think we are ready to go for next Tuesday.
15:23:51 zakim, next item
15:23:51 agendum 5. "HTML 5.1 Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]
15:23:57 -ShaneM
15:24:23 JS: I think there are due dates in August, can anyone speak to those?
15:24:25 +ShaneM
15:25:05 JF: I believe I have items due, but I am behind schedule.
15:25:07 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
15:25:40 JS: Can someone walk through the wiki so we can log dates here?
15:26:07 JF: Full transcripts, media descriptions were due for late July, August. Would like at least two weeks.
15:26:20 JS: Let's target late August, early September.
15:26:49 JB: If we're missing 5.1 possibilities, I am worried given that we're still in preliminary stage.
15:27:00 q+
15:27:11 JS: We're not behind until now based on wiki calendar, and we're falling behind in August.
15:27:19 JB: Is there one item John can do in August?
15:28:05 JF: We need to pick up transcript work and media descriptions, but we fell behind.
15:28:53 JS: Regarding missing boat on 5.1, we may discuss writing transcripts as extension specification.
15:29:09 JS: We are authorized by Plan 2014 if we so choose.
15:29:19 JF: UI widgets...
15:29:22 JS: We did that.
15:29:59 JF: input type numeric was for June 26.
15:31:10 JS: There isn't someone assigned for emotional markup, I'll take that on to find someone.
15:31:28 JF: Haptic output, note with Mark to follow up on time estimates.
15:32:10 JF: Gaming, Mark was to follow up on that.
15:32:50 JS: When can we get a presentation on this?
15:33:02 IP: I can help on that, just point me to what you're looking for.
15:34:22 q?
15:34:26 ack c
15:35:16 CM: With all the interaction methods, they are relevant to a large number of games.
15:35:33 CM: A large number of games use canvas, some use SVG or other technologies.
15:36:04 CM: There is a lot to look at, like gamepad API, full screen API, etc. Lots to look at that can apply.
15:36:46 JF: We talked about haptic input, and that may be involved there too.
15:36:55 CM: Yes, it's one of many inputs.
15:37:10 JS: That's a good overview. I'll still send Ian an overview.
15:38:13 JF: Cognitive; follow up with Lisa.
15:38:38 JF: I know they are getting close to something they may want to present soon to a larger group.
15:38:49 JF: Referencing UAG with a note for Gene.
15:39:39 JF: Web payments on Chaals for August 21 action #260.
15:40:01 JF: Footnotes/endnote/annotations: due date July 10.
15:40:36 q+
15:40:40 MS: I talked to Yvonne H. and Doug S. about possibility of expanding role attribute.
15:40:56 s/Yvonne H./Ivan Herman/
15:41:11 s/Yvonne H./Ivan Herman
15:41:29 q?
15:41:47 JF: According to notes, there was a bug filed.
15:42:05 JF: There was thinking about moving this into ARIA 1.1.
15:42:17 DM: The big issue to me is getting in and out of footnotes.
15:42:32 JS: Is that a spec or UA issue?
15:42:47 Q+
15:42:53 DM: Can we port what they're doing in Daisy to HTML5?
15:43:26 JS: Increasingly Daisy is syncing to ePub, which is syncing to HTML5.
15:43:53 DM: It warrants a special element for a special behavior. Can we get it ported to 5.1?
15:44:03 JB: Isn't that element alread in HTML?
15:44:09 DM: I can check.
15:44:51 JS: On August 28 we're having a joint call with Digital Publishing Interest Group. We can talk to them then.
15:45:27 JS: Can we associate you with this area?
15:45:44 DM: Yes. I'll be gone last week of August.
15:46:11 ack chaals
15:47:01 CM: I have a question about footnotes. There is a different area of annotations.
15:47:56 CM: Can we look at a way to make it reversible, or look at link rel=rev as an option.
15:48:05 CM: Doug S. is following that.
15:48:15 ack j
15:48:39 JF: A lot of work in footnotes is around acting on footnotes, much relies on scripting.
15:49:15 JF: We deal with footnotes a lot, so I can share with you later.
15:49:36 ack JF
15:49:42 ack cyn
15:49:48 CS: Another thing to look at is ARIA annotations proposal from MS Office.
15:49:56 s/Can we look at a way to make it reversible, or look at link/Beyond footnotes (for which, look also at the longdesc discussions which touched on the question), there is also Web Annotation where W3C is looking at starting up a working group - this enables something like backward linking, effectively rebuilding the functionality of/
15:49:58 CS: It's working its way through the ARIA group.
15:50:30 s/as an option/although about the only point it touches on HTML is probably whether to reinstate rel="rev"…
15:51:07 JF: The final item is Action 261 on Janina and Leonie.
15:51:16 JS: I think we handled that back in July.
15:51:48 JS: It looks like we have identified a couple areas where no one is identified.
15:52:11 q?
15:52:15 JS: We have gaming and footnotes assigned. Next calendared presentation is two weeks when we hear from Chaals on web payments.
15:52:19 ack cyn
15:52:33 CS: What are the next steps?
15:52:53 JS: We need some suggestions on concrete next steps for areas that aren't scoped.
15:53:40 ack c
15:54:08 JS: 5.1 goes to LC sometime in 4th quarter.
15:54:34 PC: That's what Plan 2014 says. Don't think WG has public statement besides that.
15:54:48 PC: Think there are two events that may impact that:
15:55:10 PC: A workshop/conference (Xxtensible Web Summit? September 11).
15:55:19 PC: TPAC at end of October?
15:55:26 PC: This is speculation.
15:56:31 JS: Even if we miss 5.1 there is 5.2 and so on for fixes to minor specificity.
15:57:02 CS: A menu that anyone would be interested in implementing would garner interest.
15:57:33 JS: Any other feedback?
15:57:37 zakim, next item
15:57:37 agendum 6. "Picture Element Alt http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content.html#an-image-in-a-picture-element" taken up [from janina]
15:57:59 JS: We have proposed language for picture element, from Steve F.
15:58:07 JS: We should give him our opinion on-list.
15:58:21 zakim, next item
15:58:21 agendum 6 was just opened, aardrian
15:58:26 zakim, close this item
15:58:26 agendum 6 closed
15:58:27 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:58:27 7. Other Business [from janina]
15:58:31 zakim, next item
15:58:31 agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:58:50 PC: Can we can an update on where we are for core SVG work?
15:59:20 JS: I know Jason has been actively developing, Rich has first draft of SVG Mappings spec available.
15:59:44 PC: Is there a wiki that gives the status?
15:59:58 JS: No. We held off in anticipation of name changes.
16:00:17 -Cynthia_Shelly
16:00:21 -chaals
16:00:26 -MarkS
16:00:28 -IanPouncey1
16:00:28 -John_Foliot
16:00:29