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15:02:25 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:29 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:02:34 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log public
15:02:41 <jrossi> Zakim, Microsoft is jrossi
15:02:41 <Zakim> +jrossi; got it
15:02:42 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
15:02:42 <ArtB> Scribe: ArtB
15:02:42 <ArtB> Meeting: Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
15:02:42 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0041.html
15:02:42 <ArtB> Chair: ArtB
15:02:47 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:02:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html ArtB
15:03:16 <scott_gonzalez> Is the call choppy for anyone else?
15:03:22 <jrossi> me too
15:03:23 <smaug_> smaug_ has joined #pointerevents
15:03:26 <Asir> Choppy - yes
15:03:46 <ArtB> Present: Art_Barstow, Jacob_Rossi, Asir_Vedamuthu, Matt_Brubeck, Doug_Schepers, Scott_González
15:03:49 <Asir> Better now
15:04:00 <smaug_> skype issues here
15:04:00 <ArtB> Regrets: Patrick_Lauke, Rick_Byers
15:04:07 <scott_gonzalez> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:04:07 <ArtB> Topic: Tweak agenda
15:04:18 <Zakim> scott_gonzalez, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Asir (43%), ArtB (51%)
15:04:28 <ArtB> AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0041.html
15:04:35 <scott_gonzalez> Asir, I think you might need to mute.
15:04:39 <ArtB> … any change requests?
15:04:43 <ArtB> [ None ]
15:04:58 <Asir> Very choppy
15:05:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:15 <Zakim> -ArtB
15:05:16 <smaug_> that is me
15:05:30 <smaug_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
15:05:30 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
15:05:35 <smaug_> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
15:05:35 <Zakim> ok, smaug_, I now associate smaug with Olli_Pettay
15:05:58 <Zakim> +Art_Barstow
15:06:02 <ArtB> Topic: Open Pull Requests
15:06:22 <ArtB> AB: we have 3 PRs that are open so I would like to understand the status and plans to complete (merge) them
15:06:28 <ArtB> AB: PR-1119;  9.1.1 pen restriction and 14.1 update according to spec; https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1119
15:06:38 <ArtB> AB: PR-1121; SVG touch-action tests; https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1121
15:06:47 <ArtB> AB: PR-1124; Updates and new tests for TAs 2.4.1, 3.6, 3.6.1, 4.3, 4.3.1;  https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1124
15:07:11 <ArtB> AB: any status on 1119?
15:07:41 <ArtB> … we need review?
15:07:44 <ArtB> JR: yes
15:07:55 <ArtB> AB: who can commit to reviewing 1119?
15:08:01 <ArtB> MB: I'll do it today
15:08:08 <ArtB> AV: very simple
15:08:20 <ArtB> ACTION: Matt review PR 1119 and Merge if it is OK
15:08:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Review pr 1119 and merge if it is ok [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-08-12].
15:08:40 <ArtB> AB: what about 1121?
15:08:59 <ArtB> MB: this is also waiting for review
15:09:02 <ArtB> JR: it's a new test
15:09:15 <ArtB> … tests touch-action with SVG elements
15:09:26 <ArtB> … slightly diff than other touch-action tests
15:09:33 <ArtB> … uses a button that can be tapped
15:09:54 <ArtB> … otherwise pretty straight forward
15:10:00 <ArtB> AB: any volunteers?
15:10:14 <ArtB> … Doug, you're Mr. SVG
15:10:19 <ArtB> DS: oh, right
15:10:31 <ArtB> ACTION: doug review PR 1121
15:10:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Review pr 1121 [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-08-12].
15:11:05 <ArtB> AV: if Doug is ok with the test, may he merge it?
15:11:14 <ArtB> AB: yes, I think that is appropriate
15:11:24 <ArtB> AB: so what about 1124?
15:11:46 <ArtB> MB: Sangwhan reviewed it and submitted comments
15:11:56 <ArtB> … he is discussing with Cathy
15:12:11 <ArtB> JR: I need to catch up on the related email between Cathy and Sangwhan
15:12:29 <mbrubeck> Discussion at https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/2175 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0044.html
15:12:52 <ArtB> AB: ok, then let's wait for the discussion to continue
15:13:01 <ArtB> JR: looks like Artem will need to make a few changes
15:13:07 <ArtB> AB: ok, thanks all
15:13:19 <ArtB> Topic: Test assertion data
15:13:26 <ArtB> AB: TA wiki has a couple of entries that I'd some clarification https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions
15:13:35 <ArtB> AB: PR-1112 entries: why are the related assertions for this merged PR marked Yellow? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1112
15:13:35 <ArtB> 
15:13:35 <ArtB> AB: PR-1113 entries: why are the related assertions for this merged PR marked Yellow? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1113
15:14:10 <ArtB> SG: the wiki hadn't been updated yet
15:14:55 <ArtB> AV: I use yellow when something is not yet approved and merged
15:15:07 <ArtB> … if there is no test case, I used Red
15:16:05 <ArtB> AB: ok, let me take a look at 1112 and 1113
15:16:15 <ArtB> … I now see those entries are Green
15:16:35 <ArtB> AV: All - after you review and merge, please mark the TAs as Greeen
15:16:59 <ArtB> … this TA table should be in Github
15:17:05 <ArtB> … that would help keep them in sync
15:17:17 <ArtB> JR: probably too late for this spec
15:17:30 <ArtB> AB: that's an excellent idea
15:17:45 <ArtB> Topic: Assertions needing test cases
15:17:52 <ArtB> AB: we have some assertions that need test case and that means we need some volunteer(s)
15:18:05 <ArtB> AB: 5.3 ("Microsoft will submit"); https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_pointermove_events
15:18:05 <ArtB> ... 11.3; https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_lostpointercapture_events
15:18:05 <ArtB> ... 13.4; https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_setPointerCapture
15:18:05 <ArtB> ... 15.{11,18,19,20} ("Microsoft will submit") https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property
15:18:48 <ArtB> AV: yes, a PR for 5.3 is on the way
15:18:55 <ArtB> AB: what about 11.3?
15:19:18 <ArtB> AV: Cathy added this TA
15:19:23 <ArtB> … we have no volunteer
15:19:32 <ArtB> JR: yes, this was added late
15:19:48 <ArtB> AB: any volunteers for 11.3?
15:20:13 <ArtB> JR: we need to change IE for 11.3
15:20:44 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 11.3
15:20:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for ta 11.3 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-08-12].
15:20:58 <ArtB> AB: what about 13.4?
15:21:17 <ArtB> AV: Cathy added this one late too
15:22:05 <ArtB> … in the future, we should start with Test Cases and then create the Test Assertions
15:22:41 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 13.4
15:22:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for ta 13.4 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-08-12].
15:23:15 <ArtB> AB: what is the priority of have a test for 11.3 and 13.4?
15:23:32 <ArtB> … IOW, should tests for these two TAs block CR interop testing?
15:25:09 <ArtB> … not sure if we need to block CR testing for these two
15:25:23 <ArtB> JR: I tend to see these as edge cases
15:25:56 <Asir> These are edge cases
15:26:01 <ArtB> SG: not sure about how much of an edge case it is
15:26:16 <ArtB> JR: I don't think we implement 11.3 now but we will change
15:26:34 <ArtB> … that said, I haven't heard of confusion for that scenario
15:26:59 <ArtB> SG: if no one writes test case before I return online in 2 weeks, I can write the tests
15:27:32 <ArtB> AB: thanks Scott
15:27:52 <ArtB> AB: ... 15.{11,18,19,20} ("Microsoft will submit") https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property
15:28:15 <ArtB> AV: yes, a PR is on the way
15:28:20 <ArtB> AB: great, thanks
15:28:58 <ArtB> AB: what's the status of "To-be-added: Assertions for touch-action: manipulation" https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property
15:29:38 <ArtB> AV: we are submitting related tests for 15.20 so I don't know what the last TA means
15:29:50 <ArtB> AB: who added it?
15:29:54 <ArtB> AV: I think Cathy did
15:30:21 <ArtB> AB: do you think your test for 15.20 will cover this?
15:30:31 <ArtB> AV: I can say that 15.20 will cover manipulation
15:30:40 <ArtB> JR: think we only need one real test
15:30:52 <ArtB> … for that feature
15:31:50 <ArtB> AB: so it sounds like Cathy should review 15.20 when it is available and let us know if there is still something related to manipulation that is needed
15:32:04 <ArtB> … sound about right?
15:32:39 <ArtB> ACTION: Cathy review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios
15:32:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-119 - Review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios [on Cathy Chan - due 2014-08-12].
15:32:54 <ArtB> Topic: AoB
15:32:59 <ArtB> AB: anything else for today?
15:34:53 <ArtB> AB: not seeing a need ATM for a call next week so a call in 2 weeks is probably the earliest
15:35:02 <ArtB> AB: thanks everyone
15:35:06 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
15:35:06 <ArtB> … meeting adjourned
15:35:10 <Zakim> -Scott_Gonzalez
15:35:10 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
15:35:12 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:35:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html ArtB
15:35:15 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
15:35:45 <Zakim> -jrossi
15:36:09 <ArtB> Regrets+ Cathy_Chan
15:36:13 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:36:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-minutes.html ArtB
16:03:20 <Zakim> -Asir
16:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Matt_Brubeck, in RWC_PEWG()11:00AM
16:35:02 <Zakim> RWC_PEWG()11:00AM has ended
16:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.425.706.aaaa, Scott_Gonzalez, Matt_Brubeck, ArtB, Doug_Schepers, jrossi, Asir, Olli_Pettay, Art_Barstow
16:37:30 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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16:37:36 <ArtB> RRSAgent, bye
16:37:36 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
16:37:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Matt review PR 1119 and Merge if it is OK [1]
16:37:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-08-20
16:37:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: doug review PR 1121 [2]
16:37:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-10-31
16:37:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 11.3 [3]
16:37:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-20-44
16:37:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 13.4 [4]
16:37:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-22-41
16:37:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cathy review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios [5]
16:37:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-32-39
16:37:47 <ArtB> ArtB has changed the topic to: Pointer Events WG