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13:58:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:58:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:58:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:58:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:58 <trackbot> Date: 04 August 2014
13:59:26 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
13:59:34 <Zakim> +Arnaud
13:59:57 <Arnaud> ok
14:02:12 <Zakim> +Matt
14:02:18 <deiu> Zakim, +Matt is me
14:02:18 <Zakim> sorry, deiu, I do not recognize a party named '+Matt'
14:02:23 <deiu> Zakim, Matt is me
14:02:23 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
14:02:26 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
14:02:40 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
14:02:40 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
14:03:15 <JohnArwe> JohnArwe has joined #ldp
14:03:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:03:31 <Zakim> +Alexandre
14:03:41 <bblfish> hi
14:03:43 <bblfish> connected
14:03:59 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:04:12 <deiu> Skype does VOIP
14:04:13 <bblfish> zakim who is here?
14:04:28 <bblfish> Zakim, who is here?
14:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, deiu (muted), JohnArwe, [IPcaller], Alexandre, Sandro
14:04:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, deiu, betehess, TallTed, bblfish, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot
14:04:36 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller is bblfish
14:04:36 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
14:04:37 <bblfish> mhh
14:04:43 <bblfish> weird
14:04:48 <bblfish> never did that before.
14:06:56 <JohnArwe> regrets: steve speicher, sergio
14:07:31 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-07-28
14:07:35 <bblfish> Topic: Minutes of Last meeting
14:07:43 <Arnaud> scribe: bblfish
14:07:44 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
14:07:47 <bblfish> Topic: Minutes of Last meeting
14:07:49 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:07:49 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
14:07:53 <deiu> scribenickL bblfish
14:08:07 <deiu> s/scribenickL bblfish/scribenick: bblfish
14:08:09 <betehess> looks fine to me
14:08:27 <bblfish> approved minutes of last week http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-07-28
14:08:38 <bblfish> next meeting next week
14:08:50 <bblfish> no objections.... passed
14:08:57 <bblfish> Topic: Open Actions
14:10:06 <bblfish> action-146?
14:10:06 <trackbot> action-146 -- John Arwe to Clarify the spec, saying that our intent is that ldp paging support "signal" requires the presence of the 'pagsize' parameter, and to reply on the public comments list to see if that addresses the concern -- due 2014-08-04 -- OPEN
14:10:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/146
14:10:31 <bblfish> close actions 146
14:10:49 <bblfish> close actions-146
14:10:53 <bblfish> close action-146
14:10:53 <trackbot> Closed action-146.
14:12:07 <bblfish> which action?
14:12:19 <JohnArwe> action-145?
14:12:19 <trackbot> action-145 -- Sandro Hawke to Figure out where json-ld context for ldp goes on w3.org -- due 2014-08-04 -- OPEN
14:12:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/145
14:13:01 <bblfish> Arnaud: Two pieces of work: update the primer
14:13:10 <bblfish>  and the other was to ?
14:13:52 <JohnArwe> other = serve the json-ld context when a  client GETs the LDP nsuri with accept json-ld
14:13:53 <bblfish>  ... send an e-mail to the list with a link to the archive discussion, and a link to the context...
14:14:07 <JohnArwe> ericp, you tuned in?
14:14:45 <bblfish> Topic: Paging
14:15:03 <bblfish> Arnaud: John what is the status of the spec? What is stopping us from the last call?
14:15:20 <bblfish> JohnArwe: three things on the agenda
14:15:55 <deiu> In the channel topic
14:16:00 <Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.08.04
14:16:42 <bblfish> thanks
14:17:19 <JohnArwe> proposal from the email: 5.1.5 LDP Paging clients SHOULD NOT treat a page sequence as equivalent to
14:17:19 <JohnArwe> > the paged resource when the _paged resource changed_ [link to 6.2.8]
14:17:19 <JohnArwe> > _during retrieval of the page sequence_ [link to 6.2.7].
14:17:45 <bblfish> vote:
14:17:49 <bblfish> proposal accepted
14:18:09 <bblfish> proposal to add Should on 410 for abandoning page sequences
14:18:16 <Arnaud> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/0153.html
14:18:33 <TallTed> +1
14:18:37 <JohnArwe> proposal was: [[LDP Paging servers SHOULD indicate that they have abandoned a
14:18:37 <JohnArwe> > > > sequence by responding with at 410-Gone to any of the in-sequence
14:18:37 <JohnArwe> > > > pages with appropriate paging link response headers, rel='first']]
14:19:02 <bblfish> makes sense
14:19:33 <bblfish> Sandro seems to have a cold
14:19:50 <bblfish> sandro is ok with the proposal
14:19:55 <bblfish> proposal approved
14:20:18 <bblfish> proposal: best practices authors - willing to adopt paging appendix?
14:21:33 <bblfish> sandro: people will probably not read the best practices, and criticise anyway
14:21:45 <JohnArwe> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html#ldpr-impl
14:21:47 <bblfish> me: I suppose you can always point them to BP
14:22:30 <bblfish> One argument was that it is always easier to update a BP than it is to update a normative spec
14:24:14 <bblfish> search for "consideration" in the spec . last line before 6.2
14:24:45 <bblfish> TallTed: has a proposal
14:25:04 <bblfish> ( or was that someone else ? )
14:26:39 <bblfish> TallTed: can you write your proposal down?
14:27:08 <JohnArwe> tallted: suggest changing current ref @ end of 6.2 to include 1st paragraph from current appendix A, then move the rest into BP&G and change the existing link in 6.2
14:27:14 <bblfish> Arnaud: it seems we have 2 proposals. Either we leave things as they are. Or we move the apendix to the BP doc
14:30:02 <bblfish> Arnaud: we keep it in the spec, no changes
14:30:04 <TallTed> +1 status quo
14:30:27 <bblfish> resolved nothing to do
14:31:47 <bblfish> discussion on last call
14:33:07 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish ldp-paging as Last Call WD at earliest convenience, assuming changed agreed upon in today's meeting, and everyone getting 24 hrs (business day) to review said changes.
14:33:15 <bblfish> q+
14:33:24 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:34:42 <sandro> +1
14:34:54 <JohnArwe> +1
14:34:55 <deiu> +1
14:34:58 <TallTed> +1
14:35:07 <betehess> +0
14:35:08 <bblfish> well just wanted to know if I could implement it before we push it to last call
14:35:29 <bblfish> resolved
14:35:36 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Publish ldp-paging as Last Call WD at earliest convenience, assuming changed agreed upon in today's meeting, and everyone getting 24 hrs (business day) to review said changes.
14:35:57 <bblfish> Topic: ld-patch
14:36:00 <deiu> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html