16:50:06 RRSAgent has joined #ua 16:50:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-irc 16:50:08 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:50:08 Zakim has joined #ua 16:50:10 Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG 16:50:10 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 16:50:11 Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 16:50:11 Date: 31 July 2014 16:54:13 Agenda+ Kim's proposal for action-1006 16:54:15 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014JulSep/0030.html 16:54:16 agenda+ CA06 16:54:18 Agenda+ Finishing up open items: 16:54:19 MS07 - more relevance for non-desktop users - waiting on action-983 to get language from IndieUI about alternative language for keyboard interface 16:54:21 MS04 - Delineate between content and browser - Waiting on action 976 to review definition of rendered content. Check 3.2.2 and 3.2.3 for relevance to this comment 16:54:22 MS05 [Implementing] - Done in UAAG, but there are some followup in Implementing on other success criteria examples to review for consistency. 16:54:24 EO13 - change title of Implementing UAAG to Understanding UAAG EO15, EO16, EO20 - add a link to the EO intro page to the Abstract and rewrite the Abstract 16:54:25 EO21 - [Implementing] rewrite 1.8.2 Example 2 SB04, SB05 [Implementing] Done in UAAG, but Implementing still needs an example update 16:54:27 LG02 - [Implementing] prevent minify CSS waiting on action-987 for 1.7.4 16:57:27 regrets: Jim, Eric 16:59:43 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 16:59:50 +[Microsoft] 16:59:52 -[Microsoft] 16:59:53 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 16:59:53 Attendees were [Microsoft] 17:00:20 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 17:00:26 +Jeanne 17:00:39 +[Microsoft] 17:03:27 Greg has joined #ua 17:04:03 +Greg_Lowney 17:05:53 zakim, agenda? 17:05:53 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 17:05:54 1. Kim's proposal for action-1006 [from kford] 17:05:54 2. CA06 [from kford] 17:05:54 3. Finishing up open items: [from kford] 17:11:13 Group talking about what they can ask for and not. JS and GL saying not possible to ask for more than the accessibility API gives. 17:14:26 Jan has joined #ua 17:14:51 zakim, code? 17:14:51 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan 17:15:03 zakim, take up item 2 17:15:03 agendum 2. "CA06" taken up [from kford] 17:15:07 +[IPcaller] 17:15:20 Proposed response : UAWG agrees on this very important principle and have worked this into all appropriate parts of UAAG. However, the user agent can only ask for name, role, state, value, selection, and focus from the Accessibility API. "Meaning" can be inferred from the name, but there is no accessibility API attribute for "meaning". Otherwise, this is exactly what is intended with 4.1.2 17:15:26 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 17:15:26 +Jan; got it 17:17:38 UAWG agrees on this very important principle and has worked this into all appropriate parts of UAAG. However, the user agent can only ask for existing attributes such as name, role, state, value, selection, and focus from the Accessibility API. "Meaning" can be inferred from the name, but there is no accessibility API attribute for "meaning". Otherwise, this is exactly what is intended with 4.1.2 17:20:25 rrsagent, make minutes 17:20:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-minutes.html kford 17:21:02 JR: +1 17:21:19 +1 17:21:20 RESOLUTION: Accept the response for CA06: UAWG agrees on this very important principle and has worked this into all appropriate parts of UAAG. However, the user agent can only ask for existing attributes such as name, role, state, value, selection, and focus from the Accessibility API. "Meaning" can be inferred from the name, but there is no accessibility API attribute for "meaning". Otherwise, 17:21:20 this is exactly what is intended with 4.1.2 17:22:08 rrsagent, makie minutes 17:22:08 I'm logging. I don't understand 'makie minutes', kford. Try /msg RRSAgent help 17:22:19 rrsagent, make minutes 17:22:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-minutes.html kford 17:23:44 zakim, take up item 1 17:23:44 agendum 1. "Kim's proposal for action-1006" taken up [from kford] 17:26:05 JR and GL talking about proposal. 17:26:27 JR: Has started toahve too many extra requirements. 17:28:19 KimPatch has joined #ua 17:28:27 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/142893?hl=en 17:28:52 Here's the page on Firefox's auto-fill feature: Control whether Firefox automatically fills in forms with your information | Firefox Help 17:28:53 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/control-firefox-automatically-fills-in-forms 17:29:43 +Kim_Patch 17:32:17 Group talking about what gets saved on a form. 17:34:07 It seems as if Firefox is only auto-filling in fields when you return to the same form, but that Chrome may be being more aggressive and auto-filling fields in new forms the first time you view them (and thus gives a warning about only using it on forms you trust, for fear of hidden fields being used to capture your information). 17:38:29 Firefox has some of the sub-requirements that Kim suggested: you can delete entries, reset the history, and prevent caching. You cannot cause it to automatically clear entries after a period of time, for example. 17:38:30 http://webaim.org/techniques/forms/controls 17:43:39 It appears that Firefox caches text I've entered into an input control only when I've submitted the form. Also note that it never auto-fills, but rather gives me the option on a per-control basis: click on it to get a list of previous values. 17:45:33 Jeanne is correct that Firefox does not cache TEXTAREA contents, only INPUT text fields. 17:51:39 Greg: I think we need to separate out the saving of the form from the caching of the form 17:51:59 Jan: I think we should have a low bar and not include recovery from a browser crash 17:53:13 kelly: I think this should be AAA, especially when considering the mobile space. Mobile is a more transitory because it is hard to complete forms on mobile. 17:53:41 Jan: In my Android Chrome, if I fill in a form and come back to the page, my data is still there. 17:54:20 Greg and Kelly: navigate away and close it, and then see if the data is still there. 17:54:36 Kelly: If a browser crashes, the likelihood of data being saved is low. 17:57:02 http://androidwidgetcenter.com/android-tips/how-to-enable-autofill-in-android-browser/ 17:58:28 So this implements simpler autofill req http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014JulSep/0024.html 18:05:13 -[Microsoft] 18:07:01 action: Jan to draft a new proposal for action-1006 CA05 18:07:01 Created ACTION-1009 - Draft a new proposal for action-1006 ca05 [on Jan Richards - due 2014-08-07]. 18:09:19 3) Finishing up open items: 18:09:19 MS07 - more relevance for non-desktop users - waiting on action-983 to get language from IndieUI about alternative language for keyboard interface 18:09:19 MS04 - Delineate between content and browser - Waiting on action 976 to review definition of rendered content. Check 3.2.2 and 3.2.3 for relevance to this comment 18:09:19 MS05 [Implementing] - Done in UAAG, but there are some followup in Implementing on other success criteria examples to review for consistency. 18:09:19 EO13 - change title of Implementing UAAG to Understanding UAAG 18:09:19 EO15, EO16, EO20 - add a link to the EO intro page to the Abstract and rewrite the Abstract 18:09:20 EO21 - [Implementing] rewrite 1.8.2 Example 2 18:09:20 SB04, SB05 [Implementing] Done in UAAG, but Implementing still needs an example update 18:09:20 LG02 - [Implementing] prevent minify CSS waiting on action-987 for 1.7.4 18:13:57 action: Kim to rewrite 1.8.2 Example 2 from EO21 18:13:57 Created ACTION-1010 - Rewrite 1.8.2 example 2 from eo21 [on Kimberly Patch - due 2014-08-07]. 18:15:15 action: Greg to adjust Examples associated with changes to SC from SB04 and SB05 18:15:15 Created ACTION-1011 - Adjust examples associated with changes to sc from sb04 and sb05 [on Greg Lowney - due 2014-08-07]. 18:20:09 -Jan 18:20:40 -Kim_Patch 18:20:41 -Greg_Lowney 18:20:42 -Jeanne 18:20:44 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 18:20:44 Attendees were Jeanne, [Microsoft], Greg_Lowney, Jan, Kim_Patch 18:23:56 zakim, bye 18:23:56 Zakim has left #ua 18:24:04 rrsagent, make minutes 18:24:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-minutes.html jeanne 18:24:43 chair: kelly 18:24:52 present- [Microsoft] 18:25:00 present+ kelly 18:25:26 rrsagent, make minutes 18:25:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-minutes.html jeanne 18:25:54 rrsagent, bye 18:25:54 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-actions.rdf : 18:25:54 ACTION: Jan to draft a new proposal for action-1006 CA05 [1] 18:25:54 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-irc#T18-07-01 18:25:54 ACTION: Kim to rewrite 1.8.2 Example 2 from EO21 [2] 18:25:54 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-irc#T18-13-57 18:25:54 ACTION: Greg to adjust Examples associated with changes to SC from SB04 and SB05 [3] 18:25:54 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ua-irc#T18-15-15