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<daveL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0028.html
<daveL> scribe: tflati
<fsasaki> action-11?
<trackbot> action-11 -- David Lewis to Gather info on how to provide more detailed mapping from meta-share to dcat -- due 2014-07-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/11
<daveL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0033.html
<daveL> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#vocabulary-overview
<tflati_> Dave: there are still 3 points left to discuss from the META-SHARE metamodel
<daveL> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/DCAT_MetaShare_Mapping#Make_LanguageResource_a_DCAT_Dataset
<jgracia> dave: dataset corresponds closely with language resource
<tflati_> dave: some of some metashare properties could be replaced by some dcat properties
<tflati_> geographic coverage, time coverage, etc. they all have a corresponding property
<tflati_> penny: about making the language resource
<jgracia> penny: ms already have a distribution module
<tflati_> penny: for example the download URL, etc.
<tflati_> dave: how deep should the separation be made? Are you trying to encourage more than just separation?
<tflati_> penny: at the conceptual level, i think that usually there are different forms with different licenses
<jgracia> penny: frequently diferent distributions in MS are simply same resource under different licensees
<tflati_> victor: but they should both allow for distribution
<tflati_> penny: at least now there is a mix up with dublin core etc.
<tflati_> dave: we covered both the two points about DCAT
<Tcarrasco> Data access: record vs. database - URI local vs. remote (file and http schemes)
<tflati_> penny: i never used SKOS concepts, but I have it like for any classification schema
<tflati_> not sure how SKOS deals with different dimensions of classification
<tflati_> we had also a discussion with Marta about subclasses of Corpus and there is no consensus about lexicon or other things, depending several criteria
<tflati_> the linguality dimension (mono-, bi-, multi-lingual)
<tflati_> the media type of Corpus (audio, text, etc.)
<tflati_> one could end up with different taxonomies depending on the used criteria
<Tcarrasco> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0024.html
<tflati_> dave: there is not a good model of what a schema should be. Hard to say in a definitive way what is a subclass of what.
<tflati_> roberto: when we encoded babelnet, we had the issue to see various options. For us SKOS is okay, up to a certain extent
<tflati_> if you're interested in just a taxonomy SKOS is okay
<tflati_> otherwise if you want better relations, SKOS might be limited
<tflati_> we just decided to reduce the granularity of the relations
<tflati_> we kept the narrower and broader properties for the taxonomic aspect
<tflati_> and related for all other properties
<tflati_> jgracia: I think that META-SHARE does not need more expressive properties than those
<tflati_> Roberto: in this way we also limit variability
<tflati_> penny: SKOS should be okay
<tflati_> dave: moving this forward, do we want to separate
<tflati_> penny: text type, genre, video type would be perfect for the SKOS schema, we could add to them
<tflati_> dave: yes, i agree. it is part of the issue. There is an involving consensus for the definition of the core
<fsasaki> ACTION: penny to capture list of parameters that may be relevant for a skos classification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ld4lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Capture list of parameters that may be relevant for a skos classification [on Penny Labropoulou - due 2014-08-07].
<tflati_> jgracia: the added value of using SKOS rather than OWL?
<tflati_> dave: you can use both
<tflati_> sometimes one is not sure whether something is strictly a subclass of what
<daveL> ACTION: pennyl to identify which properties and classes could move to a skos-based conceptual schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-ld4lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Error finding 'pennyl'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/users>.
<tflati_> jorge: narrower could be interpreted in a more loose sense, without being that strict
<jgracia> so more flexibility in SKOS not commiting to OWL semantics
<tflati_> thomas: the access of a record vs. the whole database
<tflati_> and also the aspect of the access to the schema
<tflati_> these two aspects have to be considered, also
<tflati_> dave: this should be included in the distribution module
<tflati_> because it depends on the media type you are using
<tflati_> for example if you have a TM you could use a fragment identifier to make the work easily
<tflati_> thomas: if data can be downloaded, the distribution aspect breaks up because from the application point of view everything is a URI
<tflati_> penny: this also connects to waht i was discussing with Marta: language resource taxonomy
<tflati_> the 4 classes of Corpus
<tflati_> and also a second dimension: the media of resource types
<tflati_> to MS these are not really subclasses, rather they are parts of a corpus
<tflati_> that is the reason we called text corpus
<tflati_> the idea is that you try to put information that describes better the dimension of the corpus into a text file
<tflati_> we might add another class, multilingualcorpus
<tflati_> the relation subclass should be ispartof, actually
<tflati_> should be "contains"
<tflati_> dave: in DCAT you have a Dataset which can have multiple distributions
<Tcarrasco> We should use the Media Types terminology http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml
<tflati_> a dataset if a collection of one or more resources
<tflati_> we might need to use "contains" or "collection"
<tflati_> of the dcterms collection
<tflati_> for container of different resources
<tflati_> marta: it was not my fault to introduce these classes
<tflati_> the parts should not be seen as collection, but just as a model of having different media types
<tflati_> not different files
<Tcarrasco> Multilingual Dataset Format (muset) - http://dragoman.org/muset
<tflati_> the corpus is something, how you physically store it is another thing
<tflati_> this has nothing to do with the implementation/format of your dataset
<tflati_> dave: terminology is important, one could easily misunderstanf
<tflati_> thomas: we should use the existing media type terminology
<tflati_> for example text would be "plain"
<tflati_> otherwise we have to reinvent it
<chriLi> I have to leave ...
<tflati_> we should build on top of IANA
<tflati_> penny: text is "text", not "plain"
<tflati_> in the upper level
<Tcarrasco> according to http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtm is "plain text" called "plain" -
<Tcarrasco> "text" is a whole category - http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml#text
<tflati_> I have problems in my internet connection, could you scribe at my place for the next few moments, please?
<daveL> marta: describes strategy on mapping elements of original meta-share schema into RDF
<Tcarrasco> in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5147 is called "text/plain"
<daveL> .. in response to vistors question on whther to include 'flat' license attributes in current model, or structure these in ODRL
<daveL> jorge: this is slightly different from victors questions, since ODRL can represent rules that cannot be represented from the current properties
<daveL> marta: asks difference between cc model and odrl
<tflati_> I am back, thanks dave
<daveL> victor: odrl is more expressive and extensible
<daveL> scribe: tflati
<tflati_> victor: maybe not complete, but extensible and flexible for sure
<jgracia> you have a nice example of ODRL & MS here https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Licensing_information
<tflati_> victor: the same resource could have different permissions, depending on the distribution media
<tflati_> jorge: as for me it is complicated to represent this in ODRL (but only for the machine) and can be done only once
<tflati_> victor: i completely agree
<jgracia> but with content negotiation you can reach the simple readable information for humans
<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0034.html
<tflati_> dave: just one issue: thanks Tiziano and Roberto for the report on the META-SHARE through the group
<fsasaki> adjourned
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