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14:34:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:34:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 34 minutes ago
14:34:07 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:34:07 <trackbot> Date: 31 July 2014
14:34:16 <janina> agenda?
14:34:22 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:34:22 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:34:22 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:34:25 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc [See Below]
14:34:27 <janina> agenda+ Using WAI-ARIA in HTML
14:34:30 <janina> agenda+ Media Subteam
14:34:32 <janina> agenda+ HTML 5.1 Next Steps [See Below]
14:34:35 <janina> agenda+ Picture Element Alt http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content.html#an-image-in-a-picture-element
14:34:38 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:34:40 <janina> agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:34:43 <janina> agenda+ be done
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14:48:11 <janina>  zakim, ??P3 is me
14:48:11 <Zakim> +janina; got it
14:48:21 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
14:48:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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14:58:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:58:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago
14:58:27 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:58:27 <trackbot> Date: 31 July 2014
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15:01:19 <aardrian> zakim, who is here?
15:01:19 <Zakim> I notice WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has restarted
15:01:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Judy, [Microsoft], Sam, Adrian_Roselli, MarkS
15:01:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see aardrian, rubys, paulc, Zakim, RRSAgent, newtron, janina, MarkS, sivoais, hober, cabanier, trackbot
15:04:06 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:04:15 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:04:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Longdesc" taken up [from See Below]
15:05:03 <MarkS> JS: Did our best to respond to ted oconnor.  I think it was a good one.  We issued a decision.
15:05:20 <MarkS> ...conversation continued in the thread, with additional questions, but no one objected
15:05:36 <MarkS> ...PF also had a lot of support
15:05:42 <MarkS> ...HTML CfC closes tomorrow
15:06:07 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:06:15 <MarkS> ...need to coordinate on next steps.  Would like to know how long the CR should be
15:06:54 <MarkS> ...per Plan 2014, HTML will be moving forward on schedule (soon).  would like to mesh well with that spec.
15:07:08 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:07:38 <MarkS> ...would like to capitalize on all the promotion that will be going on for HTML and make sure we can say it's accessible.
15:07:54 <MarkS> ...We think end of october should be a good target date for longdesc
15:08:35 <MarkS> ...every CfC takes two weeks for us on this.  We don't have much wiggle room.  In order to get through CR, transition meetings, etc we need minimal length CR
15:09:00 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
15:09:01 <MarkS> JB: we have an extra lap in the process for each transition, because the CfCs have to be done in the TF and the parent groups
15:09:43 <MarkS> JS: the main discussion for us today is to commit to a timeline.
15:10:19 <MarkS> ...we have all the evidence we need for a zero CR, but since its been so long since LCWD, we should have a non-zero CR period
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15:10:28 <paulc> The candidate CR document is dated June 20 and states "This Candidate Recommendation is expected to advance to Proposed Recommendation no earlier than 07 August 2014." which seems to imply at least a one month CR period.
15:10:46 <MarkS> ...we have a table that shows the requirements and how they are being satisfied (test results)
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15:11:31 <janina> https://rawgit.com/chaals/longdesc-tests/master/test-results.html
15:11:49 <MarkS> PC: originally agreed to a 1 month CR. is that what we are looking at shrinking?
15:11:52 <MarkS> JS: yes
15:12:39 <MarkS> JB: director is aware we would like to move this quickly, so I think we can aim for 1st week of august for the CR transistion
15:12:47 <MarkS> s/transistion/transition
15:13:37 <MarkS> ...our timeline was compressed as soon as we found out HTML was moving earlier.
15:13:53 <MarkS> PC: my recommendation is that the transition request have everything that is needed to get out of CR included.
15:14:19 <MarkS> ...it will help justify the speedy timeline.
15:15:10 <MarkS> ...are you comfortable with having a CR period of less than 1 month, and how much less?
15:15:22 <janina> https://rawgit.com/chaals/longdesc-tests/master/test-results.html
15:15:49 <MarkS> JB: we have a nice evidence.  People should look at that to see if there is anything missing from this.  Is this satisfactory to exit CR?
15:16:08 <MarkS> JS: Is there anyone concerned about shortening the CR period for longdesc?
15:16:25 <MarkS> [no response]
15:16:31 <janina> q?
15:16:41 <MarkS> JB: encourage people to look at test results.
15:16:56 <MarkS> PC: the large number of fails should warrant some sort of summary.
15:18:12 <MarkS> JB: everything I can look at, indicates that there is at least 2 passes.  There are some questions though, so it should be cleaned up and summarized.
15:18:38 <MarkS> ...should tweak the table format as well
15:18:45 <MarkS> ...to make it clear
15:18:56 <MarkS> +1
15:19:23 <MarkS> JS: We need a report that demonstrates that we meet the exit criteria.  this was scoped more widely than that
15:19:42 <JF> +1 to Janina's comment (re: scope)
15:19:48 <MarkS> JB: I will work with Liam to clarify what is necessary, and what is not
15:20:49 <MarkS> ...i would like to check the directors schedule to see if we can aim for a tuesday publication. if not, hopefully thursday
15:21:10 <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jul/0047.html
15:21:14 <MarkS> PC: HTML CfC closes on Friday.
15:21:19 <rubys> "If there are no objections by Fri Aug 1"
15:22:24 <Zakim> -Judy
15:22:36 <MarkS> PC: advise that the Transition request be started ASAP
15:23:44 <Zakim> +Judy
15:23:57 <MarkS> SR: who is going to do the transition request?
15:24:27 <MarkS> PC: i was gently suggesting you
15:24:39 <MarkS> SR: I will have a draft with lots of blanks to fill in tomorrow
15:26:20 <MarkS> JS: we have a plan if HTML CfC goes well.
15:26:36 <MarkS> ...we will create the report that satisfies EC
15:26:45 <MarkS> ...this will put us on a good timeline to reach TR around the same time as HTML5
15:26:56 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:26:56 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Using WAI-ARIA in HTML" taken up [from janina]
15:27:22 <MarkS> JS: Haven't heard from Steve or Robin. Not sure what our next step is
15:27:37 <MarkS> DM: Steve indicated he wanted to leave it open for changes
15:27:46 <MarkS> PC: not consistent with CfC to publish as a note
15:28:06 <MarkS> JB: need to discuss with steve.  this is not an option.
15:28:36 <MarkS> ...since its a note, it can be updated in the future, there is a process for that.
15:29:23 <MarkS> JS: if there were significant changes, the CfC's may be invalidated.
15:29:37 <MarkS> DM: most of the recent work has been mostly editorial
15:30:59 <MarkS> zakim, agenda?
15:30:59 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
15:31:00 <Zakim> 3. Using WAI-ARIA in HTML [from janina]
15:31:00 <Zakim> 4. Media Subteam [from janina]
15:31:00 <Zakim> 5. HTML 5.1 Next Steps [from See Below via janina]
15:31:00 <Zakim> 6. Picture Element Alt http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content.html#an-image-in-a-picture-element [from janina]
15:31:01 <Zakim> 7. Other Business [from janina]
15:31:01 <Zakim> 8. Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:31:01 <Zakim> 9. be done [from janina]
15:31:31 <Zakim> +Judy.a
15:31:32 <Zakim> -Judy
15:32:06 <rubys> s/Using WAI-ARIA in HTML/Techniques for providing useful text alternatives
15:33:43 <MarkS> PC: there are two formal objections on HTML5 regarding this document because it was on rec track, but I think we can clear those when this gets published as a note
15:34:43 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:34:43 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Media Subteam" taken up [from janina]
15:35:23 <MarkS> JS: Media A11y User Req is ready this week, but there is a geek week moratorium.  It should be good to go for next week.
15:35:38 <MarkS> zakim, close item 4
15:35:38 <Zakim> agendum 4, Media Subteam, closed
15:35:39 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:35:39 <Zakim> 5. HTML 5.1 Next Steps [from See Below via janina]
15:35:40 <MarkS> zakim, close item 4
15:35:40 <Zakim> agendum 4, Media Subteam, closed
15:35:41 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:35:41 <Zakim> 5. HTML 5.1 Next Steps [from See Below via janina]
15:36:18 <MarkS> JS: there are a number of people presenting in August.  June and July's presenters should be closed out.
15:36:36 <MarkS> ...I think chaals is back in August. he has a few presentations.
15:36:40 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:36:40 <Zakim> agendum 5. "HTML 5.1 Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]
15:36:48 <MarkS> zakim, close item 5
15:36:48 <Zakim> agendum 5, HTML 5.1 Next Steps, closed
15:36:50 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:36:50 <Zakim> 6. Picture Element Alt http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content.html#an-image-in-a-picture-element [from janina]
15:36:50 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:36:51 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Picture Element Alt http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content.html#an-image-in-a-picture-element" taken up [from janina]
15:37:09 <JF> Q+
15:37:17 <MarkS> JS: Steve has given us proposed spec language, relevant to the picture element.  there hasn't been much discussion.
15:37:19 <janina> ack jf
15:37:50 <MarkS> JF: i noticed that there are two competing ways for specifying multiple assets.  picture element and srcset
15:37:57 <paulc> q+
15:38:08 <MarkS> ...from an a11y perspective, is the guidance that steve has here the same or is there now a conflict.
15:38:23 <paulc> Both srcset and <picture> are in HTML 5.1 and they form an integrated solution today.
15:38:32 <janina> ack p
15:38:36 <MarkS> ack pa
15:39:25 <MarkS> PC: that is no longer true.  they have both been integrated into 5.1 in an integrated way.  Someone in the TF needs to do due diligence and verify that this work is accessible.
15:39:43 <MarkS> JS: doesn't seem hard to do, we just need to do it.
15:40:16 <MarkS> JF: I'm busy, but i would dlike to take a look
15:40:21 <MarkS> MS: I can help with that.
15:40:47 <MarkS> JF: MarkS, lets coordinate on this and aim for a couple weeks out.  Maybe mark and I can do a report 2nd or 3rd week of august
15:41:10 <MarkS> ACTION: MarkS and JF to present on picture element and srcset for a11y concerns
15:41:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-278 - And jf to present on picture element and srcset for a11y concerns [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-08-07].
15:41:37 <MarkS> PC: the decision has already passed in HTML, FYI
15:41:57 <MarkS> JB: curious how much PF has looked at it.
15:42:36 <MarkS> JS: I think we brought it up a number of times but saw no issues.
15:42:55 <MarkS> ...now that we had that email from steve, it has prompted us to consider it again.
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15:43:25 <MarkS> JF: just talked to steve.  he is on vacation but is willing to have a call with Janina regarding alt.
15:43:37 <MarkS> JS: in an hour then.
15:44:11 <Judy> agenda?
15:44:16 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:44:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:44:24 <janina> q?
15:44:36 <MarkS> zakim, close item 7
15:44:36 <Zakim> agendum 7, Other Business, closed
15:44:37 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:44:37 <Zakim> 8. Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:44:39 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:44:39 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:44:54 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:45:29 <Zakim> -MarkS
15:45:31 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:45:33 <Zakim> -Adrian_Roselli
15:45:34 <Zakim> -Judy.a
15:45:34 <Zakim> -janina
15:45:36 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:45:40 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:45:51 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:45:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
15:46:18 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:46:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam
15:46:25 <MarkS> zakim, drop Sam
15:46:25 <Zakim> Sam is being disconnected
15:46:27 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:46:27 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, Judy, [Microsoft], Sam, Adrian_Roselli, MarkS, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, John_Foliot
15:46:36 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:46:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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