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18:58:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
18:58:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
18:58:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
18:58:22 <trackbot> Date: 29 July 2014
18:59:11 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
18:59:17 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
18:59:33 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:59:33 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
18:59:39 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:59:39 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:59:46 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:59:57 <clown> agenda: this
19:00:05 <clown> agenda+ News: First version of SVG2 and HTML mapping guides now on github.
19:00:20 <clown> agenda+ News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate invalid inputs.
19:00:31 <clown> agenda+ News: ISSUE-649: (All) Aria property to indicate that widget starts media
19:00:42 <clown> agneda+ ACTION-1457: (Cynthia) Ask Michael to create 1.1. test harness (move date).
19:00:53 <clown> agenda+ Processing issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23.
19:00:59 <clown> agenda+ be done
19:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:03:24 <clown> agenda 4 = ACTION-1457: (Cynthia) Ask Michael to create 1.1. test harness (move date).
19:03:42 <clown> agenda 5 = Processing issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
19:04:11 <clown> agenda+ be done
19:04:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:08:11 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa
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19:11:36 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa
19:11:36 <Zakim> sorry, bgaraventa1979, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
19:12:06 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
19:12:06 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
19:12:08 <Zakim> +David_Bolter
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19:13:25 <clown> scribenick:  bgaraventa1979
19:14:23 <bgaraventa1979> take up next agendum
19:14:31 <clown> topic?
19:14:37 <clown> zakim, topic?
19:14:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, clown.
19:14:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:15:13 <bgaraventa1979> next agendum
19:15:21 <clown> zakim, topic?
19:15:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, clown.
19:15:27 <clown> topic?
19:15:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:15:54 <clown> zakim, next agenda
19:15:54 <Zakim> agendum 2. "News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate invalid inputs." taken up [from clown]
19:16:06 <clown> zakim, take up agendum 1
19:16:06 <Zakim> agendum 1. "News: First version of SVG2 and HTML mapping guides now on github." taken up [from clown]
19:16:49 <bgaraventa1979> js Rich has uploaded the first mapping guide to github
19:16:51 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html
19:17:24 <davidb> Zakim, aaa is David_Bolter
19:17:24 <Zakim> sorry, davidb, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
19:17:31 <davidb> Zakim, who is on the call?
19:17:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter
19:17:32 <clown> s/js Rich/JS: Rich/
19:18:00 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table
19:18:14 <bgaraventa1979> JS: doc has the same structure and contents as the core mapping guide, but role mapping it lists the SVG elements
19:18:38 <bgaraventa1979> JS: it has links back to the core
19:18:41 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table#role-map-a
19:20:10 <bgaraventa1979> DB: link goes back to the start of the doc in Safari
19:20:35 <bgaraventa1979> JS: Link does the same thing in FF
19:20:49 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#role-map-a
19:21:19 <bgaraventa1979> JS: open the first entery and it has a link that points back to the core
19:22:34 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, take up next agendum
19:22:34 <Zakim> agendum 2. "News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate invalid inputs." taken up [from clown]
19:22:42 <clown> issue-651?
19:22:42 <trackbot> issue-651 -- Allow aria-invalid to specify more types of errors including custom errors -- raised
19:22:42 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651
19:23:04 <bgaraventa1979> JS: James N said aria-invalid needs more information for custom errors
19:23:36 <clown> issue-669?
19:23:37 <trackbot> issue-669 -- Need ability to differentiate and reference error messages on invalid form elements -- raised
19:23:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/669
19:24:15 <davidb> s/doc in Safari/doc in FF and Safari
19:24:16 <bgaraventa1979> JS: Rich wants to use role=anotation
19:24:55 <bgaraventa1979> JS: from group discusssion yesterday, anotation isn't the same thing as an error
19:25:08 <bgaraventa1979> JS: such as a note
19:25:29 <bgaraventa1979> JS: then errors will be treated the same as notes
19:26:12 <bgaraventa1979> JS: I didn't get the impression that everybody agreed on note
19:26:42 <bgaraventa1979> JS: we left it open for more research, James N is going to look into patterns, Rich will do the same for IBM
19:27:01 <bgaraventa1979> JS: Others will do the same for feedback
19:27:18 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
19:28:47 <bgaraventa1979> JS: I looked into the mapping guide, and pointed out that we already have a default value for invalid, such as aria-invalid="it's Matt's fault" and it maps correctly in the accessibility tree, verified in Safari
19:29:21 <bgaraventa1979> JS: you could use this mapping technique to add custom values, but there is a lot of resistance
19:29:25 <clown> issue-671?
19:29:25 <trackbot> issue-671 -- UAIG should expose aria-invalid as token values (as defined per spec), not strings. -- raised
19:29:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
19:29:45 <clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
19:29:53 <bgaraventa1979> JS: so James Craig raised the relevant issue
19:30:37 <bgaraventa1979> JS: I proposed for UIA, instead of exposing the unknown value, map it to false
19:31:25 <bgaraventa1979> JS: for Iaccessible2 and ATK, change to invalid:true as the text attribute
19:32:28 <bgaraventa1979> JS: and for AXAPI: set axinvalid to true
19:33:03 <bgaraventa1979> JS: so I posed the question, what are those text attributes
19:33:13 <bgaraventa1979> DB: I agree with Marco
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19:33:51 <bgaraventa1979> JS: Will wait on JD for more input
19:35:13 <bgaraventa1979> JS: anything further?
19:35:35 <clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
19:35:53 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
19:38:55 <bgaraventa1979> RS: so what would you do with aria-invalid on a slect?
19:39:11 <clown> <select aria-invalid="true" ...>
19:39:23 <bgaraventa1979> DB: not sure
19:39:43 <bgaraventa1979> RS: we need to figure out what is done because there is no text attribute
19:41:00 <bgaraventa1979> RS: I can understand it for some fields that support the attribute, but not on those that don't support a text attribute
19:43:09 <bgaraventa1979> BG: is aria-invalid acceptable as being inheritable?
19:43:33 <bgaraventa1979> JS: no
19:43:56 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
19:44:12 <bgaraventa1979> RS: will file an issue against aria-invalid and mapping to widgets
19:46:20 <bgaraventa1979> JS: invalid is a state, not an object
19:46:24 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
19:46:47 <clown> Set IA2_STATE_INVALID_ENTRY
19:47:23 <clown> Expose the value as a text attribute
19:48:00 <bgaraventa1979> JS: you set the state, and expose it as a text attribute
19:49:20 <bgaraventa1979> JS: changes in spec are pending David's investigation
19:49:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> action: david Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets
19:49:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1492 - Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets [on David Bolter - due 2014-08-05].
19:51:53 <bgaraventa1979> JS: before we move on, I will not be here for the next two weeks
19:53:03 <bgaraventa1979> JS: the 5th and 12th specifically, back for the 19th
19:53:51 <bgaraventa1979> JS: do you want to pospone meetings?
19:54:27 <bgaraventa1979> DB: that sounds good to wait till the 19th
19:57:14 <clown> Topic:  SVG accessibility
19:57:20 <bgaraventa1979> DB: genrally discussing SVG mappings
19:58:29 <bgaraventa1979> RS: we need to work on the name computation, plus on other aspects further
20:00:45 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
20:02:55 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
20:02:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:03:28 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minues', clown.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
20:03:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:04:17 <clown> zakim, please part
20:04:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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20:04:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:04:43 <clown> regrets: Cynthia_Shelley
20:04:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:12:44 <clown> wai-xtech@w3.org
20:18:19 <bgaraventa1979> RRSAgent, please part
20:18:19 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-actions.rdf :
20:18:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: david Investigate issue 671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets [1]
20:18:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-irc#T19-49-26