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13:59:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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13:59:49 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2014
13:59:55 <Zakim> +jdsmith
14:00:04 <Zakim> +Plh
14:00:53 <Zakim> +??P10
14:01:01 <nigel> zakim, ??P10 is me
14:01:01 <Zakim> +nigel; got it
14:01:37 <nigel> Present: plh, jdsmith, nigel
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14:01:51 <nigel> chair: nigel
14:02:34 <Zakim> +Andreas
14:02:46 <nigel> Present+ Andreas
14:03:12 <nigel> Regrets: pal, glenn
14:03:40 <nigel> scribeNick: plh
14:03:59 <plh> NIgel: activities on issues since last meeting
14:04:08 <plh> Topic: Prioritise discussion for this meeting
14:04:31 <plh> Nigel: let's cover IMSC and issues for tday
14:04:50 <plh> ... no AOB today
14:04:55 <plh> Topic: IMSC 1 timeline
14:05:12 <plh> NigeL: send email on Friday and didn't see responses
14:05:18 <plh> ... I'll take that as approval
14:05:35 <plh> ... this was generated with Pierre btw
14:05:49 <plh> ... idea is: all issues need to be raised by September 5th
14:06:21 <plh> ... it's possible that we'll identify some cases where an issue might fit better in IMSC during the f2f
14:06:36 <plh> ... so I've left a little window for the f2f
14:06:58 <plh> ... then Pierre will be able to create a draft for review  by October 15
14:07:12 <plh> ... so we'll have resolved issues or defer them
14:07:33 <plh> ... I'll send a liaison to key orgs about the timeline
14:07:40 <plh> ... feedback?
14:07:53 <plh> plh: +1
14:08:15 <plh> RESOLUTION: IMSC timeline is approved
14:08:33 <plh> Nigel: second part of the IMSC issues
14:08:49 <plh> ... in upcoming meetings, I'd like to address them
14:09:08 <plh> ... proposal is to have 2 hours meetings on July 31, August 14
14:09:34 <plh> ... might skip August 28
14:09:53 <plh> Jerry: is that to cover IMSC topics, or make progress on TTML issues?
14:10:07 <plh> Nigel: I try to cover issues regardless of products
14:10:34 <plh> Jerry: those dates would work for me
14:10:59 <plh> Nigel: for August 28, anybody volunteering to chair?
14:11:35 <plh> RESOLUTION: 2 hours meeting on July 31, August 14, and no meeting on August 28
14:11:56 <plh> Topic: Action items
14:12:19 <plh> isue-259?
14:12:24 <plh> issue-259?
14:12:24 <trackbot> issue-259 -- Define "closest" -- pending review
14:12:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259
14:12:38 <plh> Nigel: seems that people are happy with those actions
14:12:47 <plh> action-207?
14:12:47 <trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:12:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207
14:13:03 <plh> action-258?
14:13:03 <trackbot> action-258 -- Glenn Adams to Work with pal to resolve edits needed for issue-259 comments -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:13:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/258
14:13:32 <plh> Nigel: that works for me and Pierre and Glenn. any objection to move on?
14:13:42 <plh> close action-207
14:13:42 <trackbot> Closed action-207.
14:13:44 <plh> close action-258
14:13:44 <trackbot> Closed action-258.
14:13:52 <plh> close issue-259
14:13:52 <trackbot> Closed issue-259.
14:14:07 <plh> action-306?
14:14:07 <trackbot> action-306 -- Jerry Smith to Assign priorities to change proposals owned by jdsmith -- due 2014-07-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:14:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/306
14:14:20 <plh> Nigel: some conversation about this.
14:14:25 <plh> ... this was on a change proposal
14:14:42 <plh> ... since we agreed to prioritize them
14:14:47 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex
14:15:09 <plh> Nigel: we have priorities in the table now
14:15:55 <plh> ... change proposal 2 is marked as no action needed
14:16:00 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002
14:16:03 <plh> ... but can we close the change proposal?
14:16:15 <plh> Jerry: I think it's been implemented. want to check it's complete
14:16:19 <plh> ... I'll update the status
14:16:31 <plh> ... I'll do it today
14:16:55 <plh> Nigel: ok, we'll close the proposal after you're done with your action.
14:17:38 <plh> Jerry: I'll update the table after the meeting
14:17:52 <plh> Topic: action overdue or due next week
14:18:44 <plh> Nigel: I followed up with David on the geneva f2f meeting
14:18:55 <plh> ... and he is still working on it
14:19:05 <plh> ... at the moment, we only have one vtt expect who responded
14:19:13 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TTWG_Geneva_F2F_Planning/
14:19:44 <plh> Nigel: deadline is August 15
14:20:33 <plh> Topic: Issues pending review, discussed and raised over the past week
14:20:40 <plh> issue-263?
14:20:40 <trackbot> issue-263 -- profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints -- pending review
14:20:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/263
14:21:03 <plh> (we'll skip that one)
14:22:06 <plh> issue-324?
14:22:06 <trackbot> issue-324 -- Prefer end to dur on generated out-of-line regions -- raised
14:22:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/324
14:22:30 <plh> Nigel: this is to do with the out of line region text
14:23:02 <plh> ... Glenn assigned a duration value to those regions
14:23:35 <plh> issue-324 is now open
14:23:50 <plh> issue-325?
14:23:50 <trackbot> issue-325 -- Add 'prohibited' value to @ttp:validation -- raised
14:23:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/325
14:24:07 <plh> Nigel: Glenn raised that one
14:24:52 <plh> Jerry: is this case probihited means disabled?
14:25:01 <plh> Nigel: yes, it means you must not validate this
14:25:07 <plh> Jerry: what's the use case?
14:25:17 <plh> Nigel: I don't know
14:25:50 <plh> issue-325: the group would like to see use case(s) for this
14:25:50 <trackbot> Notes added to issue-325 Add 'prohibited' value to @ttp:validation.
14:26:13 <plh> issue-326?
14:26:13 <trackbot> issue-326 -- definitions do not use shall, uses of definitions may use shall -- raised
14:26:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/326
14:26:34 <plh> Nigel: this is about conformance language
14:26:40 <plh> ... makes sense to me
14:26:59 <plh> 326 is now open
14:27:14 <plh> issue-327?
14:27:14 <trackbot> issue-327 -- IMSC should meet W3C QA Framework Spec guidelines -- raised
14:27:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/327
14:27:45 <plh> Nigel: this is generic bucket.
14:27:56 <plh> ... let's try to meet the best practices as we can.
14:28:09 <plh> ... is that a reasonnable thing to be asking for?
14:28:48 <plh> Plh: it's nice to have but not a priority imho
14:29:23 <plh> ... let's see what Pierre can do and if you have more specific concern, you should raise those separately
14:29:33 <plh> Nigel: agreed
14:30:08 <plh> issue-328?
14:30:08 <trackbot> issue-328 -- ittm:altText should be in TT namespace in TTML 2.0 -- raised
14:30:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/328
14:30:27 <plh> Nigel: goes back to alt text
14:30:42 <plh> ... that maybe imsc doesn't meet the WCAG 2 guidelines
14:30:54 <plh> ... although the resolution didn't require alt text
14:31:01 <plh> ... it's still a good idea
14:31:14 <plh> ... so it's imsc 1 and John wants to put in the tt namespace
14:31:22 <plh> ... ie not part of metadata
14:31:56 <plh> Plh: +1 to John
14:32:01 <plh> Nigel: I agree as well
14:32:44 <plh> issue-309?
14:32:44 <trackbot> issue-309 -- Image profile needs to permit text equivalent -- open
14:32:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/309
14:33:02 <plh> Nigel: Pierre has made some edits there
14:33:35 <plh> ... I still need to complete my review but I'm comfortable with where we got to now
14:33:49 <plh> ... I suppose there is a question about the alternative mechanism
14:34:45 <plh> Plh: so the meeting with the a11y folks happened?
14:35:13 <plh> Nigel: yes. it isn't a requirement that it needs to be provided in the same doc.
14:35:25 <plh> ... it's a requirement for the software to find it
14:35:42 <plh> ... there needs to be metadata about the alternative document
14:36:46 <plh> ... I think we should close the issue at this stage
14:38:03 <plh> close issue-309
14:38:03 <trackbot> Closed issue-309.
14:38:11 <plh> issue-313?
14:38:11 <trackbot> issue-313 -- Presented Region section is informative only -- open
14:38:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/313
14:38:23 <plh> Nigel: that's an IMSC region
14:38:59 <plh> ... ttml 1 has the concept of temporarily active region
14:39:12 <plh> ... Pierre has resolved in his edit
14:39:33 <plh> ... so we have a definition in IMSC 1 now
14:40:01 <plh> ... I think the proposal is to close issue 313 and raise a new one
14:40:07 <plh> ... happy with the approach
14:40:32 <plh> Jerry: makes sense to me. it clarifies the remaining issue
14:40:38 <plh> close issue-313
14:40:38 <trackbot> Closed issue-313.
14:40:51 <plh> ACTION: Nigel to create follow-up issue from issue-313
14:40:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-308 - Create follow-up issue from issue-313 [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-07-31].
14:41:16 <plh> issue-314?
14:41:16 <trackbot> issue-314 -- Temporally active is not defined for regions -- open
14:41:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/314
14:41:49 <plh> Nigel: temporally active isn't defined and ought to be
14:42:22 <plh> ... that can be achieve with assigning begin/end time to regions
14:42:35 <plh> ... I wonder if folks use regions with timing
14:42:51 <plh> ... the concept from Glenn is a good one but I don't know a use case for it
14:43:19 <plh> ... will continue discussion with Glenn
14:43:23 <plh> issue-317?
14:43:23 <trackbot> issue-317 -- IMSC should not require frame alignment -- open
14:43:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/317
14:43:45 <plh> NIgel: Pierre made an edit that he believes sort out this issue
14:44:21 <plh> "A document can be made independent of the frame rate of the related video object by never using the frames term in a time expression"
14:44:39 <plh> "In circumstances where the video program is downsampled during delivery, the application can specify that, at playback, the relative video object be considered the delivered video program upsampled to is original rate, thereby allowing subtitle content to be rendered at the same temporal locations it was authored."
14:44:48 <plh> Nigel: I think it addresses my concern
14:45:17 <plh> ... so if Pierre and I are ok, can we close the issue?
14:45:24 <plh> close issue-317
14:45:25 <trackbot> Closed issue-317.
14:45:53 <plh> Topic: Change proposals
14:46:15 <plh> Nigel: the way things look: priority 1 needs to be closed before FPWD
14:46:34 <plh> ...  	Amendments to the set attribute
14:46:42 <plh> ...  	HTML5 Mapping semantics
14:47:24 <plh> Jerry: change proposal 5 is largely drafted. you expressed a desire to have those inline. Didn't close the loop with Glenn yet. the content is there
14:47:35 <plh> ... just needs to be incorporated
14:47:54 <plh> Nigel: can you create an issue on TTML 2 for this?
14:48:00 <plh> ... and edit the change proposal page
14:48:09 <plh> Jerry: sure
14:48:28 <plh> Nigel:  	Audio rendering
14:48:37 <plh> ... I don't think that needs to be in TTML 2 at this stage
14:48:48 <plh> ... so if somebody does want to take this on, let me know
14:49:10 <plh> ... Distribution
14:49:27 <plh> ... I can't do a lot about it at the moment
14:49:33 <plh> ... hoping to bring something back
14:49:48 <plh> ... what if you have a stream of short documents?
14:50:15 <plh> Plh: when is FPWD scheduled?
14:50:25 <plh> Nigel: no timeline yet
14:50:57 <plh> Plh: how about targetting after the september meeting?
14:51:00 <plh> Nigel: too early
14:51:06 <plh> ... would rather do after TPAC
14:51:28 <plh> .. I'll talk with Glenn as well
14:51:39 <plh> ACTION: Nigel to propose a timeline for TTML 2 FPWD
14:51:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-309 - Propose a timeline for ttml 2 fpwd [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-07-31].
14:52:05 <plh> Nigel: tests needs to be closed by LC
14:52:15 <plh> ... I'll be looking for volunteers for that
14:52:48 <Zakim> -Andreas
14:53:35 <plh> ... Links
14:55:14 <Zakim> -Plh
14:55:16 <Zakim> -nigel
14:55:52 <nigel> nigel: If nobody has a use case for links that means it should have a higher priority then it will be deferred until v.next
14:55:59 <nigel> nigel: Meeting adjourned.
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