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13:08:25 <Domenic> http://oksoclap.com/p/tag-july-22
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14:07:55 <Domenic> plh: minutes at http://oksoclap.com/p/tag-july-22
14:26:55 <slightlyoff> twirl: yeah
14:27:34 <slightlyoff> it's behavior browsers already have but don't express control over
14:28:51 <twirl> looks like SW is much better method to control such things
14:58:06 <plh> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-uri-scheme-reg-01
15:03:14 <slightlyoff> Yves: the original thread is: https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/486572197092552704
15:03:35 <slightlyoff> twirl: SW's aren't available on first-load
15:03:42 <slightlyoff> (sorry for the delayed response)
15:07:00 <Yves> slightlyoff: yeah, I saw it, and the looooong thread came from overreactionon an out-of-context citation... pretty common :)
15:25:17 <darobin> helluvah +1 to the RICG
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17:50:06 <Domenic> http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-aliases/
17:50:16 <bkardell_> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/master/css-extensions/Overview.html#custom-property
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17:51:03 <bkardell_> strike the hash from that :)
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18:56:15 <plinss> bkardell: proper url for above: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-extensions/
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19:23:48 <slightlyoff> OH HAI JeniT
19:24:19 <JeniT> hi and bye: time for my dinner!
19:25:19 <slightlyoff> wycats: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version_partially_combined-ww-monthly-201306-201406
19:25:26 <wycats> http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0
19:25:32 <wycats> 20% of desktop
19:25:33 <slightlyoff> 5.4%
19:25:44 <slightlyoff> you know why those numbers are wrong, right?
19:26:19 <slightlyoff> http://gs.statcounter.com/press/open-letter-ms
19:27:06 <slightlyoff> see also: http://gs.statcounter.com/factsheet
19:29:31 <wycats> 8% is still high
19:29:47 <wycats> ah lies
19:29:48 <wycats> 5%
19:29:51 <wycats> good call
19:29:52 <wycats> anyway
19:30:02 <wycats> we're likely going to drop IE8 support in 2015
19:30:13 <wycats> believe me we do not want to support it
19:32:12 <wycats> hm so one problem with the critique re: users vs. pages
19:32:14 <wycats> is apps
19:32:17 <wycats> apps have a single unique page
19:32:20 <wycats> but many conceptual pages
19:32:32 <wycats> so the statcounter approach is going to undercount htem
19:32:33 <wycats> them*
19:35:22 <slightlyoff> IE8 should already be dead for new work at any place that's not doulbling your money to support it
19:36:40 <slightlyoff> like, gut-check time: how do you imagine that NetApp thinks IE is 53% of desktop market share?
19:40:07 <wycats> to be clear, I'm not talking about spec-level decoupling
19:40:10 <wycats> just marketing decoupligng
19:40:40 <wycats> slightlyoff: it's worth asking yourself whether "everyone knows Chrome has X%" is actually empirical evidence
19:40:44 <wycats> but I agree with you
19:40:53 <wycats> my critique above would likely tend to undercount Chrome users
19:41:00 <wycats> because oldIE users are not using a lot of apps
19:58:15 <Domenic> http://specifiction.org/
20:13:30 <wycats> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/SVGAnimatedLengthList
20:14:04 <dka> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/single-page.html#types-InterfaceSVGAnimatedLengthList
20:15:37 <wycats> I basically just want [0] => { baseVal: x, animVal: y }
20:21:13 <slightlyoff> wycats: I'm trying to understand if you'd like them to subclass Array or if an indexed getter and array-like-ness is good enough for you in this case?
20:21:23 <wycats> the latter is acceptable
20:21:31 <wycats> and matches the rest of DOM sadness
20:21:35 <slightlyoff> heh
20:21:41 <wycats> this is worse than DOMNodeList
20:21:48 <wycats> or whatever it's called :P
20:22:10 <wycats> if you want to get the info at position 1, you need to do: list.baseVal(1) & list.animVal(1)
20:22:13 <wycats> it's just silly
20:31:32 <wycats> where is the draft?
20:32:12 <twirl> wycats http://dev.w3.org/fxtf/geometry/#DOMRect
20:46:42 <dka> http://www.technologyreview.com/news/528121/a-contraceptive-implant-with-remote-control/
20:51:51 <dka> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/webcrypto-next-workshop/Overview.html
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