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15:40:13 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:40:13 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
15:42:04 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Barry Johnson, Mary Jo Mueller, tim , Tim Boland , steve lee
15:42:15 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:42:33 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:42:34 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ set scribe
15:42:36 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ Continuing looking at what goes into first chunk. Reviewing user group findings
15:42:38 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ what other technologies goes into first chunk
15:42:39 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Next steps
15:42:41 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
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15:51:20 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:51:27 <Zakim> +??P7
15:52:02 <Zakim> +JohnRochford
15:53:07 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P7 is Lisa_Seeman
15:53:07 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
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15:56:42 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aaaa
15:57:11 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +44 is Tony_Doran
15:57:11 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
15:57:41 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here
15:57:41 <Zakim> Lisa_Seeman, you need to end that query with '?'
15:57:46 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
15:57:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, Tony_Doran
15:57:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see allanj, Tony_Doran, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, slee, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
15:58:06 <Zakim> +NeilMilliken
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15:58:50 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
15:59:00 <Zakim> + +1.804.749.aabb
15:59:26 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +1 is debra_rue
15:59:26 <Zakim> +debra_rue; got it
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16:00:35 <Zakim> +??P0
16:00:57 <Zakim> + +1.512.445.aacc
16:01:37 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +512 is KateDeibel
16:01:37 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named '+512'
16:01:55 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, 512 is Susann_Keohane
16:01:55 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named '512'
16:02:09 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +1.512 is Susann_Keohane
16:02:09 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
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16:02:38 <KateDeibel> zakim, +??p0 is me
16:02:38 <Zakim> sorry, KateDeibel, I do not recognize a party named '+??p0'
16:02:44 <KateDeibel> zakim, +p0 is me
16:02:44 <Zakim> sorry, KateDeibel, I do not recognize a party named '+p0'
16:02:59 <KateDeibel> zakim, +??P0 is me
16:03:00 <Zakim> sorry, KateDeibel, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
16:03:02 <NeilMilliken> I promised I would share the information on the BBC Project on Neurodiversity - there is now a public link http://www.bbc.co.uk/diversity/disability/neurodiversityatthebbc.html
16:03:27 <allanj> zakim, ??Po is KateDeibel
16:03:27 <Zakim> sorry, allanj, I do not recognize a party named '??Po'
16:03:56 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:03:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:04:06 <KateDeibel> zakim, +??P0 is KateDeibel
16:04:06 <Zakim> sorry, KateDeibel, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
16:04:09 <NeilMilliken> thanks jim
16:04:11 <KateDeibel> zakim, P0 is KateDeibel
16:04:11 <Zakim> sorry, KateDeibel, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
16:04:15 <allanj> scribe: allanj
16:04:15 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: allanj
16:04:16 <KateDeibel> zakim, ??P0 is KateDeibel
16:04:16 <Zakim> +KateDeibel; got it
16:04:21 <NeilMilliken> Wipes brow
16:04:28 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:04:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Lisa_Seeman
16:05:16 <allanj> ls: peer review for last week?
16:05:38 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
16:05:38 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
16:05:39 <Zakim> 1. set scribe [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:05:39 <Zakim> 2. Continuing looking at what goes into first chunk. Reviewing user group findings [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:05:39 <Zakim> 3. what other technologies goes into first chunk [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:05:39 <Zakim> 4. Next steps [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:05:39 <Zakim> 5. be done [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:05:49 <allanj> zakim, close item 1
16:05:49 <Zakim> agendum 1, set scribe, closed
16:05:50 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:05:50 <Zakim> 2. Continuing looking at what goes into first chunk. Reviewing user group findings [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:06:01 <allanj> agenda+ UAAG discussion
16:06:40 <allanj> zakim, open item 6
16:06:40 <Zakim> agendum 6. "UAAG discussion" taken up [from allanj]
16:06:56 <allanj> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2014Feb/0000.html
16:07:23 <allanj> in UAAG
16:07:33 <allanj> 3.1.1 Reduce Interruptions: The user can avoid or defer: (Level AA)
16:07:35 <Zakim> +??P5
16:07:35 <allanj>     Recognized messages that are non-essential or low priority
16:07:36 <allanj>     Information in the user agent user interface that is being updated or changing
16:07:38 <allanj>     Rendered content that is being updated or changing
16:07:52 <janina> zakim, ??P5 is me
16:07:52 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:07:59 <allanj> UAAG is about the user agent interface and its rendering of the content. It isn't about the content itself -- that would be covered by WCAG. Although some of the ideas were very good, they would more appropriate to WCAG, not UAAG.
16:08:11 <allanj> UAWG could not suggest a way that the user agent would be able to determine the  "core use-cases" in a testable manner.
16:08:22 <allanj> UAWG could not suggest a testable way that the user agent could determine what UI messages were low priority. UAWG did note that many user agents did use the technique of a checkbox in the messages "Do not show me this message again" for message that the user agent considered low priority. UAWG received another comment that the user agents had no way to test what would be a low priority for...
16:08:24 <allanj> ...the browser.
16:08:35 <allanj> There is not a way for flagging the priority of content or user interface messages other than aria-live.  It is not clear if ARIA does applies to user agents visually blocking content, as the spec speaks explicitly to assistive technologies, and is ambiguous whether it applies to user agents. Note that assistive technology does not presently have consistent support ARIA in the user interface.
16:08:46 <allanj> The User Agent Working Group, after considering the taskforce's and other comments, have decided to remove the SC.  We have determined that the provisions of the SC are untestable or are covered by other SCs.
16:08:55 <allanj> UAWG wants to review our decision with the experts of the CATF in case they have an alternative solution to the testability problem with the success criterion.
16:08:59 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
16:09:47 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran
16:10:26 <Lisa_Seeman> allanj: Uawg is about the browser
16:10:34 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:10:43 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:13:04 <Lisa_Seeman> debra rue: sees the piont
16:13:08 <allanj> dr: this is an important issue, agree with the points, no solution.
16:14:05 <allanj> johnr: content issues. author could flag content as important or not
16:14:07 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:14:31 <allanj> ja: flag doesn't exist
16:15:46 <allanj> johnr: perhaps need a tag for "simple" for author to include in test. need to change COGA documents to reflect content as well as design
16:16:03 <allanj> ls: when discussion interactions
16:16:04 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:16:29 <allanj> ... with aria live, is there a way to address it.
16:17:32 <allanj> ... chat interruptions, when trying to fill out a form, keep getting interrupted by other web pages requiring input
16:18:07 <allanj> ls: how to set do not disturb across web pages.
16:19:09 <NeilMilliken> q+
16:19:10 <allanj> ... this seems a browser issue
16:19:21 <Lisa_Seeman> Ack lisa
16:19:38 <Lisa_Seeman> ack tony
16:20:31 <Lisa_Seeman> ack neil
16:20:45 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:20:55 <allanj> td: content and tagging content. it's not just the browser, there are many layers of AT that may sit on top or aside may also impact messaging
16:21:42 <allanj> nm: need something to mute without turning off.
16:21:50 <allanj> ls: use cases ...
16:22:38 <allanj> ... 1. working on agenda, need a break, go to facebook, and you bounce between app, need to mute them
16:23:42 <allanj> ... 2. may need other tabs open to complete your task. need to mute other applications
16:24:34 <allanj> ja: what about 'away checkbox' in skype, authors could put them all apps.
16:24:39 <JohnRochford> q+
16:25:00 <allanj> ls: needs to be easy to set as away, and back on a global basis
16:25:05 <allanj> ack lisa
16:25:09 <Lisa_Seeman> acj john
16:25:16 <allanj> ack john
16:25:18 <Lisa_Seeman> ack john
16:26:09 <Lisa_Seeman> John: could extentions be a way to conform
16:26:16 <Lisa_Seeman> Aj: yes
16:26:37 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:27:08 <Lisa_Seeman> Ack tony
16:27:46 <Lisa_Seeman> tony: extetions are not avilible on all devices
16:27:59 <Lisa_Seeman> AJ: good piont - will bring that up
16:28:38 <allanj> td: browser extensions, extensions only work on higher powered browsers, not so much on tablets and smartphones.
16:28:45 <JohnRochford> Agree
16:28:58 <NeilMilliken> agree
16:29:36 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
16:30:32 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:30:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continuing looking at what goes into first chunk. Reviewing user group findings" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:31:08 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Any comments for Down Syndrome gap analysis in the next week or two?
16:31:16 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/ds
16:32:30 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:34:32 <JohnRochford> Debra: DS gap analysis is first draft. Recognizes more work is to be performed.
16:34:43 <KateDeibel> +q
16:34:45 <Susann_Keohane> http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#ref-section
16:35:30 <JohnRochford> q+
16:36:12 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:36:27 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
16:36:54 <Susann_Keohane> q+
16:36:59 <KateDeibel> -q
16:37:18 <Zakim> +JohnRochford
16:38:43 <JohnRochford> John: References to all of the papers to which Kate referred us are on our Research Sources page at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Research_sources
16:40:02 <JohnRochford> Kate: Will send actual papers to Debra.
16:40:16 <Lisa_Seeman> action: debra rue to look at kates research, add either "todo box" to the DS section OR incorporate it into the wiki
16:40:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Rue to look at kates research, add either "todo box" to the ds section or incorporate it into the wiki [on Debra Ruh - due 2014-07-28].
16:40:57 <Lisa_Seeman> ack john
16:44:09 <JohnRochford> Debra: References, in DS gap analysis, to RNIB guidelines, etc., include DS research
16:44:57 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I don't see the DS research cited in the pages related to those links.
16:45:15 <JohnRochford> Debra: Will check the links.
16:46:17 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Concerned about groups referencing each other's work in a circular fashion
16:46:56 <KateDeibel> +q
16:47:35 <JohnRochford> Debra: Research cited may not have been specific to DS, but rather for people with ID in general
16:47:39 <Tony_Doran> q+ - downs syndrome
16:49:25 <Lisa_Seeman> action: debra rue to look link of the guidelines sectio, check links and remove guidlines that are not based on resech on DS
16:49:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Rue to look link of the guidelines sectio, check links and remove guidlines that are not based on resech on ds [on Debra Ruh - due 2014-07-28].
16:49:36 <Lisa_Seeman> Ack lisa
16:49:47 <Lisa_Seeman> ack su
16:49:53 <Lisa_Seeman> ack kate
16:50:11 <Lisa_Seeman> ack dow
16:50:17 <Lisa_Seeman> ack -
16:50:25 <Lisa_Seeman> ack synd
16:51:10 <NeilMilliken> agree
16:51:15 <JohnRochford> Agree
16:51:21 <Lisa_Seeman> Lisa: DS is in  the firstc chunk
16:51:57 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/ADHD
16:52:28 <JohnRochford> Lisa: ADD is not in first chunk, but is looking for work to be done on it so it can be
16:54:28 <JohnRochford> Susann: On Aging and Dementia gap analysis, headings work was done; citations work could not be performed because of lack of access to articles.
16:54:31 <KateDeibel> +q
16:54:47 <JohnRochford> Susann: A&D gap analysis is ready for review.
16:56:35 <KateDeibel> katherine.deibel@gmail.com
16:56:56 <Lisa_Seeman> action: susan to ask kate for refrences
16:56:57 <trackbot> Error finding 'susan'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:57:26 <Lisa_Seeman> 	action: Susann_Keohane to ask kate for refrences
16:57:35 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:57:40 <KateDeibel> -q
16:57:43 <JohnRochford> actionn: Susann_Keohane to ask KateDeibel for references
16:58:00 <Zakim> -Cooper
16:58:47 <NeilMilliken> I have to drop off now
16:59:00 <Zakim> -NeilMilliken
16:59:04 <Zakim> -debra_rue
16:59:11 <JohnRochford> John: My apologies, but I must leave the conversation now. Lisa, would you please submit the necessary close commands? Thanks.
16:59:38 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
16:59:47 <Zakim> -janina
17:00:03 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:01:05 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
17:01:32 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Susann_Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch
17:01:32 <trackbot> Error finding 'Susann_Keohane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
17:02:09 <Lisa_Seeman> action: SusannKeohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch
17:02:09 <trackbot> Error finding 'SusannKeohane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
17:02:33 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Susann Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch
17:02:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [on Susann Keohane - due 2014-07-28].
17:03:29 <KateDeibel> *thumbs up*
17:03:34 <KateDeibel> going to a meeting now
17:03:37 <Zakim> -KateDeibel
17:05:35 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
17:05:55 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
17:06:01 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:06:09 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:06:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:06:17 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:06:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were JohnRochford, Lisa_Seeman, +44.289.442.aaaa, Tony_Doran, NeilMilliken, Jim_Allan, +1.804.749.aabb, debra_rue, +1.512.445.aacc,
17:06:17 <Zakim> Zakim has left #coga
17:06:20 <Zakim> ... Susann_Keohane, KateDeibel, janina, Cooper, Debbie_Dahl
17:06:26 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-actions.rdf :
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: debra rue to look at kates research, add either "todo box" to the DS section OR incorporate it into the wiki [1]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T16-40-16
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: debra rue to look link of the guidelines sectio, check links and remove guidlines that are not based on resech on DS [2]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T16-49-25
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: susan to ask kate for refrences [3]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T16-56-56
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Susann_Keohane to ask kate for refrences [4]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T16-57-26
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: n to Susann_Keohane to ask KateDeibel for references [5]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T16-57-43
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Susann_Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [6]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T17-01-32
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SusannKeohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [7]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T17-02-09
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Susann Keohane to try and include more research, or add a "todo box" of missing reaserch [8]
17:06:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/21-coga-irc#T17-02-33