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12:50:29 <fsasaki> meeting: LD4LT telco
12:50:32 <fsasaki> chair: Dave
12:50:47 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0018.html
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12:55:50 <daveL> Meeting: LD4LT community Group Call
12:56:04 <daveL> chair: Dave Lewis
12:56:40 <daveL> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:56:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-ld4lt-minutes.html daveL
12:57:18 <daveL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0018.html
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13:00:03 <Renat> present+ Renat
13:00:43 <daveL> apologies, we just lost goto meeting for a minute, back now
13:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:00:57 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
13:00:59 <daveL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0018.html
13:01:22 <jgracia> present+ Jorge, Victor
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13:01:40 <daveL> present+ DaveLewis
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13:01:56 <daveL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0018.html
13:02:00 <Tcarrasco> present+ M.T. Carrasco Benitez
13:02:02 <fsasaki> regrets+ penny
13:02:20 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
13:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:02:48 <fsasaki> s/roll call/agenda review/
13:02:56 <fsasaki> dave: this week want to focus on meta-share ontology
13:03:08 <fsasaki> .. then will go through meta-share changes we did since last time
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13:03:36 <fsasaki> .. and will cover suggestions by victor on licensing
13:03:53 <rnavigli> present+ RobertoNavigli
13:03:55 <fsasaki> .. penny is not here today, she had mailed comments on licensing, will go through those
13:04:07 <fsasaki> topic: action items
13:04:16 <fsasaki> action-5?
13:04:16 <trackbot> action-5 -- Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel to proposal for a license modue -- due 2014-06-19 -- OPEN
13:04:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/5
13:04:19 <fsasaki> done
13:04:24 <fsasaki> close action-5
13:04:24 <trackbot> Closed action-5.
13:04:25 <kevinkoidl> present+ kevinkoidl
13:04:29 <daveL> ACTION-7: Felix - Check with w3c groups if there are other approaches to represent languages as uris
13:04:29 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-7 Check with w3c groups if there are other approches to represent languages as uris.
13:04:31 <fsasaki> action-7?
13:04:31 <trackbot> action-7 -- Felix Sasaki to Check with w3c groups if there are other approches to represent languages as uris -- due 2014-06-19 -- OPEN
13:04:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/7
13:04:40 <daveL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0004.html
13:04:44 <fsasaki> close action-7
13:04:44 <trackbot> Closed action-7.
13:04:56 <Ali_H_Vahid> present+Ali_ H_Vahid
13:05:24 <fsasaki> felix: ok to discuss with meta-share, hard to resolve in general
13:05:28 <fsasaki> action-8?
13:05:28 <trackbot> action-8 -- David Lewis to Look into isa work related to dcat profiles and report back -- due 2014-07-10 -- OPEN
13:05:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/8
13:05:39 <fsasaki> done, see mail from dave
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13:05:46 <fsasaki> close action-8
13:05:46 <trackbot> Closed action-8.
13:06:09 <fsasaki> see mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0011.html
13:06:20 <fsasaki> action-9?
13:06:20 <trackbot> action-9 -- Jorge Gracia to Implement changes in metashare spreadsheet -- due 2014-07-10 -- OPEN
13:06:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/9
13:06:30 <fsasaki> close action-9
13:06:30 <trackbot> Closed action-9.
13:06:36 <daveL> ACTION-10: Jorge - Identify some external vocabularies to use in ms
13:06:37 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-10 Identify some external vocabularies to use in ms.
13:06:38 <fsasaki> dave: will discuss later in the call
13:07:04 <fsasaki> jorge: will be covered during meta-share discussion
13:07:06 <fsasaki> close action-10
13:07:06 <trackbot> Closed action-10.
13:07:21 <fsasaki> dave: thanks to all for working on your action points :)
13:07:23 <daveL> http://mlode2014.nlp2rdf.org/lider-roadmapping-workshop/
13:07:26 <fsasaki> topic: event announcements
13:07:38 <fsasaki> dave: ld4lt / lider RM workshop in leipzig
13:08:11 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2014/07/14/linked-data-meets-content-analytics-4th-lider-ld4lt-event-2nd-september-leipzig/
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13:08:29 <daveL> felix: this event is looking at getting more input from the analytics use cases and needs for linked data
13:08:45 <daveL> .. as there will be a lot of those companies there
13:09:17 <fsasaki> dave: will be a good opportunity for people in this group to meet f2f and discuss content analytics and general topics
13:09:29 <fsasaki> dave: then, we recently had a workshop in dublin at loc world
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13:09:42 <fsasaki> .. we have now an opportunity to repeat that in vancouver
13:09:48 <fsasaki> .. will be in last week of october
13:10:00 <fsasaki> .. so FYI, I'll send details around later
13:10:09 <daveL> Topic: META-SHARE vocabulary CORE
13:10:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:10:25 <daveL> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15SE4_qAqYFostmD52uKxpkCPZh1f5TrPeoXKNTlDYpQ/edit#gid=0
13:11:11 <fsasaki> present+ serge, marta
13:11:28 <fsasaki> jorge: modifications of the gdocs spreadsheet format:
13:11:36 <fsasaki> .. I created new columns to put new information in
13:12:01 <fsasaki> .. we keep track of the old information. these have been hidden as you can do in excel. Just click and the previous info appears
13:12:29 <fsasaki> .. I added colors so that you can see what changed - this is shown in blue
13:12:51 <fsasaki> .. in the discussion column: I, penny, dave, others have added comments for feeding the discussion
13:13:11 <fsasaki> .. my proposal: go through the rows in the spreadsheet, re-read the discussion column, see what we can decide
13:13:23 <fsasaki> .. I colored in red the discussions that may be more critical
13:13:34 <fsasaki> .. propose to go through whole list of rows
13:13:37 <fsasaki> dave: agree
13:13:47 <fsasaki> jorge: set of classes are short
13:13:59 <fsasaki> .. first: agent
13:14:20 <fsasaki> .. proposed to use FOAF agent both for person and organization
13:14:32 <fsasaki> .. see in the comment suggestion provenance agent
13:15:01 <fsasaki> dave: using it by itself does not make sense, of course
13:16:20 <fsasaki> jorge: for us, as a first step, I propose this, without prov ontology
13:16:22 <fsasaki> dave: sure
13:16:36 <fsasaki> jorge: now row six: there were some labels expressed as camel case
13:16:45 <fsasaki> .. I changed this as separate words
13:16:56 <fsasaki> .. also suggest to write labels in lower case
13:17:07 <fsasaki> .. recommended to write labels as normal English
13:17:16 <fsasaki> .. something to keep in mind when we do the clean version of this
13:17:32 <fsasaki> .. for corpus: I removed disjointness, thought it is not useful
13:17:53 <fsasaki> .. in row 10: corpus collection
13:18:08 <fsasaki> .. penny explains that this value does not come from meta-share model
13:18:37 <fsasaki> .. I say: we could introduce collection class of dublin core
13:18:47 <fsasaki> .. need to check that with meta-share people if that fits with them
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13:19:04 <jgracia> (http://purl.org/dc/dcmitype/Collection
13:19:12 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#vocabulary-overview
13:19:39 <fsasaki> dave: in dcat there is the idea of a data set
13:19:48 <fsasaki> .. that would be the language resource in our case
13:20:03 <fsasaki> .. but it can also be a catalog, which can be a collection with data sets
13:20:44 <fsasaki> .. so catalog rather than dct collection may be a better way of doing it
13:21:23 <fsasaki> @@: for corpora you can have audio of the corpus and the transcript
13:21:24 <jgracia> Marta Villegas
13:21:29 <fsasaki> .. in a sense you have two corpora
13:21:38 <fsasaki> s/@@/marta/
13:21:55 <fsasaki> marta: so you need two instances of corpuse to encode both parts of the corpus
13:22:21 <fsasaki> .. that is the idea: to build a higher node so that you can add more corpora inside
13:22:33 <fsasaki> dave: so that is probably different than dcat catalogue
13:22:42 <fsasaki> .. in your description a collection is a sub grouping
13:23:25 <daveL> http://dublincore.org/documents/2012/06/14/dcmi-terms/?v=dcmitype#Collection
13:23:38 <fsasaki> dave: about dublin core: it says "it is an aggregation + collection of resources"
13:23:52 <fsasaki> ..  so dct: collection maybe is more accurate
13:24:11 <fsasaki> jorge: we have to decide: how to map dcat data sets with language resources
13:24:39 <fsasaki> dave: so stay with collections as suggested
13:24:40 <fsasaki> jorge: ok
13:26:16 <fsasaki> present+ philippC, johnMcC
13:26:32 <fsasaki> discussion on the definition of "corpus"
13:28:35 <fsasaki> philipp: postpone discussion and decide later whether we define this as property or class
13:28:45 <fsasaki> marta: in meta-share corpus you may have different media types
13:29:07 <fsasaki> .. you can have audio media type or text part
13:29:33 <fsasaki> .. penny can give us more info - it is not trivial to move from annotation schema to ontology at this pont
13:29:36 <fsasaki> s/pont/point/
13:30:12 <fsasaki> john: two options: we map to other concepts, or we just represent what is in meta-share. what is the goal here?
13:30:35 <fsasaki> jorge: the aim is closer to use what is in meta-share, and to convert that in owl ontology
13:30:45 <fsasaki> .. meta-share is based on decades of discussion
13:31:24 <fsasaki> john: so if in meta-share there is a corpus collection we use that, if not, we can use s.t. from a semantic web vocabulary
13:31:38 <fsasaki> marta: corpus collection has been added, it is not in the original meta-share
13:31:59 <fsasaki> john: if this is about alignment we should not have a new vocab that is not in meta-share?
13:32:12 <fsasaki> dave: this is a first attempt to map existing xml format into rdf
13:32:26 <fsasaki> .. that's slightly different to map a vocab into antother one
13:33:47 <fsasaki> (scribe has a hard time to capture discussion, will see if there is a conclusion)
13:34:23 <daveL> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Meta-Share_OWL_metamodel
13:34:45 <daveL>  http://www.meta-net.eu/meta-share/META-SHARE%20%20documentationUserManual.pdf
13:35:57 <fsasaki> https://github.com/metashare/META-SHARE/tree/master/misc/schema/v3.0
13:36:36 <fsasaki> marta: above schema is the latest version of the xml schema
13:38:04 <Tcarrasco> Proposal - corpus: collection of linguistic data; it be in several media-types. Corpus can be: media-type homogenous or heterogeneos; monolingual or multilingual.
13:38:43 <fsasaki> dave: this type of corpus are first class citizens in meta-share model?
13:38:45 <fsasaki> marta: yes
13:38:49 <fsasaki> s/dave/jorge/
13:39:04 <fsasaki> jorge: maybe good then to define this as first class entity
13:39:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:46:06 <Tcarrasco> Today, the relevant corpora today is n-lingual plain text
13:46:29 <fsasaki> dave: how to wrap up the discussion on corpus definition, jorge?
13:46:35 <fsasaki> jorge: let's move to license topic
13:46:58 <fsasaki> .. one major issue to clarify: mapping between language resource and dcat data set and dcat distribution classes
13:47:01 <fsasaki> .. this is still oepn
13:47:06 <fsasaki> s/oepen/open/
13:47:34 <fsasaki> action: daveL to gather info on how to provide more detailed mapping from meta-share to dcat
13:47:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Gather info on how to provide more detailed mapping from meta-share to dcat [on David Lewis - due 2014-07-24].
13:47:34 <Tcarrasco> Human annotation is realistic for small corpus - large corpus requires programatic processing for cleaning, annotation and other processing
13:47:47 <fsasaki> jorge: agree, now let's move into licensese topic
13:47:59 <daveL> Topic: META-SHARE vocabulary LICENSE
13:48:11 <daveL> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Licensing_information
13:48:24 <daveL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2014Jul/0014.html
13:48:43 <fsasaki> dave: wikipage from victor, penny sent above mail
13:49:09 <Tcarrasco> Sound poor
13:49:21 <fsasaki> victor: penny likes the approach and made some comments
13:49:31 <fsasaki> .. she said: we should declare more precisely which elements we use
13:50:29 <fsasaki> .. currently literals are plain strings. they should be replaced by URIs
13:50:39 <fsasaki> .. penny says the license name has to be kept
13:50:43 <fsasaki> .. use of URL is also ok
13:50:55 <fsasaki> .. resources that have double licensing
13:51:02 <fsasaki> .. should be supported, I agree
13:51:23 <fsasaki> .. she discussed more information that should be there
13:51:30 <fsasaki> .. penny has not reflected comments in wiki
13:51:46 <fsasaki> .. I can do it for here or she can do it herself, I'll send a mail to her about that
13:51:56 <fsasaki> .. next step will be to update spreadsheet
13:52:42 <fsasaki> victor: we can use meta-share term, declaring odrl
13:52:51 <fsasaki> .. connecting both via owl:sameAs
13:53:05 <fsasaki> .. in martas translation I missed an element to aggregate license information
13:53:23 <fsasaki> .. in martas model these properties were directly attributed to the resources
13:53:57 <fsasaki> dave: is it necessary to have the aggregation? or can you retrieve that via sparql?
13:54:21 <fsasaki> victor: if a resource has two licenses the properties will be related to license one or two
13:54:31 <fsasaki> dave: ok
13:55:49 <fsasaki> .. when I look at dcat I will take the discussion of multiple licsenses into account too
13:56:53 <fsasaki> felix: when you have issues with dcat you may want to talk to phil archer directly, he is on top of things
13:57:07 <fsasaki> dave: makes sense - about dcat we can make a wiki page
13:57:23 <fsasaki> .. so that it is digestable for dcat people
13:57:27 <fsasaki> felix: makes a lot of sense
13:57:33 <jgracia> +1
13:57:51 <fsasaki> dave: so victor will lialise with penny and the wiki page
13:58:00 <fsasaki> .. and then we can make changes to the actual spreadsheet
13:58:08 <fsasaki> topic: moving forward
13:58:26 <fsasaki> dave: do people want to have another call next thursday?
13:58:37 <fsasaki> .. I won't be around but we could arrange it
13:59:12 <fsasaki> people can do both weeks
13:59:28 <fsasaki> dave: I could not chair next week but maybe somebody else can do that
13:59:45 <fsasaki> .. trying to nail things down before we get to August
13:59:56 <fsasaki> topic: process reminder
14:00:24 <fsasaki> dave: we want to finish off spreadsheet, then a stable core part, and then handle that back to marta / penny to publish that on their own github
14:00:34 <fsasaki> .. hope that we can get to that after the holidays
14:01:32 <fsasaki> topic: aob
14:02:02 <fsasaki> dave: we will arrange to have a call next week, assure that we can start the session, then another call in two weeks too
14:02:15 <fsasaki> .. thanks to all for your efforts in the mail and here!
14:02:33 <fsasaki> adjourned
14:02:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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