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14:01:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:01:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:01:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:01:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:01:41 <trackbot> Date: 17 July 2014
14:01:47 <r12a> zakim, this will be i18n
14:01:48 <Zakim> ok, r12a; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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14:01:55 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:01:55 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:01:56 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:01:57 <Zakim> +Richard
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14:02:53 <Zakim> +JcK
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14:03:34 <r12a> addison, i started the call
14:03:44 <Zakim> +aphillip
14:03:49 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:03:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, JcK, aphillip
14:03:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see aphillip, DavidC, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, prashant, r12a, fsasaki, fantasai, trackbot
14:04:09 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0009.html
14:04:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:04:42 <Zakim> +??P5
14:04:56 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, JcK, aphillip, fsasaki (muted), ??P5
14:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see aphillip, DavidC, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, prashant, r12a, fsasaki, fantasai, trackbot
14:05:15 <DavidC> Can you hear me?
14:05:36 <DavidC> OK... I'll just listen
14:05:36 <aphillip> zakim, ??P5 is DavidC
14:05:36 <Zakim> +DavidC; got it
14:06:17 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:06:20 <r12a> prashant, will you join the call?
14:06:50 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:06:53 <prashant> i am available through IRC only
14:06:57 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:16 <fsasaki> my action items still not done, please keep open as usual, sorry
14:07:20 <aphillip> action-252?
14:07:25 <trackbot> action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
14:07:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252
14:08:39 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:09:00 <aphillip> addison: we published charmod-norm
14:09:10 <DavidC> Great
14:10:01 <aphillip> JcK: are you all aware of the "hamza above" controversy
14:10:24 <aphillip> ... in unicode description of hamza differs
14:12:31 <aphillip> "bet with hamza above" doesn't decompose to bet plus hamza
14:13:51 <aphillip> JcK: discussion in IAB I18N group
14:13:59 <aphillip> ... ID starting Monday
14:14:25 <aphillip> action: JcK: send link to "hamza above" ID to public list
14:14:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-320 - Send link to "hamza above" id to public list [on John Klensin - due 2014-07-24].
14:14:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:14:50 <aphillip> richard: changed charmod-norm before publishing it
14:14:54 <aphillip> ... only editorial changes
14:15:03 <aphillip> ... mainly section 2
14:16:04 <aphillip> addison: did a few more minor edits
14:16:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:16:29 <aphillip> Topic: RADAR
14:16:38 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:17:44 <aphillip> Topic: Indic Layout Requires
14:17:50 <aphillip> s/Requires/Requirements/
14:18:01 <aphillip> http://www.w3cindia.in/Indic-req-draft/Indic-layout-requirements.html
14:18:09 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0007.html
14:18:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:18:35 <aphillip> richard: they have issued a new version
14:18:47 <aphillip> ... (scrabbles around for a link)
14:19:21 <aphillip> ... suggest that we publish a FPWD
14:19:29 <aphillip> ... and provide some guidance to the TF
14:19:49 <prashant> aphillip:revised has already being uploded at http://w3cindia.in/Indic-req-draft/Revised-Indic-layout-requirements.html
14:20:07 <r12a> http://w3cindia.in/Indic-req-draft/Revised-Indic-layout-requirements.html
14:20:35 <prashant> this is the latest version
14:20:36 <aphillip> richard: propose that they use a stable link for editor's draft
14:20:57 <aphillip> richard: propose that they port to ReSpec
14:21:04 <aphillip> ... and stablize heads
14:21:20 <aphillip> ... remove screen snaps potentially?
14:21:32 <prashant> ok
14:21:59 <aphillip> richard: suggest using TTWF framework instead of screen shots?
14:22:07 <aphillip> ... and perhaps make document more generic
14:22:31 <aphillip> addison: yes, not focused strictly on CSS
14:22:49 <aphillip> richard: publish a document with general requirements and then publish recommendations
14:23:39 <prashant> aphillip: we will update the revised document as suggested
14:24:38 <aphillip> richard: latin text group doing similar
14:24:48 <aphillip> richard: some additional information not yet in document
14:24:50 <prashant> sorry, call is not available right now
14:25:14 <aphillip> richard: need to do a more formal/complete review as a WG
14:27:35 <prashant> ok will made the changes and circulate it into the Indic mailing list
14:29:52 <aphillip> action: richard: follow up with prashant on what we discussed about preparing Indic document for FPWD
14:29:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-321 - Follow up with prashant on what we discussed about preparing indic document for fpwd [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-07-24].
14:30:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:31:11 <prashant> ok i will get in touch with Richard
14:31:14 <aphillip> richard: comments to public-i18n-indic
14:31:41 <prashant> and follow his instructions for fpwd
14:32:01 <aphillip> Topic: Encoding
14:32:26 <aphillip> richard: discussion about how to have the discussion?
14:32:39 <aphillip> ... work through each item and decide if "resolved"?
14:32:45 <aphillip> ... Anne has responded to some
14:33:42 <aphillip> addison: so we said we'd review, de-dupe, and file bugzilla tickets
14:38:53 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/25
14:40:37 <aphillip> richard: not just forward to Anne, but try to work forward to a conclusion
14:41:23 <r12a> s/try to work forward to a conclusion/try to encourage Anne to work forward to a conclusion/
14:42:13 <aphillip> issue-149?
14:42:13 <trackbot> issue-149 -- Code point definition -- open
14:42:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/149
14:42:22 <aphillip> close issue-149
14:42:22 <trackbot> Closed issue-149.
14:42:28 <aphillip> issue-150?
14:42:28 <trackbot> issue-150 -- User agents must not support any other encodings or labels. -- open
14:42:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/150
14:42:43 <aphillip> richard: I'm satisfied on issue-149
14:43:34 <aphillip> richard: 150 is old, perhaps very old
14:44:00 <aphillip> JcK: would declare many interfaces based on GB code to invalid
14:44:20 <aphillip> .... may impact other protocols that depend on other encodings or labels
14:45:07 <aphillip> richard: understand where Anne's coming from
14:45:38 <aphillip> JcK: might merit a SHOULD avoid if at all possible
14:45:57 <aphillip> richard: can you write a follow-up email?
14:47:49 <aphillip> richard: probably need to extend 150
14:47:50 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2012JanMar/0101.html
14:51:57 <Zakim> -fsasaki
14:51:58 <aphillip> addison: encoding may only apply to interpreting bytes
14:52:53 <aphillip> JcK: if there exist Unicode-incompatible encodings "in the wild"
14:53:14 <aphillip> ... patches to support those scripts/encodings/countries may be banned from the internet
15:03:19 <aphillip> addison: may want to suggest explanatory text to accompany the "strong statement"
15:03:38 <aphillip> ... might want to have a separate document we publish that explains
15:03:40 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-choosing-encodings.en
15:04:30 <aphillip> issue-151?
15:04:30 <trackbot> issue-151 -- This algorithm is different from the one defined in section 1.4 of Unicode Technical Standard #22 -- open
15:04:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/151
15:04:59 <aphillip> richard: comment is moot
15:05:05 <aphillip> ... I am satisfied
15:05:08 <aphillip> close issue-151
15:05:08 <trackbot> Closed issue-151.
15:05:16 <aphillip> issue-152?
15:05:16 <trackbot> issue-152 -- New content and formats must exclusively use the utf-8 encoding -- open
15:05:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/152
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15:08:36 <somnath> hi
15:13:19 <aphillip> addison: will write a constructive suggestion about issue-152
15:14:25 <Zakim> -DavidC
15:14:52 <aphillip> richard: extend next week's telecon to get through all items?
15:15:18 <aphillip> JcK: at IETF next week
15:17:40 <aphillip> next week: half hour longer
15:18:11 <aphillip> action: richard: ping martin about test availability and timing
15:18:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-322 - Ping martin about test availability and timing [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-07-24].
15:18:20 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:18:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:19:00 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:19:01 <Zakim> -JcK
15:19:08 <r12a> zakim, drop richard please
15:19:08 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:19:10 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:19:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, JcK, aphillip, [IPcaller], fsasaki, DavidC
15:19:24 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Felix, JcK, DavidC, prashant (via IRC)
15:19:32 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:19:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:19:39 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:19:44 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:19:47 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:19:53 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:19:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:20:35 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:20:35 <Zakim> apparently I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended, aphillip
15:20:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see aphillip, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
15:20:38 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:20:38 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:20:44 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:20:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:20:48 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:20:48 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:20:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JcK: send link to "hamza above" ID to public list [1]
15:20:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-irc#T14-14-25
15:20:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: follow up with prashant on what we discussed about preparing Indic document for FPWD [2]
15:20:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-irc#T14-29-52
15:20:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: ping martin about test availability and timing [3]
15:20:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-irc#T15-18-11