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15:00:53 <janina_> conference code?
15:01:01 <BenjamP> 9274
15:01:06 <ArtB> janina_ code is 9274
15:01:07 <janina_> thanks!
15:04:39 <ArtB> ArtB has changed the topic to: WebAppsWG; Editing TF meeting July 11 @ 11:00 Boston; Agenda = http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0068.html ; PIN = 9274#
15:07:34 <janina_> scribe: janina
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15:07:59 <janina_> ben: schedule follows doc ...
15:08:35 <janina_> ben: section 2in explainer overviews the problem to be solved
15:08:51 <janina_> ben: notes this is his doc, welcoming comments
15:09:10 <janina_> ben: ContentEditable is buggy, needs a fix
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15:09:47 <janina_> ben: full range of editing scenarios complicates this
15:10:12 <janina_> ben: different expectations of editing, e.g. undo
15:11:02 <janina_> ben: sites don't know specific actions from intent
15:11:14 <janina_> ben: e.g. ctrl-a is select all
15:11:26 <janina_> ben: these are the top two issues, we need to solve both
15:12:26 <janina_> ben: if a browser implements an action, but site can't accept it, there's no way for the site to indiciate that
15:12:54 <janina_> ben: so it's hard to understand what's implemented
15:13:27 <janina_> ben: also difficult to create polyfills
15:13:52 <janina_> ben: anyone to add anything here?
15:14:58 <janina_> [crickets]
15:16:28 <janina_> ben: we have wide range of cases around editing
15:19:37 <cyns> http://www.w3.org/TR/indie-ui-events/#RequestEvents
15:21:08 <janina_> action: janina to forward URLs of IndieUI docs
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15:23:27 <janina_> topic: section 5 visualizaion
15:23:47 <cyns> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html
15:23:49 <janina_> s/visualizaion/visualization/
15:24:21 <janina_> ben: today actions and intentions are blurred today
15:25:09 <janina_> ben: a11y tools often have to hack around to handle this
15:25:36 <janina_> ben: main reason is that intentions are not clearly separatable from actions
15:27:08 <janina_> cyns: is describing preferable default browser behavior in scope?
15:27:25 <janina_> ben: perhaps, but needs to be stated more narrowly
15:27:36 <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:27:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-minutes.html janina_
15:28:17 <janina_> cyns: I can help with alt texts for diags
15:28:43 <janina_> ben: contemplating custom ui's for authors to define custom behavior
15:29:14 <janina_> ben: enumerating behaviors for a11y tools is a goal
15:31:04 <janina_> ben: has clipboard events, and also trying to figure out drag and drop
15:31:26 <janina_> ben: working on word/char/etc selection
15:31:43 <janina_> ben: and then concept called command events
15:34:01 <janina_> ben: for editing our first task is solving selection
15:34:46 <janina_> ben: want to begin with no default behavior in the editor
15:34:54 <janina_> ben: phps exception is typing
15:35:05 <janina_> ben: many sites already cancel default editing behavior
15:35:46 <janina_> topic: integrating with more web developers
15:35:58 <janina_> ben: good feedback so far, want more participation
15:36:22 <janina_> julie: was working with medium previous to this effort
15:36:31 <janina_> julie: will contact them re this group
15:36:35 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
15:36:36 <janina_> ben: also at ms
15:36:45 <ArtB> Scribe: Janina
15:36:54 <ArtB> ScribeNick: janina_
15:37:00 <ArtB> Chair: Benjamin
15:37:02 <janina_> cyns: have internal wg in ms where there's a11y impact, can connect
15:37:16 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0068.html
15:37:31 <ArtB> Meeting: Editing API Task Force
15:37:33 <janina_> topic: next steps
15:37:38 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:37:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
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15:38:55 <janina_> julie: looking at 'before input' as well
15:39:17 <janina_> julie: either 'before input' or command, both wouldn't make sense
15:40:32 <ArtB> Present: Benjamin_Peters, Janina_Sajka, Julie_Parent, Cynthia_Shelly
15:40:38 <ArtB> Regrets: Robin_Berjon
15:41:41 <janina_> topic: integrating with indieUI
15:42:37 <janina_> cyns: remember to look at overlap, include keyboard events in that
15:45:14 <janina_> ben: might want to figure which indieui events already cover what's discussed here
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15:48:07 <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-minutes.html janina_
15:50:08 <BenjamP> benjamp will send minutes and summary to 	public-editing-tf@w3.org and public-webapps@w3.org
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