04:34:32 <ivan> ivan has joined #dwbp
11:44:51 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #dwbp
11:44:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-dwbp-irc
11:46:36 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: No zakim IRC bot this week so we're struggling. Please type present+ {your name}. On your phone, use 61# to mute, 60# to unmute
12:38:18 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Weekly
12:38:26 <phila> Chair: Steve
12:38:39 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140711
12:39:09 <phila> Regrets+ Mark Harrison, Hadley Beeman
12:57:25 <antoine> antoine has joined #dwbp
12:58:15 <antoine> present+ antoine
12:58:54 <phila> present+ Phil
13:00:41 <BernadetteLoscio> BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp
13:00:47 <gatemezi> gatemezi has joined #dwbp
13:01:49 <Makx_Dekkers> Makx_Dekkers has joined #dwbp
13:01:53 <adler1> adler1 has joined #DWBP
13:02:00 <adler1> will open the line in a sec
13:02:15 <ericstephan> ericstephan has joined #dwbp
13:02:31 <phila> present+ ericstephan
13:02:39 <gatemezi> present + gatemezi
13:02:46 <EricKauz> EricKauz has joined #dwbp
13:02:54 <phila> present+ Eric Kauz
13:02:55 <WagnerMeiraJr> WagnerMeiraJr has joined #DWBP
13:03:16 <laufer> laufer has joined #dwbp
13:03:16 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp
13:03:47 <ivan> present+ ivan
13:03:58 <adler1> present+ adler1
13:04:47 <laufer> present+ laufer
13:05:00 <EricKauz> present+ EricKauz
13:05:35 <phila> present+ Wagner
13:06:02 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140711
13:06:39 <antoine> the minutes will be at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11 !
13:06:52 <phila> scribe: EricKauz
13:07:10 <antoine> minutes last call: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-27
13:07:37 <phila> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 27 June
13:07:54 <yaso> yaso has joined #dwbp
13:08:01 <yaso> d4d
13:08:12 <phila> +1
13:08:13 <adler1> +1
13:08:17 <antoine> +1
13:08:20 <newton> +1
13:08:30 <yaso> +1
13:08:32 <ericstephan> +1
13:08:33 <laufer> +1
13:08:36 <phila> APPROVED: Approve minutes from 27 June
13:09:06 <phila> present+ Yaso
13:09:33 <yaso> ¬¬
13:10:29 <phila> General discussion about the World Cup situation. Let the record show the scoreline of Germany 7, Brazil 1
13:10:58 <nathalia> nathalia has joined #dwbp
13:11:09 <nathalia> yaso has nathalia
13:11:12 <phila> Topic: August schedule
13:11:18 <phila> present+ Nathalia
13:11:24 <EricKauz> ericstephan: smaller working groups having intense conversations, DWBP becoming checklist call.
13:11:24 <newton> yaso has newton
13:11:47 <newton> present+ newton
13:11:53 <phila> adler1: These calls have become a checklist monitoring session, given that a lot of work is being done in the task forces
13:11:56 <EricKauz> Do we need to have these calls weel;y
13:12:27 <jerdeb> jerdeb has joined #DWBP
13:12:29 <phila> PROPOSAL: Move these Friday calls to every 2 weeks
13:12:57 <jerdeb> present +jerdeb
13:13:27 <phila> ericstephan: spoke in support of moving to bi-weekly
13:13:36 <Caroline_> Caroline_ has joined #DWBP
13:13:40 <phila> antoine: I think these calls are useful to discuss the UCR
13:13:40 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues
13:13:43 <newton> yaso has Caroline_
13:13:50 <phila> ... there's still not much to build the vocabularies on
13:14:00 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_ }
13:14:02 <phila> ... we had some good discussion when the FPWD of the UCR was submitted
13:14:11 <phila> adler1: OK
13:14:13 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_
13:14:31 <yaso_> yaso_ has joined #dwbp
13:15:03 <phila> laufer: I think you're right that we have akind of checklist in each call, but when we do have discussions, they are very interesting
13:15:11 <CarlosIglesias> CarlosIglesias has joined #dwbp
13:15:15 <EricKauz> laufer:  when we have discussions they are interesting, if every two weeks not enought time to discuss
13:15:16 <phila> ... I think a call every 2 weeks means we'll have even less time for interesting discussions
13:15:31 <phila> adler1: I actually agree with both you, Laufer and Antoine
13:15:43 <phila> ... I agree that the intellectual discussions are enjoyable
13:16:06 <phila> ... but we did the checklist to create an organisational behaviour of achievement - and that seems to have succeeded
13:16:18 <phila> ... you've all become very good at making progress
13:16:44 <phila> adler1: Are you able to maintain that momentum on vocabs and BPs?
13:16:48 <EricKauz> adler1: can we take the aggregate checklist and move them into the task force teames
13:17:12 <EricKauz> adler1: use the dwbp calls to talk on how they fit together
13:17:27 <gatemezi> s/teames/teams
13:18:06 <EricKauz> phila: worries about momentum. over next few months people go into semi-mute mode, meet once a month etc. hard to get it going again.
13:19:05 <EricKauz> phila: too much of friday call is actions and issues. we should time box, issues and actions limited amount of time (20 min). bulk of meeting intellectual things, may achieve what we want
13:20:06 <EricKauz> laufer: momentum is ingrained behavior, can the perpetuate this behavior within individual work groups. group check every other week, interval call for guidance
13:20:39 <EricKauz> laufer: interval call focus on a single issue and every other week for checklist.
13:21:03 <laufer> eric, steve is talking not me
13:21:16 <EricKauz> phila: concern is that people will not show up.
13:21:34 <phila> s/not show up/only show up to every other week/
13:22:20 <laufer> s/laufer: momentum/steve: momentum/
13:22:28 <phila> present+ Carlos Iglesias, Newton
13:22:32 <EricKauz> ericstephan: for people not engaged in subgroups, will there be a sense of alienation or loss of momentum
13:22:55 <laufer> s/laufer: interval/steve: interval/
13:23:37 <EricKauz> ericstephan: there was an example of someone who is not in group, (didnt catch name)
13:24:17 <EricKauz> adler1: should do poll regarding who is not on any subteams.
13:26:00 <EricKauz> ericstephan: summer schedule puts pressure on us to have a certain momentum going into august for face to face, that we are working on things that matter.
13:26:27 <yaso> +1 to Steve
13:26:33 <ericstephan> +1
13:26:42 <antoine> +1
13:27:39 <EricKauz> phila: suggestion, here is what we have been doing session is valuable, but similar to structure in weekly team meetings.  sessions include what have we been up to.
13:28:04 <EricKauz> phila: report on what people have been doing, spurs discussion. everyone has ability for input.
13:28:45 <phila> present+ Makx
13:28:48 <EricKauz> phila:  then do updates. need to set target for what we will achieve post tpac, which will help set agendas for meetings before.
13:29:32 <EricKauz> phila: some meetings to reports, some issues and actions, if group wants focus on issues then can change.
13:30:07 <EricKauz> laufer: ? are we managing tasks within each work group effectively.
13:30:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio - are you happy to take care of issues and actions within the task force rather than here in the weekly calls?
13:30:26 <EricKauz> ... teams managing action items.
13:30:55 <laufer> EricK, it is adler1 that is talking
13:31:11 <EricKauz> sorry, american accents are confusing
13:31:56 <phila> PROPOSAL: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders
13:32:13 <adler1> +1
13:32:17 <ericstephan> +1
13:32:18 <laufer> s/laufer: ?/adler1: ?/
13:32:21 <gatemezi> +1
13:32:24 <adler1> yes we will still discuss everything in emails
13:32:26 <Caroline_> +1
13:32:27 <laufer> +1
13:32:28 <newton> +1
13:32:34 <EricKauz> +1
13:32:39 <phila> RESOLVED: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders
13:32:46 <antoine> +1
13:33:27 <phila> PROPOSAL: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion
13:33:37 <EricKauz> adler1: do not need to run through entire list, need to talk about what we havent done. what are we having problems with
13:34:09 <EricKauz> adler: team leaders are responsible.
13:34:23 <gatemezi> s/adler/adler1
13:34:40 <EricKauz> ericstephan: editors are co-leads
13:34:55 <phila> Vocab leads are Bernadette, Ereic S, Antoine and Bert
13:35:05 <EricKauz> phila: who is bp lead
13:35:12 <phila> BernadetteLoscio - you're BP lead, right?
13:35:52 <EricKauz> adler1: should we update the wiki with team leads
13:35:58 <phila> I'll update the wiki afer the call on the leaders
13:37:42 <EricKauz> phila: need someone to physically write it, and ask for help when they are issues, asking diedre
13:38:24 <adler1> +1
13:38:39 <ericstephan> +1
13:38:40 <gatemezi> +1
13:38:42 <EricKauz> +1
13:38:43 <jerdeb> +1
13:38:44 <Caroline_> +1
13:38:48 <laufer> +1
13:38:53 <phila> RESOLVED: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion
13:38:55 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:39:30 <EricKauz> adler1: two calls a month to talk about cool stuff, who has ideas,
13:39:34 <phila> adler1: Who has a cool idea for next week? (One of our every other week cool stuff calls)
13:39:53 <gatemezi> s/Ereic /ericstephan
13:40:03 <EricKauz> adler1: would be good to have a queue of things to talk about, two weeks before.
13:40:40 <EricKauz> ericstephan: opportunities for invited experts to give their perspective
13:41:10 <EricKauz> phila: keith Jeffery (sp) background on meta data
13:42:17 <EricKauz> phila: background in scientific research, subject is metadata and vocabularies
13:42:40 <EricKauz> phila: will be useful addition to group.
13:43:15 <EricKauz> adler1: would having Keith speak be something we want to do?
13:43:56 <EricKauz> adler1: would it be interest to see what csv group is doing?
13:44:11 <EricKauz> ericstephan: agrees
13:44:15 <EricKauz> phila: agrees
13:44:58 <EricKauz> phila: for it as long as it does not slow us down.
13:45:47 <EricKauz> phila: needs to organize presentation from workshop "shared psi" and share with this group. commercial use of public sector information
13:46:24 <EricKauz> adler1: three items, allocate one call to what people are struggling with.
13:47:04 <EricKauz> adler1: what structure should we use to decide topics?  next week we should try delegate checklists, come foward with action items.
13:47:26 <EricKauz> adler1: is everyone cool with that.
13:47:50 <EricKauz> adler1: gives two weeks for keith to prepare for talk
13:48:40 <EricKauz> adler1: checklist next friday, keith will be week after that.
13:49:06 <EricKauz> adler1: based on this meeting keeping all meetings, change agenda of every other meeting.
13:49:34 <ivan> just was kicked out of the phone...
13:49:41 <EricKauz> phila: a week or two where w3c member will not be available.
13:49:42 <ivan> I am back on the week of the 11th
13:50:26 <EricKauz> phila: either on holiday or travelling all of august.
13:50:57 <EricKauz> adler1: is everyone registered for tpac.
13:51:06 <EricKauz> most people on call have not registered.
13:51:08 <EricKauz> yet
13:51:34 <EricKauz> phila: so far just one participant and two observers.
13:52:12 <EricKauz> phila: if coming, please register soon, space is limited, if coming please register soon.
13:52:30 <EricKauz> phila: do not want to lose the room.
13:52:35 <phila> TPAC https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/
13:52:47 <EricKauz> adler1: do we need to put together agenda now
13:52:59 <EricKauz> phila: no need yet.
13:53:20 <gatemezi> Regarding TPAC, I will follow you remotely..
13:53:37 <EricKauz> phila: a tradition at w3c event is to play werewolf. :)
13:54:39 <EricKauz> adler1: wishing everyone a wonderful weekend.
13:54:51 <laufer> nice weekend for all
13:54:56 <nathalia> bye
13:54:57 <laufer> bye
13:54:57 <newton> bye
13:54:58 <adler1> ciao
13:55:02 <jerdeb> bye
13:55:12 <BernadetteLoscio> bye
13:55:15 <ericstephan> bye
13:55:15 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public
13:55:16 <WagnerMeiraJr> bye
13:55:33 <WagnerMeiraJr> WagnerMeiraJr has left #dwbp
13:57:37 <yaso_> yaso_ has joined #dwbp
13:57:47 <CarlosIglesias> quit
14:00:03 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp
14:01:03 <newton_> newton_ has joined #dwbp
14:01:56 <Caroline_> Caroline_ has left #dwbp
14:52:56 <yaso> yaso has joined #dwbp
15:24:14 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp
15:36:10 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp
15:58:30 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp
16:22:20 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp
16:25:01 <yaso> yaso has joined #dwbp
16:25:05 <yaso> yaso has left #dwbp
18:26:03 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp
19:03:03 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp