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14:01:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:01:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:01:33 <trackbot> Date: 10 July 2014
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14:08:47 <glenn__> trackbot, end meeting
14:08:47 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:08:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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14:08:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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14:09:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:09:19 <trackbot> Date: 10 July 2014
14:16:39 <nigel> Present: Courtney Kennedy, Jerry Smith, Glenn Adams, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
14:16:48 <nigel> Present+ Nigel Megitt
14:17:29 <nigel> scribeNick: nigel
14:18:45 <nigel> topic: Geneva F2F
14:18:58 <nigel> Attendance survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TTWG_Geneva_F2F_Planning/
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14:20:21 <nigel> nigel: agenda and wiki page is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/geneva2014
14:20:37 <plh> Present+ Plh
14:22:13 <nigel> close action-294
14:22:13 <trackbot> Closed action-294.
14:22:59 <nigel> nigel: Note that the survey is open to the Text Tracks Community Group too.
14:23:28 <nigel> ... We need to work out a working model since the expertise on WebVTT resides mainly in the TTCG even though there's a WebVTT Rec track in this group.
14:26:43 <nigel> topic: Issues
14:26:46 <nigel> issue-309?
14:26:46 <trackbot> issue-309 -- Image profile needs to permit text equivalent -- pending review
14:26:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/309
14:27:04 <nigel> action-301?
14:27:04 <trackbot> action-301 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Contact w3c accessibility expert re issue-309 -- due 2014-06-26 -- OPEN
14:27:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/301
14:28:10 <nigel> plh: I talked to our accessibility expert and he's looking into it and will bring it to the media subgroup of the accessibility task force on Monday.
14:28:21 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jul/0009.html
14:28:29 <plh> Media Sub-Group
14:29:04 <nigel> ... above is the agenda for last week. He's going to include it in next agenda. Anyone interested in attending that call? 10am US Eastern Time, 7am Pacific, 3pm UK time.
14:29:24 <nigel> pal: Participation from this group is necessary to represent the issue.
14:29:47 <nigel> pal: I'm happy to participate and would like to know the agenda.
14:31:43 <nigel> plh: describes the topic [scribe misses details]. Will add pal and nigel to the agenda reception list.
14:32:50 <nigel> close action-301
14:32:50 <trackbot> Closed action-301.
14:33:52 <nigel> nigel: There's been a lot of email discussion and proposed text on Issue-309 - I propose to address this after Monday's meeting.
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14:34:11 <nigel> pal: I don't see much obstacle in adopting John's proposal.
14:36:31 <tmichel> Hi, sorry I am really late ...
14:37:00 <tmichel> was editing a document and miss the timing.
14:37:53 <tmichel> yes and IRC bot does not work ..
14:40:11 <tmichel> rrsagent,draft minutes
14:40:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/10-tt-minutes.html tmichel
14:41:29 <nigel> pal: The next step is for me to take a stab at editing the document today or tomorrow.
14:41:52 <nigel> issue-317?
14:41:52 <trackbot> issue-317 -- IMSC should not require frame alignment -- open
14:41:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/317
14:43:40 <nigel> nigel: We seem to have a debate about the relative importance of quantising to encoded frames vs allowing the presentation processor to quantise as late as possible to display frames.
14:50:20 <nigel> nigel: has missed the debate for scribing due to technical issues
14:55:59 <glenn__> q+
14:56:17 <nigel> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml-ww-profiles/ttml-ww-profiles.html#synchronization
14:57:59 <nigel> ack glenn
14:58:32 <nigel> glenn: on the 2nd sentence of synchronisation SHALL is not the right word - it's a definition rather than a mandate.
14:59:13 <nigel> ... Under Example 1 the sentence "If ttp:frameRate is specified, then the product of ttp:frameRate and ttp:frameRateMultiplier shall be the frame rate of the related video object."
15:00:35 <nigel> ... this does not say what the behaviour of the IMSC processor is if this condition is not met - fallback rules or 'abort processing' type rules should be specified.
15:01:30 <nigel> ... point 1 again: Instead of "A media time expression M shall correspond... " it should say "A media time expression M corresponds..."
15:02:58 <nigel> glenn: If we leave it to the implementation then the semantics are incomplete for processors. We have some generic language in TTML that may be relevant.
15:03:06 <nigel> pal: Okay I'll reuse that wording.
15:04:03 <nigel> pal: I'll integrate John Birch's text in 309 and change the wording for 317 too and make a stab at showing that there's flexibility in terms of the related media object.
15:04:54 <plh> regrets for next week
15:05:09 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:05:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/10-tt-minutes.html tmichel
15:05:09 <tmichel> bye.
15:05:11 <nigel> nigel: adjourns meeting
15:05:38 <nigel> chair: nigel
15:05:43 <nigel> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:05:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/10-tt-minutes.html nigel