20:06:48 RRSAgent has joined #indie-ui 20:06:48 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/09-indie-ui-irc 20:06:50 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:06:50 Zakim has joined #indie-ui 20:06:52 Zakim, this will be INDIE 20:06:52 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM scheduled to start in 54 minutes 20:06:53 Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference 20:06:53 Date: 09 July 2014 20:07:21 agenda? 20:07:25 Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference 20:07:25 Chair: Janina_Sajka 20:07:25 agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes 20:07:25 agenda+ TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ 20:07:25 agenda+ Related Web Apps Activity http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html 20:07:28 agenda+ User Context Requirements 20:07:30 agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3 20:07:33 agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2 20:07:36 agenda+ Other Business 20:07:39 agenda+ Be Done 20:27:19 agenda? 20:54:48 WAI_Indie()5:00PM has now started 20:54:55 +??P0 20:55:00 zakim, ??P0 is me 20:55:00 +janina_; got it 20:58:06 jasonjgw has joined #indie-ui 20:58:19 +??P1 20:58:37 +Katie_Haritos-Shea 20:59:42 zakim ??p1 is jasonjgw 21:00:07 kurosawa has joined #indie-ui 21:00:16 zakim, ??p1 is jasonjgw 21:00:16 +jasonjgw; got it 21:00:23 +??P3 21:01:00 zakim, ??P3 is me 21:01:00 +kurosawa; got it 21:02:16 +??P4 21:04:27 zakim, ??P4 is Michael_Cooper 21:04:27 +Michael_Cooper; got it 21:07:43 zakim, who's here? 21:07:43 On the phone I see janina_, jasonjgw, Katie_Haritos-Shea, kurosawa, Michael_Cooper 21:07:46 On IRC I see kurosawa, jasonjgw, Zakim, RRSAgent, smaug, eeejay, hober, janina_, MichaelC, trackbot 21:08:15 scribe: jasonjgw 21:08:23 zakim, next item 21:08:23 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina_] 21:08:32 zakim, clost this item 21:08:32 I don't understand 'clost this item', janina_ 21:08:35 zakim, next item 21:08:35 agendum 1 was just opened, janina_ 21:08:43 zakim, close item 1 21:08:43 agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed 21:08:44 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 21:08:44 2. TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ [from janina_] 21:08:47 zakim, next item 21:08:47 agendum 2. "TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/" taken up [from janina_] 21:09:36 Janina notes that TPAC 2014 registration is open and we are expecting business to conduct at the meeting. 21:09:48 zakim, next item 21:09:48 agendum 3. "Related Web Apps Activity http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html" taken up [from janina_] 21:11:06 +[Microsoft] 21:11:08 Web Apps and another group, Janina notes, have started working on content editing and have expressed interest in collaborating with us in connection with events. 21:14:22 Cynthia: The Web Apps working group has noted difficulties associated with having Web developers respond to low-level events. The proposal is to allow applications to define their own events. There is overlap between the events they have proposed and those in the IndieUI spec. Web Apps are aware of this overlap and have an interest in cooperation. 21:16:16 Responding to Katie, Cynthia isn't sure what the best arrangement for collaboration would be - this remains to be decided. 21:18:53 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2014Jun/0021.html FW: Editing TF and list 21:19:45 Cynthia: Web Apps meeting 11 July at 1500 UTC. 21:20:01 cyns has joined #indie-ui 21:20:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-editing-tf/2014Jul/0008.html 21:20:39 +Cooper 21:21:49 Janina can possibly attend the meeting and notes the desirability of collaborating to solve this problem. Janina notes that accessibility is far from the only use case for abstract events, and we are eager for wider participation, noting the historical (but not current) participation of the Web Events working group. 21:22:31 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jul/0013.html 21:22:40 http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html 21:22:49 s/http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jul/0013.html// 21:24:20 Cynthia notes related work on keyboard events of which we ought to be aware. 21:25:26 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #indie-ui 21:26:02 +Rich_Schwerdtfeger 21:26:06 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2014AprJun/0213.html 21:26:11 -Cooper 21:26:22 ack me 21:28:15 Responding to questions, Cynthia notes that it's partly concerned with function keys (home, end, delete, etc.). 21:28:20 +Katie_Haritos-Shea.a 21:28:34 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 21:30:10 Rich notes that our events are even more abstract, but acknowledges the overlap with our work and the significance of portability. 21:30:33 Janina notes also that there is interest in controlling media players. 21:33:23 Replying to Rich, Cynthia clarifies that the content editing events are intended to be independent of the input device used. 21:34:33 Cynthia notes that input methods are evolving rapidly, hence abstractly defined events are of growing importance. 21:36:18 Janina is concerned that we should continue working our spec toward a version 1.0 release, but also recognizes the value of real-world implementation and experience. Thus we should collaborate with minimal impact on the process schedule. 21:38:47 Janina is encouraged by the wider interest which the need to work on events is now attracting. 21:38:57 scribe: MichaelC 21:40:23 -[Microsoft] 21:40:28 -jasonjgw 21:40:31 ack me 21:40:41 zakim, next item 21:40:41 agendum 4. "User Context Requirements" taken up [from janina_] 21:41:22 -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/User_Context/Requirements User Context Draft Requirements 21:43:13 Requirements doc on TR doesn´t yet have user context requirements 21:45:16 need to add them and republish that 21:45:58 not sure what in the requirements doc is 1.0 21:46:00 and what is later 21:46:03 Andy did some triaging 21:46:20 we had some algorithm for that 21:46:26 we haven´t discussed these for a while 21:48:25 what´s in the spec represents a view of requirements 21:49:32 we have agreed implicitly to the requirements behind what´s in the spec 21:50:48 the requirements are pretty 1:1 with the proposed properties 21:52:00 smaug has joined #indie-ui 21:52:48 a higher level view of requirements would help decide how to sort topics 21:53:08 might require a walk-through with the group 21:53:52 still open question about how much we want to incorporate existing external vocabularies 21:53:58 vs. constrain what we ask of implementers 21:55:34 extensibility mechanism may or may not be part of the picture 22:00:48 -Rich_Schwerdtfeger 22:00:50 -Katie_Haritos-Shea.a 22:01:22 -Michael_Cooper 22:01:24 -janina_ 22:01:37 -kurosawa 22:01:38 zakim, list attendees 22:01:39 WAI_Indie()5:00PM has ended 22:01:39 Attendees were janina_, Katie_Haritos-Shea, jasonjgw, kurosawa, Michael_Cooper, [Microsoft], Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger 22:01:39 sorry, MichaelC, I don't know what conference this is 22:01:43 rrsagent, make minutes 22:01:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/09-indie-ui-minutes.html MichaelC