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14:17:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 43 minutes
14:17:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:17:40 <trackbot> Date: 07 July 2014
14:17:48 <ivan> Chair: Liza
14:18:14 <ivan> Regrets: Vlad, Laura_Dawson
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14:23:12 <ivan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jul/0011.html
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14:58:19 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:58:19 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:58:20 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:58:50 <Zakim> + +1.617.439.aabb
14:58:54 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is AH_Miller
14:58:54 <Zakim> +AH_Miller; got it
14:59:02 <liza> zakim, aabb is me
14:59:02 <Zakim> +liza; got it
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14:59:37 <Karen> zakim, code?
14:59:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen
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14:59:49 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
14:59:54 <dauwhe> Zakim, aacc is me
14:59:54 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
15:00:05 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Luc
15:00:05 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
15:00:07 <Zakim> +duga
15:00:10 <Zakim> +liza.a
15:00:14 <Zakim> + +1.617.858.aaee
15:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.408.979.aaff
15:00:30 <liza> Bizarro Liza?
15:00:35 <Zakim> + +1.206.675.aagg
15:00:37 <pkra> pkra is aaee
15:00:43 <ivan> zakim, liza.a is dkaplan
15:00:43 <Zakim> +dkaplan; got it
15:00:43 <astearns_> zakim, aagg is me
15:00:44 <Zakim> +astearns_; got it
15:00:54 <ivan> zakim, aaee is pkra
15:00:54 <Zakim> +pkra; got it
15:00:57 <clapierre> zakium, 1.408.979.aaff is Charles
15:00:58 <Zakim> + +1.217.300.aahh
15:01:26 <Zakim> +??P10
15:01:40 <Karen> Ayla Stein, University of Illinois
15:01:51 <ivan> zakim, aahh is astein
15:01:51 <Zakim> +astein; got it
15:02:00 <clapierre> zakim, 1.408.979.aaff is clapierre
15:02:00 <Zakim> sorry, clapierre, I do not recognize a party named '1.408.979.aaff'
15:02:01 <murakami> zakim, +??P10 is me
15:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, murakami, I do not recognize a party named '+??P10'
15:02:09 <murakami> zakim, ??P10 is me
15:02:09 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
15:02:21 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, Ivan, liza, dauwhe, Luc, Karen_Myers, duga, dkaplan, pkra, +1.408.979.aaff, astearns_, astein, murakami
15:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see murakami, brady_duga, liza, Luc, AH_Miller, astein, tmichel, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot
15:02:39 <Zakim> +??P2
15:02:43 <ivan> zakim, aaff is clapierre
15:02:43 <Zakim> +clapierre; got it
15:02:59 <tmichel> zakim, ??P2 is me
15:02:59 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
15:03:09 <Karen> Ivan: We are all set now
15:03:16 <Karen> Liza: Karen volunteered to scribe
15:03:19 <Karen> Chair: Liza
15:03:20 <ivan> scribenick: Karen
15:03:36 <Karen> Liza: First, let's approve last week's minutes. Are there any objections?
15:03:41 <Karen> …hearing none, minute approved
15:03:47 <Karen> …Today likely not the full hour call
15:03:57 <Karen> …We will get an update from the Accessibility Task Force
15:04:10 <Karen> …And before we go on break, I would love to hear from that group about what they will be doing
15:04:20 <Karen> …and about any other work happening during the summer months
15:04:30 <Karen> …Any volunteers [to give the update]?
15:04:36 <Karen> …Or shall I choose someone?
15:05:03 <Karen> Deborah: We [Acces. TF] have not actually gotten together in the last month, so there is not a lot to say
15:05:16 <Karen> …Gerardo has left, and I'm not sure if we have a replacement 'fearless leader'
15:05:19 <Karen> …We have to fix that
15:05:23 <Karen> …Anyone want to speak up?
15:05:31 <Karen> …We will send email to find a replacemen
15:05:33 <Karen> t
15:05:47 <Karen> Liza; Who came in from Benetech for Gerardo
15:05:53 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aaii
15:05:54 <Karen> Deborah: Charles LaPierre
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15:06:04 <Karen> …may not be a bad thing; could be a clean slate
15:06:15 <Karen> …Maybe we can spend this time reviewing the overall IG has talked about
15:06:26 <Karen> …a lot of our work touches on Accessibility so I'd like to hear about some of the gaps
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15:06:35 <fjh> zakim, code?
15:06:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
15:06:41 <Karen> …that perhaps this group could cover; areas such as styling and markup, etc.
15:06:52 <Karen> …or areas where we need to be looking at Accessibility
15:07:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:07:06 <Karen> …What Charles can bring is knowledge about what rest of group has been looking at
15:07:07 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:07:07 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:07:12 <Karen> …might be able to help answer that question
15:07:20 <Karen> …Another thing we did talk about
15:07:23 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
15:07:32 <Karen> …with Richard, we talked about a possible WAI TF under Protocols and Formats
15:07:37 <Karen> …to create a subteam responsible
15:07:44 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:07:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, Ivan, liza, dauwhe, Luc, Karen_Myers, duga, dkaplan, pkra, clapierre, astearns_, astein, murakami (muted), tmichel, +1.734.904.aaii, fjh
15:07:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, fjh, murakami, brady_duga, liza, Luc, AH_Miller, astein, tmichel, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam,
15:07:47 <Zakim> ... dkaplan, trackbot
15:07:48 <Karen> …for creating an EPUB structural semantics module
15:07:57 <Karen> …in the way ARIA  TF is looking at ebook
15:08:01 <Karen> …and ebook mappings guide
15:08:12 <Karen> …I dropped the ball on moving that forward; need to pick up
15:08:23 <Karen> …Possibility that David @ maybe interested in being a facilitator?
15:08:30 <Karen> …That is kind of where the group stood when we spoke a month ago
15:08:38 <Karen> …Would love if anyone can bring up anything I missed
15:08:48 <Karen> …We need to reorganize and pick someone to herd the cats after the break
15:08:51 <Karen> …So we have a plan
15:09:10 <Karen> …Sounds like what Liza said is that the first part of the plan is to do a gap analysis and see where the whole in the plan are
15:09:16 <Karen> …regarding the wider group
15:09:23 <Karen> Charles: I agree with you; that is fine
15:09:34 <Karen> …I would love to become the fearless leader once I understand more
15:09:38 <ivan> q+
15:09:40 <Karen> …or that can be done in another meeting
15:09:56 <Karen> Liza: other outstanding issues, Ivan?
15:09:57 <Karen> ack Ivan
15:10:12 <Karen> Ivan: I look at all that the group should do; and how to organize is a separate question
15:10:23 <Karen> …First, this discussion with PF on structural semantics is important
15:10:25 <Karen> …for the TF
15:10:30 <Karen> …which at the moment is dormant
15:10:40 <Karen> …on long term this is one of the urgent things we should do
15:10:51 <Karen> …A bit of an outsider of PF, but what I would like to understand
15:11:00 <Karen> …Not sure if you can find out from Richard
15:11:11 <Karen> …What is the formal mechanism to define new values for the role attribute
15:11:19 <Karen> …for whatever purpose we decide to use it for
15:11:27 <Karen> …My big question marks are two-fold
15:11:44 <Karen> …one is the role attributes here has been considered for values and usage that are not necessarily Accessibility related
15:11:52 <Karen> …May be values for replacing the EPUB type
15:11:58 <Karen> …which are not nec. Accessibilty
15:12:03 <Karen> …not sure how this group would react on that
15:12:08 <Karen> …This is a specific question to clarify
15:12:12 <Karen> …The other big question mark I have
15:12:15 <Karen> …is more social
15:12:26 <Karen> …There is an interplay between the PF and the HTML5 WG
15:12:34 <Karen> …which I want to understand
15:12:47 <Karen> …If a specific value is accepted by PF, for electronic books or publication
15:13:04 <Karen> …are those values automatically accepted by the HTML5 WG; would the HTML5 validator accept them?
15:13:15 <Karen> …Or do we need a second round for acceptance? I don't know
15:13:30 <Karen> …There are very specific questions for which I have not received answers
15:13:40 <Karen> …if this TF could close these issues in a positive way, that would be really great
15:13:50 <Karen> …Because then the whole process of semantics would be the focus
15:14:02 <Karen> Liza: I think the group is looking for specific things to work on
15:14:07 <Karen> Ivan: This is one thing
15:14:16 <Karen> …I don't know if there is any reaction on these questions
15:14:26 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:14:30 <Karen> Luc: How could we make it moving with the people taking care of the role attribute today?
15:14:44 <Karen> Ivan: I thought that there is a plan to have a or several meetings with the PF people
15:14:50 <Karen> …Unfortunately one thing that did happen
15:15:05 <Karen> …One of people I talked to, who is member of W3C Staff, may take another job
15:15:22 <Karen> …But having one or several meetings with not only Richard but also staff contact for Protocols and Formats WG
15:15:31 <Karen> …to have a series of meetings and make these things clear and written down
15:15:38 <Karen> …Not sure if this can be done in July with vacations
15:15:43 <Karen> Luc: way to do it is to have this meeting
15:15:47 <Karen> Ivan: yes
15:15:52 <Karen> Liza: Who can set that up?
15:16:10 <Karen> Ivan: I don't really have contact with them; I will be on vacations for next several weeks
15:16:24 <Karen> …if it shifts to August, I can set it up then, but not before
15:16:44 <Karen> Liza: A fixed time in the future is better than nothing
15:16:54 <Karen> Ivan: Thierry, are you around in July?
15:16:59 <Karen> Thierry: yes
15:17:17 <Karen> Ivan: one possibility is that you talk to the staff contact on that group and try to get that meeting set up
15:17:32 <Karen> Bill Kasdorf: It would be valuable to have Markus on that call; he is on vacation in July
15:17:42 <Karen> Ivan: Liza is right, keeping things running is also important
15:17:47 <Karen> …whoever is around
15:17:51 <Karen> …that would be good
15:18:02 <clapierre> q+
15:18:08 <Karen> ..we are running around this question for what to do with structural semantics for 2-3 months now
15:18:11 <liza> ack Bill
15:18:15 <Karen> …we know general direciton, but not sure if we can have it
15:18:16 <Karen> ack Bill
15:18:21 <Karen> Bill: quick comment on issues
15:18:30 <Karen> …some we are looking at are not spec Access. issues
15:18:42 <Karen> …but anything involving structural semantics is important to Accessibility
15:18:50 <liza> ack clapierre
15:18:52 <Karen> Bill: that would be our case to be made for why it's important
15:18:57 <Karen> Ivan: yes, not sure if that was the case
15:19:06 <Karen> Charles: I go on vacation for next 3 weeks
15:19:09 <Karen> …back last week of July
15:19:21 <Karen> Ivan: I return in mid-August
15:19:25 <Karen> Charles: Early August is fine
15:19:33 <Karen> Ivan: Let's see if Thierry can get the ball rolling
15:19:38 <ivan> q+
15:19:48 <liza> ack Ivan
15:19:49 <Karen> Action: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange meeting
15:19:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Contact pf staff contact to arrange meeting [on Thierry Michel - due 2014-07-14].
15:20:07 <Karen> Ivan: Other thing I was asking myself all along, without knowing details, for which I apologize
15:20:13 <Karen> …WAI has many documents
15:20:27 <Karen> …question I am asking, is are the documents all right for digital publishing?
15:20:38 <Karen> …Are they applicable or not; are there things not covered by those documents?
15:20:39 <dkaplan> q+
15:20:45 <Karen> …Having a review of the Authoring Tools
15:20:55 <Karen> …the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines
15:20:57 <liza> ack dkaplan
15:21:01 <Karen> …I don't know whether or not they are complete
15:21:05 <Karen> ack Deborah
15:21:21 <Karen> Deborah: I am hearing what Liza was suggesting is to do a gap analysis of the WAI guidelines
15:21:32 <Karen> …are there missing guidelines for digpub; is that the same idea?
15:21:34 <Karen> Ivan: yes
15:21:40 <clapierre> 1+
15:21:44 <Karen> Deborah: That seems like a very good project for the Accessibility group
15:22:07 <Karen> Ivan: yes, to "criticize what W3C provides"
15:22:13 <Karen> …so who, when, where, and what
15:22:22 <Karen> Liza: This may give you some time to work on this
15:22:38 <Karen> Deborah: Having the task of reading through all of the WAI guidelines
15:23:00 <Karen> …also seems like a good task for W3C to be doing periodically anyone; and what has changed in the overarching environment to keep that fresh
15:23:04 <Karen> …I think that is a very good idea
15:23:09 <Karen> Ivan: yes, I think so
15:23:14 <Karen> …It is probably a good idea
15:23:37 <Karen> …to get into contact with Shawn Henry, staff contact for these documents on the W3C team
15:23:48 <Karen> …they may have some planning and timelines; which ones to look at first, tec.
15:23:53 <Karen> s/tec, etc.
15:23:59 <Karen> …not sure if you have had contact before
15:24:16 <Karen> Deborah: I have spoken with her before
15:24:23 <Karen> …I don't mind reaching out to Shawn
15:24:31 <Karen> Ivan: check with her about their planning
15:24:34 <Karen> Deborah: Sounds good
15:24:43 <clapierre> q+
15:24:45 <Karen> Liza: Anything more, Ivan?
15:25:00 <Karen> ack Charles
15:25:10 <liza> ack clapierre
15:25:19 <Karen> Charles: Are there links to the guidelines; and is UA same guidelines?
15:25:25 <Karen> Ivan: Let me look
15:25:40 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/guid-tech.html
15:26:04 <Karen> Ivan: Here is one place I know which lists the various documents. If you go there, the top three are the main documents that have been produced by W3C
15:26:11 <Karen> …And the reason I refer to them
15:26:22 <Karen> …Accessibility being as it is; mainly WCAG
15:26:41 <Karen> …that one has been part of some official regulations in different countries; those are pretty widely used documents
15:26:48 <Karen> …Web content is how you build your pages
15:26:53 <Karen> …and what to be careful about
15:27:09 <Karen> …Authoring Tools accessibility guidelines may be less important for this group, but I may be wrong
15:27:19 <Karen> …User Agent Accessibility guidelines was done in view of browsers
15:27:26 <Karen> …but same documents should be usable for reading systems
15:27:43 <Karen> …There again, there may be things missing or some issues there to be driven back to reading systems developers
15:28:02 <Karen> …I would think that WCAG and UAG require a pretty good review right now, depending upon the group's timing
15:28:05 <Karen> Charles: Great
15:28:20 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/ WCAG 2.0
15:28:22 <Karen> Liza: Is that enough of a punch list?
15:28:27 <Karen> Deborah: That seems pretty good to me
15:28:35 <Karen> …I am also putting out a bulleted list
15:28:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/ UAAG1.0
15:28:39 <Karen> …to mail to WAI group
15:28:44 <Karen> …please send to me
15:28:52 <Karen> Liza: Good to send to the entire IG
15:28:55 <Karen> Ivan: I agree
15:28:59 <Zakim> -duga
15:29:00 <Karen> …there may be something else
15:29:05 <clapierre> yes I do
15:29:16 <Karen> …Gerardo and a colleague of ours, Doug Schepers, have begun to work more seriously on SVG accessibility issues
15:29:23 <Karen> …that is much more vague; there is no final document
15:29:39 <Karen> …but with SVG coming to the fore for fixed-layout books, for example, that might be important here
15:29:44 <Karen> …But I don't know where we are with that
15:29:48 <Karen> …Maybe Gerardo knows
15:29:58 <Karen> …Looking at that from publications POV could be interesting
15:30:09 <Karen> Charles: Gerardo mentioned them to me; to read up on this
15:30:16 <Karen> …could have Accessibility implications
15:30:18 <Karen> Ivan: yes
15:30:25 <Karen> ..I think that is all I have, Liza
15:30:40 <Karen> Liza: We don't have to decide what the next call will be about, but we will go on hiatus until when?
15:30:46 <Karen> Ivan: I think we said 11 August
15:30:57 <Karen> Liza: Sounds like Accessibility group will have some things to report then
15:31:07 <Karen> Ivan; [laughs] they will have everything done!
15:31:18 <Karen> Liza: We'll continue talking amongst ourselves for the next group meeting
15:31:22 <Karen> …I have nothing further
15:31:30 <Karen> …other than to wish people happy vacations
15:31:37 <Karen> Liza: See you in August!
15:31:38 <Zakim> -Luc
15:31:39 <Zakim> -liza
15:31:39 <Zakim> -astein
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15:31:40 <Zakim> -dauwhe
15:31:41 <Zakim> -fjh
15:31:42 <Zakim> -clapierre
15:31:43 <Zakim> -pkra
15:31:44 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:31:45 <Karen> rrsagent, draft mintues
15:31:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', Karen.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:31:46 <Zakim> -astearns_
15:31:58 <Karen> rrsagent, make minutes
15:31:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html Karen
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15:36:17 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:36:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, +1.734.904.aaii
15:36:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, brady_duga, tmichel, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot
15:39:17 <Zakim> - +1.734.904.aaii
15:40:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:40:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller
15:40:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see murakami, tmichel, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, pkra, plinss, astearns_, liam, dkaplan, trackbot
15:40:57 <ivan> zakim, drop AH_Miller
15:40:57 <Zakim> AH_Miller is being disconnected
15:40:58 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
15:40:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.240.421.aaaa, Ivan, +1.617.439.aabb, AH_Miller, liza, +1.917.207.aacc, +33.1.41.23.aadd, Karen_Myers, dauwhe, Luc, duga, +1.617.858.aaee, +1.408.979.aaff,
15:40:58 <Zakim> ... +1.206.675.aagg, dkaplan, astearns_, pkra, +1.217.300.aahh, astein, murakami, clapierre, tmichel, +1.734.904.aaii, fjh
15:41:06 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
15:41:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:41:06 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:41:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:41:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
15:41:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:41:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-actions.rdf :
15:41:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Thierry to contact PF staff contact to arrange meeting [1]
15:41:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/07-dpub-irc#T15-19-49